Why so much PC gamer hate recently?

[BENZOOKA]

In a lot of ways, it's just that clash of what happened when two big PC genres (FPS and RPG) started switching over to consoles. PC gamers are justifiably annoyed that they're becoming an after-thought and bemoaning the various ways the games have been changed for the console.

I hesitate to use the term "dumbing down", but when auto-aim schemes returned (after being phased out shortly after mouselook was introduced), you have that really easy in to point out how much better these games used to be.

And I think you also have some of that console rivalry in there as well. Console fans have long been taking pot-shots at one another, then suddenly come these PC gamers, already annoyed that their favorite genres are being altered for the console crowd, who know have to deal with people who naturally talk smack about each other systems and not taking it in the proper spirit. Their response is to provide a long list of ways in which PC gaming is superior, which has the bad fortune of being mostly right (PCs are capable of better graphics and the keyboard/mouse control scheme is extremely good for RPGs and FPSs).

So clash of gaming cultures plus the introduction of more user-friendly elements combined to create the idea of the PC Elitist.

But, frankly, seeing the way the wind is blowing. Console fans might be facing their own "Console Gaming Is Dead" attitude in the not too distant future. It's pretty much accepted that the next console generation might be the last, casual gaming is booming, and the cost of AAA games is so high that fewer and fewer studios can afford the expense. Might have Zynga fans bitching about Console Elitists in the not too distant future.

I do agree. That's very well put!


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[ZombieGenesis]

One or two times a year?
This subject comes up once or twice a week.

 

[linwolf]

Because a lot of console games get insecure when you mention that the PC support your needs the best and then they have to call you an elitists.

Im sorry me and my family don`t have $1200 in disposable income hanging around under the couch, so I had to get a PS3. Im sorry that some of us can`t afford to get a new flagship GPU that costs as much as a console every other year.

PC`s attract a certain type of person, for the rest of us there are consoles. I would build a PC myself, but I don`t have the money, and getting employed at the ripe old age of 14 is nigh near impossible. And I think this would all go smoothly if it weren`t for developers trying to port some games onto platforms they should have never been ported too.

And then come the asses that blame the consumer (not the publisher for making bad decisions on how to handle a game or a port) for making a game that doesn`t meet expectations for the "PC MASTER RACE" croud.

Just gonna shoot down you post
1. Where the hell did I say that you needed $1200, You can get a perfect good PC for about $400-$500 but no just keep spreading these lies.
2. I haven't upgrade my PC in three years an it runs everything on maximum.
3. What kind of person, people that players on PC for very diverse reason, some because they like RTS, other for the mods, some for the lower price on games, there are some that just prefer keyboard mouse and a lot of other reason.
4. There are nothing special about being a PC gamer other than you own a PC.
5.Non should make do if a game doesn't meet your expectations, if a game is a let down voice you complains, if enough people have the same complains the developer might even listen to you. This have nothing to do with being a PC or console gamer.

 

[Tony2077]

it isnt that we hate PC gamers, I own both a Wii and a 360, but recently been getting my PC gaming on almost exclusively [damn 360 already having Saints Row 2 and RDR!], but we hate the elitists, the ones who say consoles are for kids, Consoles are weak, Consoles = casual, the ones you know if you met in real life you would end up face-punching them because they just keep on claiming how superior the PC is, and at the even slightest of a hint of criticism they cry so hard Emo's tell them to toughen the fuck up.

We dont hate PC gamers, we hate PC Elitists.


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i agree whole heartily. i don't mind some pc gamers i am one after all but I'm also a console gamer so i can see both sides pov and how sometimes it nothing more then borderline ignorance.

 

[AnAngryMoose]

I know this topic has been posted 1-2 times per year...but honestly, i've been posting in march mayhem and every round theres some post, "escapist is mostly pc gamer this, escpaist is biased etc.."
I'm a pc gamer, but also i own consoles ps3, wii etc...

So why the hate ?

When people insult PC gamers, what they're talking about 99% of the time are PC elitists. Those who always shout "CONSOLIZED" and talk about how stupid Console Gamers are because they don't play Europa Universalis or Planescape: Torment or something. Or because they like Mass Effect 2 over the older BioWare titles. They deserve hate because of how condescending they get.

I'm a console gamer and I adore Europa Universalis III. They can shove their elitism up their arses.

 

[Carlston]

It's some odd and pathetic attempt to label someone.

But same time soon as it's posted that person just becomes a "cosole" elitist, which is ok, cause some how having a pc makes you rich or something so the bad guy.

 

[EvilRoy]

Personally, as far as things like saying oh I dunno 'PC gaming is dead' go, its really more a matter of perception and its hard to disagree with. I mean really, it makes more sense to have an item specifically dedicated to playing video games on, because having a single piece of hardware to design for and around is cheaper and easier. And at one point or another, maybe there will exist a phone that average bobs will be able to create humouresque videos on as mediums for their reviews or discussions.

