Why so much hate for Sony?
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And I'm going to have to bring up Halo 3 got a higher score than PS3 Orange Box and GTA 4 got higher score than PC/360 Orange Box besides Portal also has TF2 as a multiplayer aspect (in the same box)Indigo_Dingo said:
EDIT: Ditto for BioShock NG2 and Mass Effect.
I have both and I defend both, but Sony is very pretentious when they said that people would pay $600 just because it is the PS3. Microsoft also has better exclusives like Gears, Fable 2 (coming soon), Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, Dead Rising, and shit like the craptastic epic that is Halo (shit-load of fuck). Sony has exclusives like Resistance, Metal Gear, and Lair, but they aren't nowhere as big as Microsoft's. I like my PS3, but i have 2 games for it and 10 for the 360.
Junmplion, power to you for admitting you are a sony boy, there is nuthin' wrong with liking a system more than any other one as long as you can admit you have a preference, agree that someone else can reasonably have a different preference, and agree there is bad with the good. Sounds perfectly reasonable, but you would be amazed at how many system fans don't have those qualities.
As for the Sony hate, I am sure you've already noticed in the replies on this thread (not all of which I have gone through) it almost always comes down to only a handful of reasons.
1. Bad PS1 experience that has yet to be forgiven (or similar, I lost a lot of affection for Sony when I bought my PSP on release and didn't get a decent game for the system until two and a half years had passed)
2. Sony is a monolithic corporation, with that comes accusations of poor morals, only caring about making a buck, not giving a crap about fans, stealing (see trophies) etc. same thing happens with the Xbox. Nintendo stays relatively free from it because of their market focus (in reality their corporate machinations are disney level. One of my game design instructors was an EA QA lead, he feared Nintendo).
3. Counter fanboyism. 'nuff said
4. They're popular, the more good stuff there is being said about a company, the more bad stuff comes up as well.
5. Gamers are jaded. This is a community that looks for fault so they can create a funny joke about how much said fault sucks. I generally only read reviews with low scores for that reason. I don't know why good writing and humour cannot be applied to quality, but there it is.
In the end though, for all the hate you see on various forums, 90% of Sony consumers have never seen nor heard any of it, 95% of the population is not really worried about it And 99% of the people who own a PS3 are satisfied with it.
Oh, I don't own a PS3, just finished school, no money.
As for the Sony hate, I am sure you've already noticed in the replies on this thread (not all of which I have gone through) it almost always comes down to only a handful of reasons.
1. Bad PS1 experience that has yet to be forgiven (or similar, I lost a lot of affection for Sony when I bought my PSP on release and didn't get a decent game for the system until two and a half years had passed)
2. Sony is a monolithic corporation, with that comes accusations of poor morals, only caring about making a buck, not giving a crap about fans, stealing (see trophies) etc. same thing happens with the Xbox. Nintendo stays relatively free from it because of their market focus (in reality their corporate machinations are disney level. One of my game design instructors was an EA QA lead, he feared Nintendo).
3. Counter fanboyism. 'nuff said
4. They're popular, the more good stuff there is being said about a company, the more bad stuff comes up as well.
5. Gamers are jaded. This is a community that looks for fault so they can create a funny joke about how much said fault sucks. I generally only read reviews with low scores for that reason. I don't know why good writing and humour cannot be applied to quality, but there it is.
In the end though, for all the hate you see on various forums, 90% of Sony consumers have never seen nor heard any of it, 95% of the population is not really worried about it And 99% of the people who own a PS3 are satisfied with it.
Oh, I don't own a PS3, just finished school, no money.
All right, i typed a small list of replys to some of the ones i felt i wanted to answer but my computer fucked up (that and i saw Speed Racer at the Doller Theatre, i had 3 seziers and an apiphiny)
Okay let's start.
