WoW Player Claims Kicked from Guild for Being Deaf

[Arehexes]

Some people play this game competitively. If you are running a 4x100m relay and one of your team becomes crippled or otherwise unable to run, guess what? Game over, someone else is in. When one person drags down the whole team then time to move on.

If you don't agree with that, don't be in a guild of this nature. Some people revel in success & their fun is measured in that way, and there are things that must be taken to ensure the success of the group as a whole.

As for the rest of it, a bunch of bleeding hearts on this forum crying foul about it. Don't be in a guild then if you don't like it. It's not a right, it's a priveledge.

I'd write more but it'd invite probation of some sort

Some people don't seem to get that it seems. Everyone here is whining about how that guild is unfair, I wonder if they were in a group of gamers who played to win.

 

[Danceofmasks]

But what about the other guilds, he mention he tried to go to other guilds but they wouldn't take him. Why not hate on them, they are just as bad by everyone's book. He is just whining he got kicked from a guild. I'm sorry he was hurt, but there are other guilds since WoW is the biggest MMORPG out there you mean he couldn't find one guild? But fine you guys can go "aw that sucks"

I think what makes it worse is they had been raiding together for 4 years. That's the major difference between a guild he tried to join and a guild he was in.

Well, exactly.
I'll maintain that the main issue here isn't the vent, it's that they should know him and how he plays, and didn't even give him a fair go to see if he can pull his weight.


However, the "it's just a game" people are WAY off the mark.
There are always going to be levels of play, and people don't mix between those levels.

My best friend likes scrabble, she thinks it's a great game.
However, she never plays against me ... 'cos I was a tournament player.
I read dictionaries, memorised words, mathematically analysed the board and remaining tiles, all that jazz.
From my perspective, I play the game as a titanic struggle for dominance, best player wins, and I'll use words that are legal but "wtf that's a word" by common parlance.
From her perspective, it's no fun getting facerolled by a much better player.

In the same manner, she plays table tennis competitively, while I don't ...

So we play 8-ball together.
Just sayin'

 

[Arehexes]

Deaf kid can't play one game she he cries about it.

Your attitude is a joke pal. Sort your head out.

Whats wrong with my attitude. He gets deaf, I feel bad about that.

He tries to join his guild, his guild requires voice chat. He can't use it so he can't raid, he argues with his guild leader and is kicked and now he cries about it. I don't feel bad for that. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Wow, what a ass hole move. To kick someone out when they lost their abillity to hear? That's just so cruel...

 

[Salem_Wolf]

-Long, had to snip-

I understand were you're coming from, for most who haven't had it as hard this is kind of a big deal to them. Ya know? I had few friends growing up, most of my friends are on the internet so I understand how he feels so crushed his friends would leave as they supposedly did. If it's any consolation I'd have been friends with you and your close friend, and I'm sorry for your loss no matter how long ago it was. For him, though, it may be he has a social disorder than limits him from getting out, it's not uncommon, it's possible, but relax, friends leave it sucks, crying and moving on? Let him have a moment to say "well...fuck...", you've had a rough one, I get it, but no reason not to let him have a moment. Besides, he's turned this into something positive.

Yeah there ARE a lot of people hurting more than him, but when does the line get drawn when we stop caring about everything and only about the worst? You can't afford food? Hey at least you have a house for now, stop crying and get over it. You lost your job? Your parents will take you in, stop crying. See how it works? Yeah you might not see it the way I do, but if you go about saying "stop crying, get over it" to him, when does the line cross when you say "sorry your husband died, you got a place to live, stop crying"? I'm not trying to be a dick about it, honestly, but you seem to be taking this story seriously and personally, if your text is any indication.

And yeah, I forgot about MLG, but I don't think these guys were in any running to be in any competition. It sucks about your life, racism is a horrible thing it is, I have a few black friends and I'm white, I see them as friends, no less, some off-the-wall jokes are said but that's about it. Racism is there, but we're cool and see past it, and it works both ways we're kind of cool with it.

Now only two points I want to bring out specifically:

1)I don't care if he is disabled or not, rules are rules. And note it's not like he has a mental disability where he doesn't know right from wrong.