But as an engineer I can emphatically tell you that I will always need a PC, or at least a tablet with a keyboard and mouse, to be able to do my job. And as long as engineers and members of other professions like accountants programmers, technicians and drafters continue to exist, we are going to need something to do on them instead of work.

 

[Flames66]

I know this topic has been posted 1-2 times per year...but honestly, i've been posting in march mayhem and every round theres some post, "escapist is mostly pc gamer this, escpaist is biased etc.."
I'm a pc gamer, but also i own consoles ps3, wii etc...

So why the hate ?

That's not hate, it's just stating an opinion. Hate would be more along the lines of "The Escapist is mostly PC gamers Who Are all Elitist Know it alls!"

 

[BlackWidower]

Pretentious people are fucking annoying regardless of their interests. It just happens that the escapist is full of pretentious people who happen to be PC gamers.

OH! So that's why I like this site so much.

 

[GotMalkAvian]

Right now, most of the PC gamer hate is because of DAII. PC gamers are throwing a huge hissy fit over the changes that BioWare made from the first game, essentially claiming that BioWare intentionally screwed them out of a game. Honestly, if I was a PC gamer, I'd just be glad that so many console games are seeing PC release these days; back when I still had a decent gaming PC, it seemed that every big PC release saw a console port, but nothing ever went the other way.

 

[TiefBlau]

The simple answer is because MovieBob brought it up.

 

[Sir_Auron_the_Badass]

Due to the fact that not all PCs are made the same, those that can afford a gaming computer are more likely to feel "holier than thou" because they can play at max settings and very minimal lag with the added benefits they already get with PC. Consoles on the other hand, are more or less made the same; all PS3s can play all PS3 games, all 360s can play all 360 games, etc. no problem because they have a set limitation that the developers couldn't surpass. Plus, consoles have always been much more affordable than PCs made primarily for games. Developers for PC games don't have that graphical/content limitation because they know that no matter what they put out, gaming PCs will be able to handle them at near-to or max settings. The downside is that because most people are going to only have general, non-game-inclined PCs, they won't be able to enjoy it near as much as they could be, so if said game comes out for consoles as well, they will probably get that. This is kinda where PC elitists get bitchy, as they see these people as "settling for less", plus, if games are made for both, the developers won't be as the dedication to making it as good as possible will be split between what it's all on.

Personally, though, I see myself as a more of a console gamer because the controller feels more natural, and because console button uses are pretty universal, instead of having to go through an entirely different macro setup for every different game. I do however enjoy playing a fair bit of PC games (huge Blizzard fan here, and they solely make games for PC), but with my previous laptop it got to the point where my PC constantly got extremely high latency and extremely low frame-rate, and often crashed, all while playing at absolute minimum settings, and it wasn't even an old computer in the first place. This new one isn't a whole lot better in terms of gaming either, so I don't get as near as much enjoyment playing these types of games in the first place.

 

[vxicepickxv]

I think I'm going to have to make a picture. I'm not sure if it's going to be a love it all picture, or a hate me because I have money picture. DS, PSP, Laptop, Desktop, 360, PS3 and Wii, all in one.

 

[Ushiromiya Battler]

Right now, most of the PC gamer hate is because of DAII. PC gamers are throwing a huge hissy fit over the changes that BioWare made from the first game, essentially claiming that BioWare intentionally screwed them out of a game. Honestly, if I was a PC gamer, I'd just be glad that so many console games are seeing PC release these days; back when I still had a decent gaming PC, it seemed that every big PC release saw a console port, but nothing ever went the other way.

Dude, Bioware did screw us Pc gamers over...
With Origins they gave us a hope, that we might once again see Biowares greatness that happened in the 90ths. Origins is a Pc game all the way, and so we expected DA2 to be a Pc game.. What we got was a game restricted by the consoles and EA... That's why Pc gamers rage about Bioware (at least what i think they rage about, from all the countless posts I've read)

Oh and btw... I play both consoles and Pc... I'm just disappoint that I can't play epic challenging RPG's anymore...
I still love DA2 though, but not as an rpg or a Bioware game...

 

[octafish]

I had an interesting experience yesterday, I was on a job taking a photo of a local environmental campaigner. When I noticed he had a recumbent cycle (I know, a big leap that a grassroots greenie would have a recumbent, right?), we got talking about it. He built it himself as most do, then he said, as I have so often heard before, that it was a far superior way of cycling.

Now I'm not a huge cyclist or anything, but I always looked down in recumbent cyclists (ha ha) as smug, nerdy, ridiculous, weirdos, who didn't have a firm grip on reality. Anyway I had time to spare, and he offered me a go on his bike. It was a revelation, it isn't as nimble as a normal bike of course but it was so easy to drive/ride and it was incredibly comfortable. If I could bike commute to work (I need to drive my own car to jobs all day) I would probably think about getting/building myself a recumbent.