1. Why would the PS3 have a mic? That would make online even more chaotic like Live, i'm glad that most PS3 users don't have a mic other wise i would hear 10 10-year olds with the voice changer at the LOWEST LEVEL and i wouldn't be able to understand a damn word they would say. Plus, nothing comes complete with everything you need, if you buy a flashlight you better buy a pack of batteries. Plus the 360 has an equal amount of items you need to buy (i believe an HD dvd tray and obvoiously LIVE) so there's hardly an argument there.
2. @x434343: there's something called an iPhone. Maybe you've heard of it? Or maybe you've heard of any other damn phone with a touch screen nowadays. Though i'm not sure if it's a device that's rumored to have a touch screen or a new handheld, but i'd admit that if it's a new handheld console then they've copied a bit too much.
Hmmm, I thout the list would be longer than that. Ah yes! In my HUMBLE opinion, i think trophys are better than achievments because you'd actually have a reason to get them because each trophy gets you to a new trophy level and so on an so forth. Plus, when Home comes out (IF it comes out >_>
the trophys will be in public display, and some of them would unlock some cool stuff.
And the whole "Rumble is ttly last-gen!" thing was just a coverup for the legal issues that was happening with Sony and the company that made the Dualshock controllers, and as a result made them eat their words.
Though, my friend has a theory about why Sony is getting this shit from everyone; it's because they are 2nd to do almost everything. Think about it, if the Wii get's let's say "Wiichievments" then would anyone complain? No, they wouldn't because everyone is happy (All consoles have achievment-like awards), no body would say "Well, the Wii is playing catchup!" probably because everyone knows the Wii's limitations. But if Nintendo came out with "Wiichievments" before Sony, nobody would still care because it's Nintendo. Infact there is no doubt in my mind that nobody would care if Nintendo copied off M$. THe MOMENT that Sony would announce their "Trophy" system everyone would say "Oh, Sony's playing catchup! They should stop copying off of everyone!" but nobody would care if it happend to the Wii.
There is no doubt in my mind that that would happen as Sony always get's shit no matter what it is.
But that's enough ranting and conspirasy theory's for me.
Okay let's start.
1. Why would the PS3 have a mic? That would make online even more chaotic like Live, i'm glad that most PS3 users don't have a mic other wise i would hear 10 10-year olds with the voice changer at the LOWEST LEVEL and i wouldn't be able to understand a damn word they would say. Plus, nothing comes complete with everything you need, if you buy a flashlight you better buy a pack of batteries. Plus the 360 has an equal amount of items you need to buy (i believe an HD dvd tray and obvoiously LIVE) so there's hardly an argument there.
2. @x434343: there's something called an iPhone. Maybe you've heard of it? Or maybe you've heard of any other damn phone with a touch screen nowadays. Though i'm not sure if it's a device that's rumored to have a touch screen or a new handheld, but i'd admit that if it's a new handheld console then they've copied a bit too much.
Hmmm, I thout the list would be longer than that. Ah yes! In my HUMBLE opinion, i think trophys are better than achievments because you'd actually have a reason to get them because each trophy gets you to a new trophy level and so on an so forth. Plus, when Home comes out (IF it comes out >_>
the trophys will be in public display, and some of them would unlock some cool stuff.And the whole "Rumble is ttly last-gen!" thing was just a coverup for the legal issues that was happening with Sony and the company that made the Dualshock controllers, and as a result made them eat their words.
Though, my friend has a theory about why Sony is getting this shit from everyone; it's because they are 2nd to do almost everything. Think about it, if the Wii get's let's say "Wiichievments" then would anyone complain? No, they wouldn't because everyone is happy (All consoles have achievment-like awards), no body would say "Well, the Wii is playing catchup!" probably because everyone knows the Wii's limitations. But if Nintendo came out with "Wiichievments" before Sony, nobody would still care because it's Nintendo. Infact there is no doubt in my mind that nobody would care if Nintendo copied off M$. THe MOMENT that Sony would announce their "Trophy" system everyone would say "Oh, Sony's playing catchup! They should stop copying off of everyone!" but nobody would care if it happend to the Wii.
