World Cup 2010

[Spinozaad]

I'm hung over. I mean... Really hung over.

Those last three minutes of the extra time in the extra time were nerve wrecking.

BUT FUCK YES.

FINALS!

 

[scaryt]

whoa holland, it's gonna be one tough final. no matter who wins tonight (germany )

 

[The Diabolical Biz]

*snip*

I'll attempt to explain it to you.

Yes, he stopped a certain goal. However, there is no discrimination in the rules between a certain goal and a not-so-certain goal, because that would be impossible to say objectively in most cases. So the rule is that handballing on the goal line is a red card and a penalty. And this is fair, because

1. A penalty is a huge chance
2. The other team from now on lacks a player, giving the team that got the penalty a major advantage

The problem in this match was that it happened in the last minutes or even seconds of the match, so the red card didn't have any effect. But you can't just make different rules for different times in the match.

I'm sorry, a penalty is a huger chance than...a goal? I don't think so. I never said that Ghana should have been awarded the game, I just said that they were robbed. It's even less fair because it occured in about the last minute of extra time.

 

[The Diabolical Biz]

*snip*

To start, I'm just gonna mention that this started because I called the Uruguayans cheats, and now you're...agreeing with me?

Ok, now lets clear something up here. I am not on the World Cup Bandwagon. I, in fact, watch the Premiership (I'm English) every week, and have done for years, so maybe I might just know a tiny bit of what I'm talking about, eh? Consider this, I have not seen such a blatant robbing of a goal for a long time, which is only amplified by the fact that this was the quarter final of the World Cup. Sure, it happens, but are you telling me that Ghana and Ghana supporters don't have a right to complain because cheating prevented them from going further in the World Cup, the biggest footballing tournament there is? If you don't understand this, then please, don't bother carrying on this argument.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

To start, I'm just gonna mention that this started because I called the Uruguayans cheats, and now you're...agreeing with me?

What? I'm agreeing with you?
Where on Earth did you take that from?
I quote myself:

So, in other words, Suarez did not try to get away with his rule-breaking and, is therefore not a cheat.

So, as you can clearly see, I did not agree.

Ok, now lets clear something up here. I am not on the World Cup Bandwagon. I, in fact, watch the Premiership (I'm English) every week, and have done for years, so maybe I might just know a tiny bit of what I'm talking about, eh? Consider this, I have not seen such a blatant robbing of a goal for a long time, which is only amplified by the fact that this was the quarter final of the World Cup.

And how should I know that, especially considering that you're so oblivious to the concept of defenders protecting an open goal as goalkeepers.
Also, haven't seen any examples? Really?
Well, that was easy. The only difference is that Ghana scored here.

Sure, it happens, but are you telling me that Ghana and Ghana supporters don't have a right to complain because cheating prevented them from going further in the World Cup, the biggest footballing tournament there is? If you don't understand this, then please, don't bother carrying on this argument.

Once again, it was not cheating.
Just like fouling a forward who is going one-to-one against the goalkeeper is not cheating.
See how I don't understand your concept? Common practice, NOT CHEATING.
I really ask you to come up with a better argument than "those Uruguayans are cheaters, poor Ghana" next time.
EDIT: Also, I just remembered that the free kick that initiated this situation was false, thus the ones who got robbed were Uruguay.
It shouldn't really matter because Uruguay was not cheating, but if you want to talk "robbed", then be my guest.

 

[-IT-]

I'm hung over. I mean... Really hung over.

Those last three minutes of the extra time in the extra time were nerve wrecking.

BUT FUCK YES.

FINALS!

You me, and every other Dutchman, damn all this partying

Now go Germany go!

Give us the final everyone is hoping for!

 

[The Diabolical Biz]

To start, I'm just gonna mention that this started because I called the Uruguayans cheats, and now you're...agreeing with me?

What? I'm agreeing with you?
Where on Earth did you take that from?
I quote myself:

So, in other words, Suarez did not try to get away with his rule-breaking and, is therefore not a cheat.

So, as you can clearly see, I did not agree.