Yeah, he knows the rules but after 4 years in the guild you'd think a fair shake would be given, ya know? Give him a chance and I think the situation would have been avoided, coulda gone better.

2)If they were his friends they would have sided with him when he was kicked, they were not so they were not his friends.

No, they weren't his friends, but for 4 years he thought they were. I don't care who you are, that's a horrible blow to endure. After 4 years if my best friend sided with someone else, I don't care, I'd be crushed. Anyone who says they wouldn't be is
A) Lying
B) Doesn't feel they're a friend in the first place.

My two cents in response.

Edit: Uh...is the Escapist going down cause I keep getting 404s, twice so far. Hm.

Ok Deaf kid who got guild from one of the many guilds on the worlds biggest MMO is not a big deal as a homeless person.

Deaf kid can't play one game she he cries about it.

I'm sorry but "I can't pay for food" has more wight then "I am deaf and can't go raiding". At least he has a means to pay for the game, so excuse me if I don't cry for the poor kid, yeah it sucks he can't enjoy music (I might lose it without my music) he lost a whole thing to enjoy no more music. But a MMO, he can play one of the many MMOs out there, or a regular game.

And the Escapist is giving me problems to...

But what about the other guilds, he mention he tried to go to other guilds but they wouldn't take him. Why not hate on them, they are just as bad by everyone's book. He is just whining he got kicked from a guild. I'm sorry he was hurt, but there are other guilds since WoW is the biggest MMORPG out there you mean he couldn't find one guild? But fine you guys can go "aw that sucks"

I think what makes it worse is they had been raiding together for 4 years. That's the major difference between a guild he tried to join and a guild he was in.

But why was he kicked? It seemed he wasn't allowed to raid, he wasn't kicked till their little blow out. See I don't know which side to trust, to me it seems like a kid who felt like he should have his way cause he is deaf and didn't get his way.

It's hard to know which side to trust in this instance because there is no clear-cut answer, and only one side is speaking. The other side is staying silent or just doesn't know what's going on outside of the guild with this guy who's off saying what he is.

And no, I know a homeless person or someone who can't afford to eat is far more outweighed by some MMO-player, I don't ask for tears, I don't ask for anything really, I just think that small or large, hell why stop caring about this poor sod because his problems don't matter against the others? It's just my opinion, which is obviously very different from yours, and I respect that, honestly I do, sounds like the both of us have had some toughness, you more than me, but we're all people who enjoy the simple things.

Now I was never heavy into WoW, I'm not a hardcore player, but to him it may have been his only game, so for him to lose the people he calls friends could be pretty hard. That's all I'm saying.


I'm sorry but "I can't pay for food" has more wight then "I am deaf and can't go raiding". At least he has a means to pay for the game, so excuse me if I don't cry for the poor kid, yeah it sucks he can't enjoy music (I might lose it without my music) he lost a whole thing to enjoy no more music. But a MMO, he can play one of the many MMOs out there, or a regular game.

I think the bigger impact is this is very new to him, I mean suddenly going from what he was accustomed to to this? Well, hell, might be kinda tough, I wouldn't know exactly. But, I think we can both agree we've said what we wanted. Right? Might as well leave it at our closing arguments, heh.

 

[Indecipherable]

It's their guild and they have their rules. If he wasn't helping the guild then he is gone.

Oh grow up ffs.

You've got it the wrong way. It is you who are telling people how to have fun and that their method is wrong.

Clearly it's a very success-driven guild that measures their fun by what they are able to accomplish. If there is someone incapable of helping, or worse, ruins that experience for everyone in the guild, then it's time for them to leave. You may think that is wrong, but some people actually like to win, and I can say from experience that having someone on your team that is grossly incompetent (through their own fault or none of their own) is not going to be on my team for long.

You need to take a little of your own medicine and see that people measure their fun in different ways.

 

[Salem_Wolf]

But what about the other guilds, he mention he tried to go to other guilds but they wouldn't take him. Why not hate on them, they are just as bad by everyone's book. He is just whining he got kicked from a guild. I'm sorry he was hurt, but there are other guilds since WoW is the biggest MMORPG out there you mean he couldn't find one guild? But fine you guys can go "aw that sucks"

I think what makes it worse is they had been raiding together for 4 years. That's the major difference between a guild he tried to join and a guild he was in.