There is no doubt in my mind that that would happen as Sony always get's shit no matter what it is.
But that's enough ranting and conspirasy theory's for me.
no but it's showing that m$ is just as bad if not worse and too many ppl jump on the m$ is great and Sony is bad bandwagon that they forget the person they are cheering for are just as bad if not worseSexual Harassment Panda said:
i'm not saying Sony is totally innocent, they've done some questionable stuff (forcing you to use Sony products, hey it's captialism at it's finest), some mistakes (laptop batteries) and some bad things (the root kit). they do happen to make great products that perform well. i personally know a few ppl who have had to have their 360 replaced, i don't know one person who's had to replace their ps3
everyone just likes to hope on the bash sony bandwagon cause it's popular and cool, i just happen to like a lot of sony stuff and also enjoy playing devil's advocate too
yeah as i said before the gamecube really sobered up Nintendo and gave them the kick to the nuts they deserved. i don't think many ppl remember the "Nintendo seal of approval" stickers on NES games, no sticker, game couldn't be released and there was a HUGE lawsuit over it toomark_n_b said:
Microsoft: I hate you playstation!
Sony: I hate you xbox!
Microsoft: Now about that new VAIO
Sony: We want Vista Ultimate because it is a new high end laptop.
Microsoft: OK.
Sony: I hate you xbox!
Microsoft: Now about that new VAIO
Sony: We want Vista Ultimate because it is a new high end laptop.
Microsoft: OK.
Oh lordy lordy, I try to stay humble I try to stay pure! But oh lordy lordy! I just can't keep hope!mark_n_b said:
I agree with #1- well...all of them. Especially #1, i can't count how many times i've ready posts on IGN or Gamespot that showed peoples experiences with a Sony product and caused them to switch to another brand/console.
The whole fucking industry is built on copycats, Guitar Hero 4 is going to just be "rock band" and even iD software and Valve are bickering about "who made the gravity gun first" - not to mention that Microsoft is going to have that "360-mote" soon and hell, the PS3 is rumored to have one too.MGG=REVIEWS said:
Also, DS sales are better than the Wii so yeah, the Wii sucks now right?
No, there aren't many games coming out for the wii so I think people will be playing Metal Gear Online until they ahve a use for the Wii, unless of course they can fit one or more Wii-ware titles on there. Also, I'm sure everyone is getting sick of Wii Sports and SSBB and UC - then there are the games that everyone says are amazing but are only really worth it if you buy them used.
I can't stand it when people want to defend companies - you think they really care about customers? You think that Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo give a damn about ANYTHING except MONEY? I don't defend either of them. They are all huge corporations who want nothing more than cash (and that's a good thing, because they wouldn't be responsible to their shareholders if they weren't). Stop saying M$, when Sony are just as money hungry and big as Microsoft. What Microsoft is to Americans, Sony is to the Japanese - a incredible bloated electronics giant which is testing consumer patience. Both companies should be given as much flak as possible (that goes for Nintendo as well). Given how much a Playstation 3 costs, maybe I should start calling it the PS$?
I have an Xbox 360, a Wii, and I AM getting a Playstation 3 (mostly for Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII which will come out in about 2 years, if we're lucky).
Originally, all I wanted was a Wii and PS3. The Wii I liked, because it was cheap as chips, and I like the Super Mario series and I was looking forward to No More Heroes and the Zelda series as well. I was going to get a PS3, because I am addicted to Final Fantasy. I had also heard about Resistance: Fall of Man. But as time wore on, I hadn't heard about anything else for the PS3. Uncharted - hell, I didn't hear about that until the reviews were out, and it never caught my attention. Still haven't heard about Warhark. Heavenly Sword, I'd heard good and bad things about, but I just don't like that sort of game. Metal Gear Solid 4 I had heard about, and that's pretty much the reason I'm going to get the PS3 in a few weeks.
