Why so much PC gamer hate recently?

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JFrog84

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I own a ps3, wii and a medium spec pc and if I want to play a game where I can loose my self completely I always turn to the pc, I just can't take consoles serriously enough. Don't get me wrong I love playing on my ps3 and can have hours of fun, but, if you can learn to use a mouse and keyboard just like you learnt to use a controller then nothing comes close. To understand what I mean let me take you back to when I was growing up, to the days of windows 95/98 when there was only one choice for serious gaming, the pc. When you had games that defined genres and paved the way for what we have now, games like C&C, Total Anhiliation, Doom, might and magic, the origional Call of Duty. These games where above and beyond anything that the consoles could manage, and as such consoles were always more of a 'casual' thing. At this point most serious developers were making games for the pc and not consoles. To me this should still be true, the change over happened not because of cost of pc's (which were far more expensive then) or a lack of a market but because of clever marketing from sony with the launch of the playstation, that was the begining of the end for mainstream pc gaming. And at the risk of being unpopular with non pc gamers, console games to a certain point still have this 'casual' edge to them if you compare say a modern FPS to its older cousin the legnth and difficulty are both significantly less than in the origional. To back up what I'm saying I'll give you a couple of examples. To start, scince I've mentioned it already I'll go with Call of Duty, if you compare playing the origional two in the series with the later four ( I've never played big red one) playing the main campaign on normal is the same as hard on the later episodes, also the legnth is about a quater of the origional. For my next example I'll move to RTS, I play most games on hard but there are certain games (most of which are only found on pc) where the ai own me if I put the difficulty up and I like this kind of challenge, that is what real gaming is to me.

Another point I want to touch on is that people are starting to talk about how one day maybe we will have a time where we don't have separate platforms for games and how much better that will be, but we've already had that time and have left it for a one where we all have lots of seperate devices to do what one used to. I have a friend who has an ipod for listening to music, an iphone for checking email and browsing the web, an xbox 360 for playing games, an ipad for checking email and browsing the web and a laptop for the same and doing a bit of work. Me I have a pc that does it all, yes I understand the benifit of portable devices but do you take them all with you everytime you leave the house? if not then they loose their benifit.

To close, I never meant this to turn into a rant although I'm aware that at times it may seem like it. If you feel that I'm acting like a pc elitist, thats because I am. Not because I'm better than you or that I have more money but because pc's will always have an advantage over a console.
 

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I used to be a PC gamer but switched to console because when all's said and done consoles are better. There I said it. It's not stupid or lazy to prefer consoles any more than it's stupid or lazy to prefer driving a car to taking a ten mile hike. If you can be bothered to fuck about with a PC then yes it's better in every way and good for you, but I'm afraid I have a life so I gave up on that.

My PC still runs fine and use it for a few things but despite the fact that I bought it for gaming purposes thanks to a variety of updates it no longer runs most of the games I originally played on it, and I'm a retro-gaming guy, hence my abandonment. I'm sure that if I could be bothered to unravel the puzzle that is the PC that I would be greatly rewarded for doing so but the thing is I have better things to do with my time and if you don't and behaving smug and superior makes you feel better about it then hurray for you. If I had another use for my PC then maybe I'd look into it but when it comes to gaming I don't see how I'm better off taking the least efficient method to do so.

Having said that if I had the money I'd more than likely splash out on a new PC and revert to my old ways rather than expand my console collection. But who are we kidding, it'll all be the same thing sooner or later, one big device that incorporates convenience and power and whatever the hell else it is we really want and all of this will be irrelevant. Then we can go back to arguing which manufacturer is better like the good old PS2 versus Xbox days (yes I'm aware that probably still happens, I'm just making a point).
 

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octafish said:
I think PC Gamers are recumbent cyclists.
Naw, PC Gamers tend to be like petrolheads, looking in askance at people who just use their car as nothing more than something to get from A to B and are fine with that as long as it's working.

A bunch of my fam are petrolheads (mad RatRodders, to be precise) and their blather about engine timings and gear ratios and low end torque Vs high end torque is no different to the convos I have with other hardware enthusiasts. We enjoy tinkering with and discussing the arcana of our hobby.