I think PC Gamers are recumbent cyclists.

There is always a little bit of smugness about us because we "know" we have a superior machine, especially as the mainstream just don't "get it". We also tend to forget that the things we take for granted like building our own machines, sourcing good deals for parts, overclocking, troubleshooting, and delving into the deeper intricacies of an OS are just not something that the mainstream think about, or think they can do. It makes us think less of them, because that is as integral to our gaming experience as breathing, and becomes second nature yet they find it too hard or incomprehensible.

There is also the legacy of PC Gaming, we remember those awesome games of the past that we love and we don't see anything as intricate or as complex being produced by the large studios. We blame the consoles, when really we should blame parenting and the mass market. I'll get into parenting another time but basically, parents don't want their kids to fail and games follow that trend. Thank goodness for Dwarf Fortress (Uh oh PC elitism). That's a generalisation of course but one I see an overall trend towards. The mass market which of course is driven by the consoles, want to produce games that everyone will like, that everyone can play and that everyone can beat, which ends up giving us samey, non-challenging, non-complex games that can be picked up and played by a slighty dim 12 year old. Because they are aiming for the lowest common denominator to maximise their potential market. The games produced are more suited to the limitations of the console hardware and controllers than the almost limited potential of the PC. This stings in particular because quite a few PC gamers are also PC enthusiasts, who have PC related G.A.S. [footnote=Gear Acquisition Syndrome, where we don't have to upgrade our machines but we do because we like shiny and powerful things] I don't blame consoles for this trend, I blame the money men who drive the industry, and their lack of faith in the ability of gamers to think and learn.

Wow that was a long rant, sorry.

 

[lacktheknack]

I know this topic has been posted 1-2 times per year...but honestly, i've been posting in march mayhem and every round theres some post, "escapist is mostly pc gamer this, escpaist is biased etc.."
I'm a pc gamer, but also i own consoles ps3, wii etc...

So why the hate ?

When people insult PC gamers, what they're talking about 99% of the time are PC elitists. Those who always shout "CONSOLIZED" and talk about how stupid Console Gamers are because they don't play Europa Universalis or Planescape: Torment or something. Or because they like Mass Effect 2 over the older BioWare titles. They deserve hate because of how condescending they get.

So we should meet generalizations with generalizations.

That makes so much sense it hurts my ass.

Jerks are jerks = Generalization now?

Okay...

Ignore him. I'm pretty sure he's trying to get banned at this point.

 

[Balobo]

Because a lot of console games get insecure when you mention that the PC support your needs the best and then they have to call you an elitists.

Im sorry me and my family don`t have $1200 in disposable income hanging around under the couch, so I had to get a PS3. Im sorry that some of us can`t afford to get a new flagship GPU that costs as much as a console every other year.

PC`s attract a certain type of person, for the rest of us there are consoles. I would build a PC myself, but I don`t have the money, and getting employed at the ripe old age of 14 is nigh near impossible. And I think this would all go smoothly if it weren`t for developers trying to port some games onto platforms they should have never been ported too.

And then come the asses that blame the consumer (not the publisher for making bad decisions on how to handle a game or a port) for making a game that doesn`t meet expectations for the "PC MASTER RACE" croud.

Just gonna shoot down you post
1. Where the hell did I say that you needed $1200, You can get a perfect good PC for about $400-$500 but no just keep spreading these lies.
2. I haven't upgrade my PC in three years an it runs everything on maximum.
3. What kind of person, people that players on PC for very diverse reason, some because they like RTS, other for the mods, some for the lower price on games, there are some that just prefer keyboard mouse and a lot of other reason.
4. There are nothing special about being a PC gamer other than you own a PC.
5.Non should make do if a game doesn't meet your expectations, if a game is a let down voice you complains, if enough people have the same complains the developer might even listen to you. This have nothing to do with being a PC or console gamer.

1. A gaming PC. Not some shit eMachines pc. Ive been trying builds on newegg and have gotten it down to $600 for a decent system, but thats without OS, Moniter, Mouse, or Speakers/headset (Not really needed.) So yes I could build a cheap/decent rig, but I`d have to fire up uTorrent and hit up TPB for Win7.
2. That depends what your trying to run, and at what resoultion. Also if you want DX11 support.
3. I`d honestly RATHER play on a PC. The STALKER mod community is what first enticed me to look into building a PC, and now it`s my outright goal.
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5. No good comes out of bitching to your fellow gamers.

1. My PC costs like 450 dollars and I run everything maxed out. wat
2. Yes it does depend on what you want to run. But everything I want to run runs fine at max settings (most of the time).
3. Then switch.
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5. Then stop.