Why so much hate for Sony?

[shatnershaman]

Jumplion

Sony actually is the bigger company (going by stock price) Ranging around the low 50s while Microsoft hangs around the high 20s.

Is that $1000 Aussie dollars? Because there are sub $200 (CAD=~99 USD) blu-ray drives

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3538928&CatId=3634

And Stand Alone players that cost less than $300

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10100059&catid=25174

 

[Jumplion]

Jumplion

Sony actually is the bigger company (going by stock price) Ranging around the low 50s while Microsoft hangs around the high 20s.

Is that $1000 Aussie dollars? Because there are sub $200 (CAD=~99 USD) blu-ray drives

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3538928&CatId=3634

And Stand Alone players that cost less than $300

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10100059&catid=25174

Hmmm, i supossed you have bested me shatnershaman. Well done. I accept defeat...this time. Though i heard that $300 blu-ray one is horrible, but that's just what i've heard.

And no, it's American dollers. Semi-proud American here.

 

[shadow skill]

Stand alone blu-ray drives have ome down quite fast, I hope the blank media follows suit as well.

 

[shatnershaman]

Can't find the Stock prices (those ones are old (Fall 07)
Maybe you can find it in google's mess.

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=TYO:6758

Found Microsoft's though

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=microsoft&hl=en

I couldn't find a CNET or other review (I'm not searching though multiple google pages)

I found a user review though.

http://www.blu-ray.com/players/players.php?id=73&show=userreviews

 

[olicon]

I don't think it's so much the games, or the machine. It's more of Sony's attitude during the first few months of PS3's life. They were very arrogant, and more annoying than anything I have ever seen. Most people shares the same sentiment. I have to confess that during that time, I too hate Sony with a passion. (I was perfectly OK with the PS3 and what not, but the company itself was unbearable.)

 

[shatnershaman]

Stand alone blu-ray drives have ome down quite fast, I hope the blank media follows suit as well.

Not yet it seems.

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10077976&catid=26263

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10084734&catid=26263

Oh dear god this is still up.http://www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com/

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

But the Playstation 3 just doesn't have as many games that I want. It's marketing was dismal. They had a guy going on about Giant Enemy Crabs and riiiiiiiidge raaaaacer. I honestly do not care one jot about Blue Ray, because I like DVDs just fine, and don't really notice that much of a difference between them.

*must, resist, PS3...fanboyism...to...enlighten...the uneducated...must...not try...to offend...*

BAH, I hate those old jokes, they are old because that was years ago when the PS3 actually didn't have good games but now it does so why are you trying to kid yourself into buying one if you are stuck in the past? You clearly have no interest in the PS3 except for MGS4 so at the moment it seems like the PS3 doesn't have much but do some more research, it's 08 now, not 06 it's grown quite a bit, not to mention most things are multiplatform nowadays anyway, getting a system for exclusives just isn't a good idea anymore - especially since most of the exclusives aren't really worth it in the first place, no matter which system it is.

There IS a difference between Blu-Ray and DVD but it's only highly noticable on bigger HDTVs. DVD is nice but it's getting old, it only holds 8.5 gigs of space while Blu-Ray holds 50, giving you more special features on movies, higher picture and sound quality (I assume you don't have a T.V. or Speaker system to take advantage of it though) - and less of that "widescreen edition" or "double sided special edition" bullshit, one blu-ray disc has all, and that's final, no need for 8 DVDs of the same movie hoping that it will look good on widescreen or not.

I just hope Blu-Ray stops looking like a luxury to people, DVD sucks, no one wants to admit it yet. - but whatever, if people can put up with Lost Odyssey Spanning FOUR FUCKING DVD'S then so be it. Quantity > Quality seems to be the standard now. *see "Nintendo Wii"*

 

[shatnershaman]

There IS a difference between Blu-Ray and DVD but it's only highly noticable on bigger HDTVs. DVD is nice but it's getting old, it only holds 8.5 gigs of space while Blu-Ray holds 50, giving you more special features on movies, higher picture and sound quality (I assume you don't have a T.V. or Speaker system to take advantage of it though) - and less of that "widescreen edition" or "double sided special edition" bullshit, one blu-ray disc has all, and that's final, no need for 8 DVDs of the same movie hoping that it will look good on widescreen or not.

I just hope Blu-Ray stops looking like a luxury to people, DVD sucks, no one wants to admit it yet. - but whatever, if people can put up with Lost Odyssey Spanning FOUR FUCKING DVD'S then whatever.