I think the big problem is that there's still the mindset that you have to be a hardware enthusiast to be a PC gamer. It's just not necessary these days to be both just to get an enjoyable PC gaming experience (it still helps but it's not essential).
 

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JFrog84 said:
For my next example I'll move to RTS, I play most games on hard but there are certain games (most of which are only found on pc) where the ai own me if I put the difficulty up and I like this kind of challenge, that is what real gaming is to me.
More RAM and processing power available for complex AI coding on PCs means increased opportunity for challenging AI. I say 'opportunity' because as complexity of AI increase so does unpredictablity so it's a balancing act.
 

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Hi. I'm a lifelong PC gamer. I also have several consoles and appreciate most types of games across every medium possible. The more the merrier. Also, I love Dragon Age 2. I also loved Dragon Age Origins. I'm old enough to recall the old Black isle Baldur's Gate games and dislike them from the very moment they came out. I dislike the Infinity Engine and always have.

I also enjoy long walks on the beach.

What I'm getting at here is that generalizations are pointless. People just need to get over themselves and play good games.
 

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Magefeanor said:
Oh and btw... I play both consoles and Pc... I'm just disappoint that I can't play epic challenging RPG's anymore...
I still love DA2 though, but not as an rpg or a Bioware game...
Not an RPG or a BioWare game? Huh? I'll admit that I'm playing entirely on console, but are we both looking at the same game here?

RPG:
- Plot driven by player choices
- Player customizes Hawke's appearance, gear, skills, and talents
- Hawke gains experience and levels up through the game
- Player can choose their party and level up party members' skills and talents, as well

BioWare:
- RPG
- Mostly serious storyline with some well-written humor thrown in
- Diverse cast of party members including one who's just full of hate
- Romantic subplots with party members culminating in a love scene. I know they don't go all the way back through BioWare's history, but the infamous love scenes have been a part of every BioWare game since, what, Jade Empire?

Granted, DAII doesn't harken back to the glory days of Baldur's Gate nearly as much as the first game, but it does share a lot in common with Mass Effect 2, and that seems to be the way that the company is going design-wise.
 

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RhombusHatesYou said:
More Fun To Compute said:
It's the cycle of hatred. I believe that it was explained in the Lion King or some other well known work of philosophy.
Mein Kampf? Beyond Good and Evil?
If you establish two separate groups like console gamer and PC gamer then humans who identify with these groups are bound to act like animals and confront each other, imagining that some sort of advantage or territory can be gained from doing so. It's simple animal behaviour, and silly.
 

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More Fun To Compute said:
RhombusHatesYou said:
More Fun To Compute said:
It's the cycle of hatred. I believe that it was explained in the Lion King or some other well known work of philosophy.
Mein Kampf? Beyond Good and Evil?
If you establish two separate groups like console gamer and PC gamer then humans who identify with these groups are bound to act like animals and confront each other, imagining that some sort of advantage or territory can be gained from doing so. It's simple animal behaviour, and silly.
I see it more as two siblings fighting for the attention of their parents...
 

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RhombusHatesYou said:
I see it more as two siblings fighting for the attention of their parents...
You see game developers as parental figures? Interesting, lay down on the couch and tell me more.
 

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RhombusHatesYou said:
Chris Avellone has done for me than my parents ever did *sob*
So sometimes you wish that he would take you into his strong capable arms and comfort you when you are feeling that your parents love your sibling more than you? And what would you do then if he confided in you that he really enjoyed making action games for the xbox more than hardcore PC games?
 

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More Fun To Compute said:
RhombusHatesYou said:
Chris Avellone has done for me than my parents ever did *sob*
So sometimes you wish that he would take you into his strong capable arms and comfort you when you are feeling that your parents love your sibling more than you?
Hey, this isn't a psychologist's office, this is a laundromat!

And what would you do then if he confided in you that he really enjoyed making action games for the xbox more than hardcore PC games?
Cut his head off and wear it as a hat. Love is a terrible and violent thing.
 

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Because PC has mods that players create to help fix game breaking bugs while console gamers are stuck with them.

Oh and TF2, that too.
 

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GotMalkAvian said:
Magefeanor said:
Oh and btw... I play both consoles and Pc... I'm just disappoint that I can't play epic challenging RPG's anymore...
I still love DA2 though, but not as an rpg or a Bioware game...
Not an RPG or a BioWare game? Huh? I'll admit that I'm playing entirely on console, but are we both looking at the same game here?