Ok, now lets clear something up here. I am not on the World Cup Bandwagon. I, in fact, watch the Premiership (I'm English) every week, and have done for years, so maybe I might just know a tiny bit of what I'm talking about, eh? Consider this, I have not seen such a blatant robbing of a goal for a long time, which is only amplified by the fact that this was the quarter final of the World Cup.

And how should I know that, especially considering that you're so oblivious to the concept of defenders protecting an open goal as goalkeepers.
Also, haven't seen any examples? Really?
Well, that was easy. The only difference is that Ghana scored here.

Sure, it happens, but are you telling me that Ghana and Ghana supporters don't have a right to complain because cheating prevented them from going further in the World Cup, the biggest footballing tournament there is? If you don't understand this, then please, don't bother carrying on this argument.

Once again, it was not cheating.
Just like fouling a forward who is going one-to-one against the goalkeeper is not cheating.
See how I don't understand your concept? Common practice, NOT CHEATING.
I really ask you to come up with a better argument than "those Uruguayans are cheaters, poor Ghana" next time.
EDIT: Also, I just remembered that the free kick that initiated this situation was false, thus the ones who got robbed were Uruguay.
It shouldn't really matter because Uruguay was not cheating, but if you want to talk "robbed", then be my guest.

Dude, how much football do you watch? And I said "For a long time", not "not ever". You know, it was also in the last minute of extra time? That makes even worse in my opinion. I think what you can't quite grasp, is that just because it's common practice doesn't mean it's not cheating. For example if a lot of runners suddenly decided to take steroids, and all of them ran really fast and stopped a runner who hadn't taken steroids from winning a race, just because it was common practice would it not be cheating? Because that's what you're saying.

 

[Grahav]

About the game, there was an offside called against Uruguay that didn't exist, and the second Holland's goal was offsided.

I knew I was not the only one who saw that.
I think it's still up to the referee, though, but if he would've called offside no one would complain.
Nobody called the Villa goal from offside in Portugal-Spain and this one is even less noticeable.
Still, I really liked both teams and if its the Netherlands who won, I have no problem with that.

Yes, it is still congrats for Netherlands. They have been being efficient for some time.

But now we have a lot of possible referee murders and people which want tech: Ireland, England, USA, Mexico, Switzerland, Uruguay, Portugal, Ivory Coat...

And remember: Ballack couldn't play the world cup because he was hurt by Boateng. And the ghanese player could play, how fair is that?

Don't shoot Suarez. Shoot the rules. Remember he played by the rules. If you don't like them, change them.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Dude, how much football do you watch? And I said "For a long time", not "not ever". You know, it was also in the last minute of extra time? That makes even worse in my opinion. I think what you can't quite grasp, is that just because it's common practice doesn't mean it's not cheating. For example if a lot of runners suddenly decided to take steroids, and all of them ran really fast and stopped a runner who hadn't taken steroids from winning a race, just because it was common practice would it not be cheating? Because that's what you're saying.

To answer you first question, a lot and I used to watch even more.
Also, it doesn't matter whether it's the last minute or not. Just a heads up, rules are the same no matter what minute of the match it is.
Lastly, your example with runners is invalid. In athletics, the punishment for steroids is a suspension. In soccer, the penalty for stopping a certain goal with your hands is a penalty and a red card.
Suarez intentionally broke the rules and knew he would get penalized. People on steroids try to avoid punishment.
Let's repeat that again - Suarez KNEW he would get penalized and didn't try to stop the rules from taking effect. This is the main difference between this and your example, and between this and diving, a great ammount of which Ghana showed in that quarterfinal.
In other words, Suarez is not a cheat. And Uruguay deserved to get into the semifinal.

 

[Ekit]

This is going to be epic!!

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Spain v Germany!

I'm hoping this will be the game of the tournament. Good fast pace already, Villa nearly got one!

 

[MiracleOfSound]

This is going to be epic!!

Great game so far... fast paced and some nice chances, not too many free kicks slowing things down.

 

[hermes]

To start, I'm just gonna mention that this started because I called the Uruguayans cheats, and now you're...agreeing with me?

What? I'm agreeing with you?
Where on Earth did you take that from?I quote myself:

So, in other words, Suarez did not try to get away with his rule-breaking and, is therefore not a cheat.

So, as you can clearly see, I did not agree.