I got the Xbox 360 because of Mass Effect, Forza, Halo 3 and Gears of War. It was also cheaper. I was at the store during Christmas last year making a serious consideration - do I want a Playstation 3 which I wouldn't play much until MSG4 and FFXIII, and which would set me back nearly 1,000 Australian Dollars, or an Xbox 360 which would cost quite a bit less, and have titles I was interested in NOW? I got an Xbox 360.
PS3 is (still) too expensive (although I am getting one). Now, it has its good points - it is by far the most powerful console out there. But it sucked at marketing. Sony did very well with the PS2, so well in fact, that it decided that it could take it's market for granted and start behaving like jerks. Nintendo did the same thing, and released the GameCube which bombed (I also have a GameCube, and barely play on the bloody thing). It then decided to treat its customers better. Microsoft, which for many years lived in Sony's shadow, pulled out all stops trying to capture the US market.
Sony, on the other hand, thought that customers were slaves to the Sony brand. It thought that customers would pay their arms and legs for a PS3 ($1000 AUD for a console is a lot for me, I confess that I am pretty poor). I wasn't prepared for that. Now that it's come down in price by $300 here in Australia, I am tempted to get one, and I most likely will.
But the Playstation 3 just doesn't have as many games that I want. It's marketing was dismal. They had a guy going on about Giant Enemy Crabs and riiiiiiiidge raaaaacer. I honestly do not care one jot about Blue Ray, because I like DVDs just fine, and don't really notice that much of a difference between them.
Now, Microsoft are just as money-hungry as Sony, just as uncaring about customers as the next big company, but they have more third party support, their console is cheaper, they did not behave like they "owned" the console market, and they released their console quicker. Sony, thought that it did not have to take consumer interests at heart. They got lax. They got arrogant. They were successful with the PS2, and they thought it would transition to the PS3.
Of course, the same bloody thing is going to happen to Microsoft and Nintendo. Give them a taste of dominance, and the power will go their heads, and they will become gigantic blow-hards.
Count your luck stars, Sony, that Square-Enix still releases Final Fantasy games exclusive to your console. If not for that, I wouldn't be getting your console. Too Expensive! Don't treat Australian Gamers that badly!
I have an Xbox 360, a Wii, and I AM getting a Playstation 3 (mostly for Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII which will come out in about 2 years, if we're lucky).
Originally, all I wanted was a Wii and PS3. The Wii I liked, because it was cheap as chips, and I like the Super Mario series and I was looking forward to No More Heroes and the Zelda series as well. I was going to get a PS3, because I am addicted to Final Fantasy. I had also heard about Resistance: Fall of Man. But as time wore on, I hadn't heard about anything else for the PS3. Uncharted - hell, I didn't hear about that until the reviews were out, and it never caught my attention. Still haven't heard about Warhark. Heavenly Sword, I'd heard good and bad things about, but I just don't like that sort of game. Metal Gear Solid 4 I had heard about, and that's pretty much the reason I'm going to get the PS3 in a few weeks.
I got the Xbox 360 because of Mass Effect, Forza, Halo 3 and Gears of War. It was also cheaper. I was at the store during Christmas last year making a serious consideration - do I want a Playstation 3 which I wouldn't play much until MSG4 and FFXIII, and which would set me back nearly 1,000 Australian Dollars, or an Xbox 360 which would cost quite a bit less, and have titles I was interested in NOW? I got an Xbox 360.
PS3 is (still) too expensive (although I am getting one). Now, it has its good points - it is by far the most powerful console out there. But it sucked at marketing. Sony did very well with the PS2, so well in fact, that it decided that it could take it's market for granted and start behaving like jerks. Nintendo did the same thing, and released the GameCube which bombed (I also have a GameCube, and barely play on the bloody thing). It then decided to treat its customers better. Microsoft, which for many years lived in Sony's shadow, pulled out all stops trying to capture the US market.