Well, exactly.
I'll maintain that the main issue here isn't the vent, it's that they should know him and how he plays, and didn't even give him a fair go to see if he can pull his weight.


However, the "it's just a game" people are WAY off the mark.
There are always going to be levels of play, and people don't mix between those levels.

My best friend likes scrabble, she thinks it's a great game.
However, she never plays against me ... 'cos I was a tournament player.
I read dictionaries, memorised words, mathematically analysed the board and remaining tiles, all that jazz.
From my perspective, I play the game as a titanic struggle for dominance, best player wins, and I'll use words that are legal but "wtf that's a word" by common parlance.
From her perspective, it's no fun getting facerolled by a much better player.

In the same manner, she plays table tennis competitively, while I don't ...

So we play 8-ball together.
Just sayin'

I don't really have anything to add, because you hit the nail on the head. I'll admit I was one of those "it's just a game" but more so in a way that "they can relax a little, it's not going to kill them to remember: he's their friend". But uh, the real reason I quoted you was because: I love Scrabble and wish I had your talent. You have my envy, haha.

 

[Arehexes]

-Long, had to snip-

I understand were you're coming from, for most who haven't had it as hard this is kind of a big deal to them. Ya know? I had few friends growing up, most of my friends are on the internet so I understand how he feels so crushed his friends would leave as they supposedly did. If it's any consolation I'd have been friends with you and your close friend, and I'm sorry for your loss no matter how long ago it was. For him, though, it may be he has a social disorder than limits him from getting out, it's not uncommon, it's possible, but relax, friends leave it sucks, crying and moving on? Let him have a moment to say "well...fuck...", you've had a rough one, I get it, but no reason not to let him have a moment. Besides, he's turned this into something positive.

Yeah there ARE a lot of people hurting more than him, but when does the line get drawn when we stop caring about everything and only about the worst? You can't afford food? Hey at least you have a house for now, stop crying and get over it. You lost your job? Your parents will take you in, stop crying. See how it works? Yeah you might not see it the way I do, but if you go about saying "stop crying, get over it" to him, when does the line cross when you say "sorry your husband died, you got a place to live, stop crying"? I'm not trying to be a dick about it, honestly, but you seem to be taking this story seriously and personally, if your text is any indication.

And yeah, I forgot about MLG, but I don't think these guys were in any running to be in any competition. It sucks about your life, racism is a horrible thing it is, I have a few black friends and I'm white, I see them as friends, no less, some off-the-wall jokes are said but that's about it. Racism is there, but we're cool and see past it, and it works both ways we're kind of cool with it.

Now only two points I want to bring out specifically:

1)I don't care if he is disabled or not, rules are rules. And note it's not like he has a mental disability where he doesn't know right from wrong.

Yeah, he knows the rules but after 4 years in the guild you'd think a fair shake would be given, ya know? Give him a chance and I think the situation would have been avoided, coulda gone better.

2)If they were his friends they would have sided with him when he was kicked, they were not so they were not his friends.

No, they weren't his friends, but for 4 years he thought they were. I don't care who you are, that's a horrible blow to endure. After 4 years if my best friend sided with someone else, I don't care, I'd be crushed. Anyone who says they wouldn't be is
A) Lying
B) Doesn't feel they're a friend in the first place.

My two cents in response.

Edit: Uh...is the Escapist going down cause I keep getting 404s, twice so far. Hm.

Ok Deaf kid who got guild from one of the many guilds on the worlds biggest MMO is not a big deal as a homeless person.

Deaf kid can't play one game she he cries about it.

I'm sorry but "I can't pay for food" has more wight then "I am deaf and can't go raiding". At least he has a means to pay for the game, so excuse me if I don't cry for the poor kid, yeah it sucks he can't enjoy music (I might lose it without my music) he lost a whole thing to enjoy no more music. But a MMO, he can play one of the many MMOs out there, or a regular game.

And the Escapist is giving me problems to...

