XBOX 360 Slim: Dying, scamming and enraging customers already...

[rt052192]

all I can say is welcome to the world of big business

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Why do you bring up the point that moving it breaks the games? Who in their right mind would move a game console or anything for that matter with moving parts inside. You're just asking for trouble. You may as well take out the game itself and get a key and go crazy on that bad boy. Also as a side note people will always have problems and there needs to some indication on the console or system as to what the problem is which is why I liked the red rings of death. Although with Kinect it uses your joints or body fram to map your movement you you can hardly complain about wearingly slightly better fitting clothing. Although the other things are problems.

To be fair, it isn't as though the technology to make the console less likely to damage a disc in motion doesn't already exist. My laptop for example have never scratched a disc because of motion and it's optical drive cost a whopping 25 USD. My PS3 has never once eaten a disc because the console has been shifted. To be completely fair however, the only time my xbox ate a disc was when it was shifted from a vertical placement to a horizontal position, and this occurred rather abruptly when an acquaintance bumped it in passing.

 

[LightOfDarkness]

It's not like having to buy the headset for the 360 that is only compatible with the 360.

Really? I have gotten my 360 headset and controler to work with my computer... So.... Derp?

Is it the one that plugs into the 360 controller?

Yup, I use a wire for my controller to connect to my PC. The controller and mic work with games like Halo Combat Evolved.

(There might be a program for it or something)

Actually, there is a program to map buttons and analog sticks to your keyboard and mouse.

 

[Funkysandwich]

Why do you bring up the point that moving it breaks the games? Who in their right mind would move a game console or anything for that matter with moving parts inside. You're just asking for trouble. You may as well take out the game itself and get a key and go crazy on that bad boy.

People sometimes move things by accident. It happens. People have kids, pets, narcolepsy, stuff like that y'know?

And beside, I once dropped my Gamecube from a five foot high shelf, it rolled all around the floor and when I looked back, the game was still running perfectly. Consoles can be built to avoid this problem.

Nintendo makes their consoles out of motherfucking steel or something.

Ex. I was going to a cousin's house, when there's a sudden crash at an intersection. I was heading straight for it. Thankfully, I managed to stop in time. My Wii, however, went flying through the windshield.

It still works. A few scuffs, but nothing some white paint can't undo.

Yep. My 10 year old plus consoles all still work fine, I have all my original games, all playable, all fine.

I have never had an Xbox, and refuse to buy one till their consoles are as robust as a PS2 or gamecube. At the moment, an Xbox 360 costs more then AU$400. If I spend that much money on something, it'd better last 10 years.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

It's theft if you've paid $50 dollars for a year's worth of service that you could be playing for that time. And at times it's more than a week. Oh yes it is very petty to mention this, but the reality is most people have gone through multiple xboxes. Also many people have had xboxes since release. Xbox's service for *giving you a new xbox* became dramatically faster only a year or two ago. Previously a person had to wait nearly a month to get *their* machine back. So to calculate for me for instance ...

You are paying for a service. You are not paying for the guaranteed right to use the service. For example, my satellite TV works in much the same way. When my receiver died, I did not get a single penny back for the week it took to get a replacement. In much the same fashion, I pay for internet service. For two weeks said service was out because of various technical problems with equipment provided by my ISP. Once again, I did not receive a refund.

8 xboxes 2 of which I scammed walmart into exchanging so of the 6 remaining only 2 of them had a 2 week turn-around so ...

4 xboxes sent x 4 wks is 16 weeks which comes to approx. 16$ plus 2 from rapid turn-around is 18$

Just a quick tip: if you want to build a case based around the concept of "the other guy is a cheat" don't go and tell me that you're an even bigger cheat. You throw any sympathy I might have had right out the window.

I completely agree. It comes down to people accepting the fact that things aren't going to work. It's completely unacceptable at the current rate. Nothing's perfect, but having fixed a few 360's after E74s, there is NO REASON m$ can't get this right.