Sony, on the other hand, thought that customers were slaves to the Sony brand. It thought that customers would pay their arms and legs for a PS3 ($1000 AUD for a console is a lot for me, I confess that I am pretty poor). I wasn't prepared for that. Now that it's come down in price by $300 here in Australia, I am tempted to get one, and I most likely will.
But the Playstation 3 just doesn't have as many games that I want. It's marketing was dismal. They had a guy going on about Giant Enemy Crabs and riiiiiiiidge raaaaacer. I honestly do not care one jot about Blue Ray, because I like DVDs just fine, and don't really notice that much of a difference between them.
Now, Microsoft are just as money-hungry as Sony, just as uncaring about customers as the next big company, but they have more third party support, their console is cheaper, they did not behave like they "owned" the console market, and they released their console quicker. Sony, thought that it did not have to take consumer interests at heart. They got lax. They got arrogant. They were successful with the PS2, and they thought it would transition to the PS3.
Of course, the same bloody thing is going to happen to Microsoft and Nintendo. Give them a taste of dominance, and the power will go their heads, and they will become gigantic blow-hards.
Count your luck stars, Sony, that Square-Enix still releases Final Fantasy games exclusive to your console. If not for that, I wouldn't be getting your console. Too Expensive! Don't treat Australian Gamers that badly!
All three major consoles are produced by a single, hidden corporation that controls all operations for Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony-- this allows them to drive up the price of their products using illusory "competition".
How do I know this? The same way most of the people in this thread know most of the things they post.
How do I know this? The same way most of the people in this thread know most of the things they post.
@Korolev: Alot of what you say makes sense, very good argument (especially a non-biased one)
Though it would be named the P$3 not PS$ or $ony, and I think the reason why people use M$ instead of MS is because the Microsoft is a larger corporation than Sony (to my knowlege). They have computers, applications, consoles, MP3 players, and a ton of other stuff. Don't get me wrong, Sony has those stuff too but i think because Microsoft has been known for being money driven more than any other company is why it gets the acronym M$.
Though i'm sick of people saying that the PS-ehhem, excuse me the P$3 is too expensive. If anything it's too cheap. There i said it, as it really shouldn't be a secret, the P$3 is UNDER PRICED. Really, the stand alone blu-ray players i've seen cost around $1000, the P$3 costs at the most $600 and the P$3 is ALSO a gaming console and a media storage device (Music and videos) and even an internet browser. Hell if pushed it could even be a griller! Sony has allegedly lost over 3.3 billion because they severely underpriced the P$3, and all of you want Sony to lower the cost even more? Bunch of ungrateful bastards.
Hell, my dad at first thought the P$3 was overpriced for me to buy, but after he found out what it was capable of even he thought it was underpriced (he works for an electronics company, he knows what he talks about.)
But that's enough of me ranting AGAIN. Boy, it feels good to tell the truth/let out some steam.
Though it would be named the P$3 not PS$ or $ony, and I think the reason why people use M$ instead of MS is because the Microsoft is a larger corporation than Sony (to my knowlege). They have computers, applications, consoles, MP3 players, and a ton of other stuff. Don't get me wrong, Sony has those stuff too but i think because Microsoft has been known for being money driven more than any other company is why it gets the acronym M$.
Though i'm sick of people saying that the PS-ehhem, excuse me the P$3 is too expensive. If anything it's too cheap. There i said it, as it really shouldn't be a secret, the P$3 is UNDER PRICED. Really, the stand alone blu-ray players i've seen cost around $1000, the P$3 costs at the most $600 and the P$3 is ALSO a gaming console and a media storage device (Music and videos) and even an internet browser. Hell if pushed it could even be a griller! Sony has allegedly lost over 3.3 billion because they severely underpriced the P$3, and all of you want Sony to lower the cost even more? Bunch of ungrateful bastards.
Hell, my dad at first thought the P$3 was overpriced for me to buy, but after he found out what it was capable of even he thought it was underpriced (he works for an electronics company, he knows what he talks about.)
But that's enough of me ranting AGAIN. Boy, it feels good to tell the truth/let out some steam.