But what about the other guilds, he mention he tried to go to other guilds but they wouldn't take him. Why not hate on them, they are just as bad by everyone's book. He is just whining he got kicked from a guild. I'm sorry he was hurt, but there are other guilds since WoW is the biggest MMORPG out there you mean he couldn't find one guild? But fine you guys can go "aw that sucks"

I think what makes it worse is they had been raiding together for 4 years. That's the major difference between a guild he tried to join and a guild he was in.

But why was he kicked? It seemed he wasn't allowed to raid, he wasn't kicked till their little blow out. See I don't know which side to trust, to me it seems like a kid who felt like he should have his way cause he is deaf and didn't get his way.

It's hard to know which side to trust in this instance because there is no clear-cut answer, and only one side is speaking. The other side is staying silent or just doesn't know what's going on outside of the guild with this guy who's off saying what he is.

And no, I know a homeless person or someone who can't afford to eat is far more outweighed by some MMO-player, I don't ask for tears, I don't ask for anything really, I just think that small or large, hell why stop caring about this poor sod because his problems don't matter against the others? It's just my opinion, which is obviously very different from yours, and I respect that, honestly I do, sounds like the both of us have had some toughness, you more than me, but we're all people who enjoy the simple things.

Now I was never heavy into WoW, I'm not a hardcore player, but to him it may have been his only game, so for him to lose the people he calls friends could be pretty hard. That's all I'm saying.


I'm sorry but "I can't pay for food" has more wight then "I am deaf and can't go raiding". At least he has a means to pay for the game, so excuse me if I don't cry for the poor kid, yeah it sucks he can't enjoy music (I might lose it without my music) he lost a whole thing to enjoy no more music. But a MMO, he can play one of the many MMOs out there, or a regular game.

I think the bigger impact is this is very new to him, I mean suddenly going from what he was accustomed to to this? Well, hell, might be kinda tough, I wouldn't know exactly. But, I think we can both agree we've said what we wanted. Right? Might as well leave it at our closing arguments, heh.

I agree with the losing his hearing thing is a bad thing and would be a shock. Like I said in a early post I think no music in my life would drive me insane (and I'm not kidding when my zune dies I start to get uneasy without music to help me think).

But it's not is guild to run, and it sounds like he can't make the final call. And since he didn't like that he fought about it and lost. And like you said we only have one side, for all we know he could have left out "And I called him a **********************, and I hope he burns in hell with his whole family" and left that out of his "story". So no it's sad he is deaf but I'm not sold on "it's sad he couldn't find a guild" when WoW is supposed to be the biggest MMO.

Edit:What closing arguments, you saps up in arms for the deaf kid won't change your mind on the subject. And I love that title, way to twist facts because his post from the events that he stated was
1)Told his old guild he was deaf and going do vent
2)Told he couldn't raid
3)Fought about it
4)Was banned

 

[Danceofmasks]

I don't really have anything to add, because you hit the nail on the head. I'll admit I was one of those "it's just a game" but more so in a way that "they can relax a little, it's not going to kill them to remember: he's their friend". But uh, the real reason I quoted you was because: I love Scrabble and wish I had your talent. You have my envy, haha.

Eh, I don't have much scrabble talent, to be honest ... it's many hundreds of hours of hard work.
('cos if it's serious business, it's just that, serious business)
I play music, too ... and I don't have much in the way of music talent, either.

If I have talent in anything, it's in my ancestral martial art.
At the age of almost 7, I was too old to start ('cos that's how the traditionalists do it) .. but the clan instructor gave me a fair go anyway, and apparently I picked it up so fast it made his head spin.

 

[Salem_Wolf]

I don't really have anything to add, because you hit the nail on the head. I'll admit I was one of those "it's just a game" but more so in a way that "they can relax a little, it's not going to kill them to remember: he's their friend". But uh, the real reason I quoted you was because: I love Scrabble and wish I had your talent. You have my envy, haha.

Eh, I don't have much scrabble talent, to be honest ... it's many hundreds of hours of hard work.
('cos if it's serious business, it's just that, serious business)
I play music, too ... and I don't have much in the way of music talent, either.