Ok, now lets clear something up here. I am not on the World Cup Bandwagon. I, in fact, watch the Premiership (I'm English) every week, and have done for years, so maybe I might just know a tiny bit of what I'm talking about, eh? Consider this, I have not seen such a blatant robbing of a goal for a long time, which is only amplified by the fact that this was the quarter final of the World Cup.

And how should I know that, especially considering that you're so oblivious to the concept of defenders protecting an open goal as goalkeepers.
Also, haven't seen any examples? Really?Well, that was easy. The only difference is that Ghana scored here.

Sure, it happens, but are you telling me that Ghana and Ghana supporters don't have a right to complain because cheating prevented them from going further in the World Cup, the biggest footballing tournament there is? If you don't understand this, then please, don't bother carrying on this argument.

Once again, it was not cheating.
Just like fouling a forward who is going one-to-one against the goalkeeper is not cheating.
See how I don't understand your concept? Common practice, NOT CHEATING.
I really ask you to come up with a better argument than "those Uruguayans are cheaters, poor Ghana" next time.
EDIT: Also, I just remembered that the free kick that initiated this situation was false, thus the ones who got robbed were Uruguay.
It shouldn't really matter because Uruguay was not cheating, but if you want to talk "robbed", then be my guest.

Dude, how much football do you watch? And I said "For a long time", not "not ever". You know, it was also in the last minute of extra time? That makes even worse in my opinion. I think what you can't quite grasp, is that just because it's common practice doesn't mean it's not cheating. For example if a lot of runners suddenly decided to take steroids, and all of them ran really fast and stopped a runner who hadn't taken steroids from winning a race, just because it was common practice would it not be cheating? Because that's what you're saying.

Let's put this clear:
- Suarez makes a foul.
- The referee sees it, and gives the player the maximum punishment (a red card) and a penalty kick for Ghana.
- Ghana shoots and fails.

At which point does this counts as cheat? Suarez did what he had to do to prevent the goal, even at the expenses of being expelled, and Ghana had a fair chance on a penalty kick.
You are confusing breaking the rules with cheating. It is not the same thing... Intentionally breaking the rules is not cheating, its a foul. It could only be consider cheating if it is meant to get away with it. Suarez was properly punished, and Ghana got their chance.

 

[hermes]

*snip*

Ok, now lets clear something up here. I am not on the World Cup Bandwagon. I, in fact, watch the Premiership (I'm English) every week, and have done for years, so maybe I might just know a tiny bit of what I'm talking about, eh?

If you want to go that route to defend your position, fine... I can do that too.
I have watched and played soccer for most of my life... That is about 30 years. Therefore, I know a lot more of what I'm talking about, eh?

I guess that means I win.

 

[Sonicron]

Hmm. Very fast-paced match for the most part so far, and quite fair, too.

Regrettably I must admit that Spain clearly has the upper hand. Germany finally woke up around the 25th/30th minute and had some promising chances - including that one incredibly big one during overtime (why did Özil have to stumble over his own feet!?) -, but overall Spain is the better team so far. Absolutely astonishing level of ball control on their part, from every single player.
Luckily our defense is wide-awake, with Friedrich and Mertesacker both at the top of their game.

 

[Ekit]

WOW! That was close! O_O
How did Villa miss that ball?

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Hmm. Very fast-paced match for the most part so far, and quite fair, too.

Regrettably I must admit that Spain clearly has the upper hand. Germany finally woke up around the 25th/30th minute and had some promising chances - including that one incredibly big one during overtime (why did Özil have to stumble over his own feet!?) -, but overall Spain is the better team so far. Absolutely astonishing level of ball control on their part, from every single player.
Luckily our defense is wide-awake, with Friedrich and Mertesacker both at the top of their game.

Over 20 minutes without a foul in the first half. Great game.

I agree Spain are dominating, but you never know what might happen. Klose is looking dangerous.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Christ... Klose should have buried that.

 

[Spinozaad]

1 - 0 for Spain.

My favourite final is slowly becoming a reality.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

1 - 0 for Spain.

My favourite final is slowly becoming a reality.

Me too, I'd love to see a team win that's never won before.

Germany have been a joy to watch through the tournament but they seem to be getting out-classed today.