Woman in China was forced to abort her baby by government officials.
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How did you decide I was in favour of it? I'm not. I also don't agree with jail time for drug possession, but at the end of the day if you want to do drugs in a place that has such a law it's a risk you take. If you want the law changed, campaign to have the law changed. You can't randomly flout the law and act surprised when you receive the penalty you knew you would receive.geK0 said:
Yeah cause I'm a moron that didn't go through 12+ years of american schooling. Don't be daft.Blablahb said:
1. Population control is really only an issue in developing nations. Its actually the opposite problem in most western societies. Population control can be done in methods that respect human beings. Like not forcing them to get abortions, instead educating people about contraception and making them available. Especially to those who like in rural areas, like the victim in the present case, she was poor, and lived in a rural area, someplace in likely to have access to education.
2. Because people stand around and do nothing in the face of evil we get the holocaust, the horrors of the cama rouge, genocide in Darfur. I cannot condone suffering just because there is little we can do about it and I cannot say that its okay to force someone to go through that kind of trauma in the name of a broken government policy. There are humane ways to control the population that empower women and give them control of their sexuality and of their bodies. To say that the government should at will be allowed to force an abortion or any unwanted medical procedure on anyone is wrong.
3. Imagine how violated that woman in China was. Has anyone ever touched you inappropriately? Image someone forcing themselves onto your body in a truly invasive manner and didn't bother to give you pain medication. A violation of one's body is a very serious infraction of human rights. I think what they did to her is comparable to a castration, rape, or other violation against the person. Your body is your own and no government should have the right to regulate it as they see fit.
Put yourself in this woman's shoes. How would you feel to have someone perform a painful, unwanted medical procedure performed on you? Would you like to be tattooed, branded, forced to have a medical experiment or part of you removed against your will but in the name of a policy that you didn't vote for and you have no power to rise against?
Its quite sad that so many people can condone this behavior in the name of population control. When long term studies show that education and access to birth control help curve populations. Developing nations do have population booms but to handle it in such a way that violates human rights is wrong. One's body isn't government property. The people born in places that don't have the advantages of readily available birth control can't help where they were born and should not have diminished rights because of it.
2. Because people stand around and do nothing in the face of evil we get the holocaust, the horrors of the cama rouge, genocide in Darfur. I cannot condone suffering just because there is little we can do about it and I cannot say that its okay to force someone to go through that kind of trauma in the name of a broken government policy. There are humane ways to control the population that empower women and give them control of their sexuality and of their bodies. To say that the government should at will be allowed to force an abortion or any unwanted medical procedure on anyone is wrong.
3. Imagine how violated that woman in China was. Has anyone ever touched you inappropriately? Image someone forcing themselves onto your body in a truly invasive manner and didn't bother to give you pain medication. A violation of one's body is a very serious infraction of human rights. I think what they did to her is comparable to a castration, rape, or other violation against the person. Your body is your own and no government should have the right to regulate it as they see fit.
Put yourself in this woman's shoes. How would you feel to have someone perform a painful, unwanted medical procedure performed on you? Would you like to be tattooed, branded, forced to have a medical experiment or part of you removed against your will but in the name of a policy that you didn't vote for and you have no power to rise against?
Its quite sad that so many people can condone this behavior in the name of population control. When long term studies show that education and access to birth control help curve populations. Developing nations do have population booms but to handle it in such a way that violates human rights is wrong. One's body isn't government property. The people born in places that don't have the advantages of readily available birth control can't help where they were born and should not have diminished rights because of it.
This, unfortunately isn't the first time that this has been widely known. This one child policy is harsh and horrible. It's a method of population control which is arguably necessary due to the large population that there is.
I don't agree with it but I can't think of any alternatives either, nor do I think it'll stop any time soon.
I don't agree with it but I can't think of any alternatives either, nor do I think it'll stop any time soon.
You should know by now that most people on the escapist will forgive any violation of human rights based on technicalities, but will fight pirates to the death to make sure companies like EA don't run out of money.Skitty_McFluffernut said:
Priorities. We has them.
1. No it's world issue. We're rapidly running out of land to develop housing on. Also if were wasting land on living space where are we going to get additional farm land? There have been solutions of building vertical farm houses, litteral sky scraper glass boxes for agriculture, but this is a very legit problem. It's compounded even worse because people are living longer.Skitty_McFluffernut said:
2. Is it the ideal way it should be done? No. I'd like to think we live in a world where the facts could be laid out on the table and a good chunk of people would elect to not have children for the betterment of our environment but humans are selfish creatures. Sure one or two would elect not to have kids, but for every one of them theres an Octomom that has kids she can't even afford.
Also as far as I know the average German citizen didn't really know about the Halocaust till after WWII ended and all the nasty little secrets came out.
3. Look if I'm in that woman's shoes, I make damn sure I don't have more then one kid cause what the fuck did she think was going to happen? Yeah okay what the government did wasn't the right thing in least, but how the fuck do you live in that environment, try to have another kid and not think your going to catch some serious shit for it? This isn't blaming the victim, it's just common sense. I don't smoke weed and expect that if a cop catches me that he's not going to arrest me.
Your point is they keep boys for farming. My point is they keep boys because your daughter is not supposed to take care of you even if she has a job. You have few ways to ensure a good retirement and the best one is to have a kid who will support you. You need a boy because a girl won't even if she has a job and makes loads of money.
Hmm i better cancel my missile launch then. I hope you aren't serious.Tony said:Of all the... You're going to nuke China because several Chinese officials, who made a mistake, made a Chinese women abort her baby in China? I don't even...bafrali said:
That's the same as killing a robber along with the person who got robbed.
This has been going on for a long time. And it's nasty but necessary. There are almost 2 billion people living in China, they just can't start allowing exceptions. If the population doesn't stabilize, they simply won't have the resources to keep everybody alive, and then nature will do the stabilizing for them, probably in the form of famine.