If I have talent in anything, it's in my ancestral martial art.
At the age of almost 7, I was too old to start ('cos that's how the traditionalists do it) .. but the clan instructor gave me a fair go anyway, and apparently I picked it up so fast it made his head spin.

Okay, talent in the martial arts I could definitely be jealous of. Oh well, never too late to start.

 

[Vrach]

You're assuming, and wrong at that. I have been in raids and I haven't used Vent for it MUCH. Wrath of Lich King era raids, at that, if Cataclysm has become harder, then I wouldn't know, I haven't played for about six months but I've played WoW and done raids with only typing. It works. It's difficult, yeah, but it CAN be done, impossible? No. Macros exist for a reason, and raids before voice was mandatory have existed for a long time.

Now I did say I didn't use vent much, I have done it, yes it makes things easier, but is it impossible without? Not really.

Might wanna read more than two of the paragraphs of my post mate. I didn't say raiding is impossible, I said combat communication is.

Macros don't account for random events, you'd need a ridiculous number of them to account for every single thing that could happen (which in turn increases the pressure on one/several people or even the whole raid to make and manage/use said macros).

Also, text is harder to read in combat and you'd have to make specific macros for specific players or use a script macro (something not necessarily in the knowledge range of the average user) with targeting. Spamming a general macro is always useless because everyone thinks "oh that's not about me" by reaction default.

Personally, I don't remember ever not using TS/Vent in a raid outside PuGs (and even several decent PuGs required it), every guild I was ever in in WoW always had it as mandatory. And no, I wasn't only in high end guilds. Maybe its a server thing but I honestly don't know of a single guild that doesn't use it and everyone that uses it has it as mandatory.

And as you said, at the very least it's difficult to do raids with typing only. Sacrificing the fun of 9/24 people (who btw have their own sets of problems they don't bring to the game and just wanna lay back and have some fun the way they want to) for one person is not necessarily the optimal route to take. So aye, as I said, I don't blame the GL for not allowing him to raid and from the sound of his post, he probably took his frustrations out on the GL, which while understandable in his situation, is not necessarily tolerable.

Myself I'm wondering why everyone's saying a bunch of strangers that are gathered by a guild to do one thing together are bad people for excluding him from a single activity due to rules that were in place before he even joined, when his actual RL friends ditched him for the sole reason of not being willing to be arsed with his condition.

 

[Danceofmasks]

I don't really have anything to add, because you hit the nail on the head. I'll admit I was one of those "it's just a game" but more so in a way that "they can relax a little, it's not going to kill them to remember: he's their friend". But uh, the real reason I quoted you was because: I love Scrabble and wish I had your talent. You have my envy, haha.

Eh, I don't have much scrabble talent, to be honest ... it's many hundreds of hours of hard work.
('cos if it's serious business, it's just that, serious business)
I play music, too ... and I don't have much in the way of music talent, either.

If I have talent in anything, it's in my ancestral martial art.
At the age of almost 7, I was too old to start ('cos that's how the traditionalists do it) .. but the clan instructor gave me a fair go anyway, and apparently I picked it up so fast it made his head spin.

Okay, talent in the martial arts I could definitely be jealous of. Oh well, never too late to start.

Only if you like pain ... the way Dog Boxing is taught, it'd probably be illegal in your country.
Little kids punching trees until they bleed a gallon off their knuckles.

 

[Reveras]

They are jerks, but it's their choice, nothing you can do to them. Also from my point of view: Like it would have hurt them to type some things and/or make macros with what a encounter needed so he could just follow along.

 

[Salem_Wolf]

I agree with the losing his hearing thing is a bad thing and would be a shock. Like I said in a early post I think no music in my life would drive me insane (and I'm not kidding when my zune dies I start to get uneasy without music to help me think).

But it's not is guild to run, and it sounds like he can't make the final call. And since he didn't like that he fought about it and lost. And like you said we only have one side, for all we know he could have left out "And I called him a **********************, and I hope he burns in hell with his whole family" and left that out of his "story". So no it's sad he is deaf but I'm not sold on "it's sad he couldn't find a guild" when WoW is supposed to be the biggest MMO.