50/8.5=5.88

So If it is the same price ratio as DVD Blu-ray should cost 5.88 times more (Blank Media)

Yet ONE Disc is 25-29 for a 25 GB Or the lovely deal of 79.99 for a dual layer (50GB one)
Yet I can get 15 Dual layer DVDs for $20

(Single Layer BRD http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10077976&catid=26263)
(Dual Layer BRD http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10084734&catid=26263)
(Dual layer DVDs http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10074293&catid=20032)

So you pay 79.99 for that ultimate 50GB Disc. And $20 for 127.5 GB in dual layer DVDs. Thats a very high premium on 1 disc convenience that holds less than half the CHEAPER 15 DL-DVDs do.

EDIT: WTF I looked at the picture and the 79.99 disc isn't even dual layer what a rip off.
You have copy and paste the link other wise it won't work.

 

[Jumplion]

50/8.5=5.88

So If it is the same price ratio as DVD Blu-ray should cost 5.88 times more (Blank Media)

Yet ONE Disc is 25-29 for a 25 GB Or the lovely deal of 79.99 for a dual layer (50GB one)
Yet I can get 15 Dual layer DVDs for $20

(Single Layer BRD http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10077976&catid=26263)
(Dual Layer BRDhttp://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10084734&catid=26263)
(Dual layer DVDs http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10074293&catid=20032)

So you pay 79.99 for that ultimate 50GB Disc. And $20 for 127.5 GB in dual layer DVDs. Thats a very high premium on 1 disc convenience that holds less than half the CHEAPER 15 DL-DVDs do.

I don't think it's in question of which one is cheaper, probably which one is more convinient for the user and the player (though i probably completely contradicted myself there) And Blu-ray eliminates the hassle for switching discs so that's a plus.

BTW, non of the links work for me, find some new ones.
EDIT: Nvm. But this is turning into more of a Format War rather than a Console War. INteresting considering the Format War is supposedly over and that Blu-Ray is the winner.

 

[shatnershaman]

I don't think it's in question of which one is cheaper, probably which one is more convinient for the user and the player (though i probably completely contradicted myself there) And Blu-ray eliminates the hassle for switching discs so that's a plus.

So Rolls-Royce is better than the VW beetle because it is more convenient (Umbrellas,TVs,Etc) yet the sales still show the beetle and DVD vastly out sell the more expensive option.

 

[Jumplion]

I don't think it's in question of which one is cheaper, probably which one is more convinient for the user and the player (though i probably completely contradicted myself there) And Blu-ray eliminates the hassle for switching discs so that's a plus.

So Rolls-Royce is better than the VW beetle because it is more convenient (Umbrellas,TVs,Etc) yet the sales still show the beetle and DVD vastly out sell the more expensive option.

as i said, i probably completely contradicted myself.

 

[shatnershaman]

I don't think it's in question of which one is cheaper, probably which one is more convinient for the user and the player (though i probably completely contradicted myself there) And Blu-ray eliminates the hassle for switching discs so that's a plus.

So Rolls-Royce is better than the VW beetle because it is more convenient (Umbrellas,TVs,Etc) yet the sales still show the beetle and DVD vastly out sell the more expensive option.

as i said, i probably completely contradicted myself.

This reminds me of those Harmony remotes I was looking at a few years ago.

 

[Xhumed]

I never liked Sony, but that was probably because i was raised on Sega consoles (master system II for my 7th birthday, a megadrive about 5 years later.) I genuinely wanted the Saturn to succeed, and even then i could see that Sony were pumping out piles of dross to make a quick buck or a million off hapless punters, and Sega weren't marketing very well and... well we know what happened. Same with the Dreamcast. But even though that was my initial motivation, I still dislike today the tactic of flooding the market with awful, awful games, with a few good ones interspersed, like the first two PS1 and PS2 did, and now Sony seem to have got arrogant enough, like Nintendo, to feel confident shitting all over their fans. Clamping down on exports in PAL countries, so Europeans can't play games released in japan caused a big stink a few years back.

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

I don't think it's in question of which one is cheaper, probably which one is more convinient for the user and the player (though i probably completely contradicted myself there) And Blu-ray eliminates the hassle for switching discs so that's a plus.

So Rolls-Royce is better than the VW beetle because it is more convenient (Umbrellas,TVs,Etc) yet the sales still show the beetle and DVD vastly out sell the more expensive option.

What's your point? That sales decide what is better or worse - or that people can't afford expensive things?

 

[shatnershaman]

I don't think it's in question of which one is cheaper, probably which one is more convinient for the user and the player (though i probably completely contradicted myself there) And Blu-ray eliminates the hassle for switching discs so that's a plus.