While I agree that the failure rate of the 360 is troubling, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's unacceptable. Why not? Because people continue to purchase and play with said device in spite of its history of failure.

Of course, while some people have had terrible times with their consoles, I have only had to replace my 360 once. More to the point, the failure of my original 360 was not due to the RROD but rather a failure of the optical drive, most likely due to the two years it spent in the middle east because, in spite of the best efforts, sand will get into everything over there. While I know some people who have had multiple consoles fail, others have not. This leads me to a troubling conclusion: that the inherent engineering problem of the 360 can be mitigated by a reasonable level of care.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

To be fair, it isn't as though the technology to make the console less likely to damage a disc in motion doesn't already exist. My laptop for example have never scratched a disc because of motion and it's optical drive cost a whopping 25 USD. My PS3 has never once eaten a disc because the console has been shifted. To be completely fair however, the only time my xbox ate a disc was when it was shifted from a vertical placement to a horizontal position, and this occurred rather abruptly when an acquaintance bumped it in passing.

Laptops and PCs and PS3 and xbox 360s all have installs to stop the disc from spinning at ridiculous speeds so this doesn't happen. If someone doesn't install their games and then moves their console about a different axis to the one the disc is spinning is probably an idiot. If it happens by accident fair enough but there are plenty of ways to avoid this yourself if you choose to buy a xbox. Microsoft is not going to shell out their money to add in another to fix to a problem that already has a fix there for you. They are a greedy business that is never going to change.

While I understand what people are saying about the tech being there that really doesn't come into it. If it is cheaper for a business to omit something or go with a lower quality product and they think they will get away with it they will do it. So if you choose to buy a lower quality product which the 360 isn't if used properly these are thigns you have to live with.

 

[Labcoat Samurai]

If you already have one for your cell phone you can use that though, and the one you get for the PS3 is also cell phone compatible. It's not like having to buy the headset for the 360 that is only compatible with the 360.

Well, I mean, that was sort of my point. You don't have to buy the headset for the 360. Perhaps you weren't saying you do... unless you mean the wireless one.

But yeah, the only problem I run into is that my headset only seems to want to pair with one device at a time. So I find myself never dicking around with it with my PS3 because it means I'll have to go through the minor hassle of pairing it again with my phone later.

There's also the charge issue. Ideally I'd have two headsets paired with the PS3, so if one runs out of charge, I can put the other one on and continue to play uninterrupted while I recharge the first one. With the default Xbox headsets, you do have to worry about controller charge, but you'd have to worry about that anyway, so it's one less thing to remember. Consequently, I just don't find myself bothering with PS3 multiplayer most of the time because it's a bit of a hassle. Well, that and the lack of party chat.

On the other hand, that makes the PS3 a perfect place to go if I *don't* want to talk to people for a bit.

 

[scw55]

Add to this the fact that the comically overpriced Kinect appears to be spouting up new issues every day such as not working for people wearing baggy clothes or - shock horror: sitting down! I mean, what kind of gamer likes to sit down, eh? Sheesh!

So what you're saying is that to fully play the Kinect properly you have to stand up and be naked. Bad imagery of naked people being active when playing it

*dangle dangle*

 

[KaiRai]

Why do you bring up the point that moving it breaks the games? Who in their right mind would move a game console or anything for that matter with moving parts inside. You're just asking for trouble. You may as well take out the game itself and get a key and go crazy on that bad boy. Also as a side note people will always have problems and there needs to some indication on the console or system as to what the problem is which is why I liked the red rings of death. Although with Kinect it uses your joints or body fram to map your movement you you can hardly complain about wearingly slightly better fitting clothing. Although the other things are problems.

For one, the xbox is the only console that noms on games if you move it. No other console did that. Christ even the PS1 didn't do it. It's because they removed a component that keeps the disk of the scratchable surfaces inside to save money. The RRoD was also commonly linked to poor soldering, as the Xbox was classed as a toy, not an electrical. Also with kinect, it's kind of stupid that you can't wear baggy clothes to play it. I appreciate the issue they have, but causing you to either play naked or in new clothes (if you wear baggy clothes that is) seems like a problem they've found and couldn't be bothered to fix.