I know how you feel, I can't go long without music. Even when with my friends on Skype I need to have music in the background. I hope if we get more of the story we can learn what all happened, for now I think that's all she wrote...

 

[thirion1850]

Disgusting. The 'it's just a game' reasoning is no excuse to be a complete swine to another, especially after said person had just lost something as vital as his -hearing-. Solitude is a harsh thing to experience, and because of this accident, as he explained, he has been nearing.

Hopefully that guild leader has him self a nice, lengthy ban. And here's to hoping this poor fella finds him self a far better circle of friends.

 

[Arehexes]

I agree with the losing his hearing thing is a bad thing and would be a shock. Like I said in a early post I think no music in my life would drive me insane (and I'm not kidding when my zune dies I start to get uneasy without music to help me think).

But it's not is guild to run, and it sounds like he can't make the final call. And since he didn't like that he fought about it and lost. And like you said we only have one side, for all we know he could have left out "And I called him a **********************, and I hope he burns in hell with his whole family" and left that out of his "story". So no it's sad he is deaf but I'm not sold on "it's sad he couldn't find a guild" when WoW is supposed to be the biggest MMO.

I know how you feel, I can't go long without music. Even when with my friends on Skype I need to have music in the background. I hope if we get more of the story we can learn what all happened, for now I think that's all she wrote...

Sadly it's true, Idk I'm a guy who needs both sides of the story. I hate not knowing the whole thing (which is why I really hate the white colony thing in US history class, about a colony who just vanished), and it bothers me to pick a side based on a unbiased story. But unless the GL wants to throw his hat in...yeah

 

[jaing1138]

Shoulda seen this coming.

Now, people online is a whole other story, but people in video games tend to not give two cents about someone's dissabilities, only that they can do a certain thing. It's sickening, but it's the sad truth unfortunatly.

I'm a little shocked i thought this thread would be like "dEm fuCkeRs shOuld DiE" but all im hearing is tough luck move on, a little support for the guy would be nice, people you call friends for 4 years stab you in the back and most people would be pissed at least and in his place they'd feel the same. If this was a real job then he could have sued their arse for discrimination but as its a game its acceptable for them to be dickheads about it. I'm the last person who should be saying this but these people need to sort their priorities out. Also they should grow a fucking conscience. I'm begining to believe the stereotypes that most wow players are sad, unsociable retards because of this. I hope this guy found a guild willing to take him in, if i played wow i would try seeking him out and offering help not shunning him like a leper.

 

[Arehexes]

Disgusting. The 'it's just a game' reasoning is no excuse to be a complete swine to another, especially after said person had just lost something as vital as his -hearing-. Solitude is a harsh thing to experience, and because of this accident, as he explained, he has been nearing.

Hopefully that guild leader has him self a nice, lengthy ban. And here's to hoping this poor fella finds him self a far better circle of friends.

The Guild Leader did nothing wrong, it's his guild it's his call. And we don't know what the fight that lead to him being kicked was about in detail.

 

[Arehexes]

Shoulda seen this coming.

Now, people online is a whole other story, but people in video games tend to not give two cents about someone's dissabilities, only that they can do a certain thing. It's sickening, but it's the sad truth unfortunatly.

I'm a little shocked i thought this thread would be like "dEm fuCkeRs shOuld DiE" but all im hearing is tough luck move on, a little support for the guy would be nice, people you call friends for 4 years stab you in the back and most people would be pissed at least and in his place they'd feel the same. If this was a real job then he could have sued their arse for discrimination but as its a game its acceptable for them to be dickheads about it. I'm the last person who should be saying this but these people need to sort their priorities out. Also they should grow a fucking conscience. I'm begining to believe the stereotypes that most wow players are sad, unsociable retards because of this. I hope this guy found a guild willing to take him in, if i played wow i would try seeking him out and offering help not shunning him like a leper.

You know that's why some companies don't wanna hire people who disabilities sometimes. Because they are a walking lawsuit, and if they were to try anything fear of being sued would happen because (in the US at least) we are sue happy and could easily throw discrimination around to get a easy win. Also the deaf kid did post other guilds didn't want him so...what about them, or the fact the kid and the guild master had a blow out which lead to him being blocked.