So Rolls-Royce is better than the VW beetle because it is more convenient (Umbrellas,TVs,Etc) yet the sales still show the beetle and DVD vastly out sell the more expensive option.

What's your point? That sales decide what is better or worse - or that people can't afford expensive things?

Sales-Yes you then the wii is the best console and I do think it is for the average person. Blu-ray is better if you want the best picture but DVD is fine for most, at least at current prices.

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

OK well that's a little ridiculous though, just because the majority thinks something is better doesn't mean it actually is. Remember when almost all of Germany thought Hitler was awesome? Popularity of [something] =/= Quality of [something]

The wii sells because it's cheaper and it's fun, not because it's "the best" - Blu-Ray doesn't sell as much as DVD because not everyone wants to convert to a Blu-Ray player just yet, it doesn't make Blu-Ray suck, it's just less popular. Besides, this reminds me of DVD vs. VHS - the majority of people thought there was almost no difference between DVD and VHS, and that "VHS was just fine" - eventually people came around and now DVD is the format of choice.

Remember, you get what you pay for, I'd gladly take a Rolls Royce over a VW bug, I don't care if everyone else thinks it's cute or something, when you compare the two the Royce wins. If you compare their prices, obviously the shittier product will cost less - is that a good thing though? Just because it cost less doesn't automatically make it better, a used junker will cost less than a safer and reliable car that isn't as old - it will cost more but the reliability is obviously not going to be as good and even if you try and drive safely, that car can fuck up on you a lot quicker than a newer one that hasn't been used as much - not to mention that it's parts may be harder to find or that fixing it will be a lot tougher since a junker has so many more problems than a newer (but more expensive) car that once you fix one problem you just find another.

 

[shatnershaman]

OK well that's a little ridiculous though, just because the majority thinks something is better doesn't mean it actually is. Remember when almost all of Germany thought Hitler was awesome? Popularity of [something] =/= Quality of [something]

The wii sells because it's cheaper and it's fun, not because it's "the best" - Blu-Ray doesn't sell as much as DVD because not everyone wants to convert to a Blu-Ray player just yet, it doesn't make Blu-Ray suck, it's just less popular. Besides, this reminds me of DVD vs. VHS - the majority of people thought there was almost no difference between DVD and VHS, and that "VHS was just fine" - eventually people came around and now DVD is the format of choice.

Remember, you get what you pay for, I'd gladly take a Rolls Royce over a VW bug, I don't care if everyone else thinks it's cute or something, when you compare the two the Royce wins. If you compare their prices, obviously the shittier product will cost less - is that a good thing though? Just because it cost less doesn't automatically make it better, a used junker will cost less than a safer and reliable car that isn't as old - it will cost more but the reliability is obviously not going to be as good and even if you try and drive safely, that car can fuck up on you a lot quicker than a newer one that hasn't been used as much - not to mention that it's parts may be harder to find or that fixing it will be a lot tougher since a junker has so many more problems than a newer (but more expensive) car that once you fix one problem you just find another.

Sure quality matters (beetle is reliable DVD is fine CFL are worth it) but blu-ray isn't as big a leap as VHS to DVD. Also the "shittier" product (DVD) runs at much faster speeds than Blu-ray.

EDIT: Fine Blu-ray is the better product (except in read/write speeds and movie selection) but DVD is far better Value. You can get $500 Headphones, how much better are they than the $250 yes but not by much leading the $250 to be the better overall product (I'm looking at you Shure).

 

[hippo24]

Sony is the big boy on the market, it boasts it's power tenacity and technical superiority to all other game systems, So it's natural that everyone hates the winner and roots for the underdog.

but in reality it's not being but to it's potential....but im a PC gamer so what the heck do i know

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

EDIT: Nevermind, it seems like we both got each others points so I decided to take out the text wall.

Just hope you see this before you reply >_>

 

[Gamer137]

Why do I dislike Sony?

Well for starters, I think the PS3 is a joke. It draws away to many developers, so it has very few exclusvies I want(not enough to justify $500.) Almost any game coming out this generation will atleast be on the 360 or Wii or both. Plus their is no reason why a PS3 game cant be on the 360 unless they have extra content to fill the entire blue-ray disc, but I have no problem changing dics mid-game. At least the Wii exclusives can be justified. I do not think the Wiimote is just a gimmick. The Wii can play traditional games like Metroid 3, as well as nontraditional games like Trauma Center.

I also have a feeling that Sony is pretty arrogant with their public statements. I know most companies are, but good companies have the products to back them up slightly. For example, I dont see why Sony keeps making claims that blue-ray is the "next advance". Yes it is, but people like me who have normal TVs dont give a crap about HD.