RPG:
- Plot driven by player choices
- Player customizes Hawke's appearance, gear, skills, and talents
- Hawke gains experience and levels up through the game
- Player can choose their party and level up party members' skills and talents, as well

BioWare:
- RPG
- Mostly serious storyline with some well-written humor thrown in
- Diverse cast of party members including one who's just full of hate
- Romantic subplots with party members culminating in a love scene. I know they don't go all the way back through BioWare's history, but the infamous love scenes have been a part of every BioWare game since, what, Jade Empire?

Granted, DAII doesn't harken back to the glory days of Baldur's Gate nearly as much as the first game, but it does share a lot in common with Mass E
ffect 2, and that seems to be the way that the company is going design-wise.
Uuuuh... I didn't say it wasn't a Bioware game or an RPG, I just expressed my opinion.
Which is: I don't like DA2 as a Bioware game or an RPG, but I still like it :p
Apart from that I agree with your points. :D
 

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Mr. Omega said:
For all the recent problems? Blame Moviebob.

SomethingAmazing said:
gustcq said:
I know this topic has been posted 1-2 times per year...but honestly, i've been posting in march mayhem and every round theres some post, "escapist is mostly pc gamer this, escpaist is biased etc.."
I'm a pc gamer, but also i own consoles ps3, wii etc...

So why the hate ? :D
When people insult PC gamers, what they're talking about 99% of the time are PC elitists. Those who always shout "CONSOLIZED" and talk about how stupid Console Gamers are because they don't play Europa Universalis or Planescape: Torment or something. Or because they like Mass Effect 2 over the older BioWare titles. They deserve hate because of how condescending they get.
What he said. The problem is that it's March. People tend to get nasty around this time on this site. And PC Elitists are already an extremely nasty bunch, so imagine them having people feed into their petty little flamewars... *shudders*

Still, this site DOES have a lot of PC fanboys. And like I said, this time of year, they go from PC fans to members of the PC Master Race. Normally sane PC gamers just completely lose their mind...
hahahaha....does pc gamer still have a soul? i mean when u waste big years of your life playing WoW, EVE, FF XI? I don't have anything against console players but come on....never shall ya compare example FF 14 (which personally sucked b...!) on PS3 to they awesomeness of a great built PC on a 40 inch samsumg LED!
 

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Magefeanor said:
GotMalkAvian said:
Magefeanor said:
Oh and btw... I play both consoles and Pc... I'm just disappoint that I can't play epic challenging RPG's anymore...
I still love DA2 though, but not as an rpg or a Bioware game...
Not an RPG or a BioWare game? Huh? I'll admit that I'm playing entirely on console, but are we both looking at the same game here?

RPG:
- Plot driven by player choices
- Player customizes Hawke's appearance, gear, skills, and talents
- Hawke gains experience and levels up through the game
- Player can choose their party and level up party members' skills and talents, as well

BioWare:
- RPG
- Mostly serious storyline with some well-written humor thrown in
- Diverse cast of party members including one who's just full of hate
- Romantic subplots with party members culminating in a love scene. I know they don't go all the way back through BioWare's history, but the infamous love scenes have been a part of every BioWare game since, what, Jade Empire?

Granted, DAII doesn't harken back to the glory days of Baldur's Gate nearly as much as the first game, but it does share a lot in common with Mass E
ffect 2, and that seems to be the way that the company is going design-wise.
Uuuuh... I didn't say it wasn't a Bioware game or an RPG, I just expressed my opinion.
Which is: I don't like DA2 as a Bioware game or an RPG, but I still like it :p
Apart from that I agree with your points. :D
DAO and DAO 2 as awesome as they are...its a true argument Bioware makes you follow a pre-determined storyline such as in DAO when you have your only chance to have a healer which is the sorcerer i cant remember the name right now..but the 1st time i played i decided to kill her....boom no healer rest of the game...relying on the mage for healing...makes no sense
 

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More Fun To Compute said:
It's the cycle of hatred. I believe that it was explained in the Lion King or some other well known work of philosophy.
Wat! LOL