In short, they're just problems that mount up through speed designing it. This is where the competition between Xbox and PS3 becomes a little too much.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

For one, the xbox is the only console that noms on games if you move it. No other console did that. Christ even the PS1 didn't do it. It's because they removed a component that keeps the disk of the scratchable surfaces inside to save money. The RRoD was also commonly linked to poor soldering, as the Xbox was classed as a toy, not an electrical. Also with kinect, it's kind of stupid that you can't wear baggy clothes to play it. I appreciate the issue they have, but causing you to either play naked or in new clothes (if you wear baggy clothes that is) seems like a problem they've found and couldn't be bothered to fix.

In short, they're just problems that mount up through speed designing it. This is where the competition between Xbox and PS3 becomes a little too much.

Guess what else the xbox 360 is the only console that doesn't lock games into place all it has is a disk tray. Every other game console that used a disk has spun at less speed and locked discs into place. This is not a problem with the Wii because it spins at slower speed and not with the PS3 because you can install games. This is also not a problem with the Xbox either because guess what for waiting less than 5 minutes you can install the damn game. If you don't install the game and then proceed to have the console moved about a different axis to the one the disc is spinning you're looking for trouble.

Of course with Kinect it is stupid and yes it is a problem that they are not bother to fix because all Kinect really is at the moment is just a way to try make some quick money and get in on some of that Wii casual audience cash cow. It could be good I don't know it is not out yet but from the marketing that has been done around that is all it seems to be because of this things like it not working with baggy clothing will not probably not be fixed because that will cost more money.

On the RRoD I would like to point out that the max number of times I know someone having to resend their xbox back to Microsoft is 2 both being the editions with the shoddy chip sets. My xbox did not RRoD and it was a launch so I would have to say taking care of the xbox and keeping it well ventilated goes a long way to keeping it going. Also I would like to point out that some of those people would go through many different phones a year through dropping them.

 

[KaiRai]

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Guess what else the xbox 360 is the only console that doesn't lock games into place all it has is a disk tray. Every other game console that used a disk has spun at less speed and locked discs into place. This is not a problem with the Wii because it spins at slower speed and not with the PS3 because you can install games. This is also not a problem with the Xbox either because guess what for waiting less than 5 minutes you can install the damn game. If you don't install the game and then proceed to have the console moved about a different axis to the one the disc is spinning you're looking for trouble.

Of course with Kinect it is stupid and yes it is a problem that they are not bother to fix because all Kinect really is at the moment is just a way to try make some quick money and get in on some of that Wii casual audience cash cow. It could be good I don't know it is not out yet but from the marketing that has been done around that is all it seems to be because of this things like it not working with baggy clothing will not probably not be fixed because that will cost more money.

On the RRoD I would like to point out that the max number of times I know someone having to resend their xbox back to Microsoft is 2 both being the editions with the shoddy chip sets. My xbox did not RRoD and it was a launch so I would have to say taking care of the xbox and keeping it well ventilated goes a long way to keeping it going. Also I would like to point out that some of those people would go through many different phones a year through dropping them.

For the record, I've had my xbox chew a game up because it moved slightly when I plugged in my controller. It's a problem that never existed until the 360. Also, what about people who don't know how to install a game? I've had mine 5 years now and this is the first I'm hearing about it. Plus I only have a 20GB hard drive, that's mostly full of saves and updates.

I've had to send mine back twice because of the RRoD. It's just shoddy build quality. Think of a builder building you an extension and it falls to pieces a year or so later. Also, on the phones thing, I don't think the RRoD is caused by people dropping it.

 

[imgunagitusucka]

I bought a 360 about 6 months after they launched, 2 years later I had to send it for repair because of the E74 fault, since then I've had a cooling fan on it and have had no problems since.
I bought a slim a week after it launched (gave my old 360 to my sons) and while I was dissappointed and frankly perplexed that it came with the totally inadequate AV cable, I simply used my surround sound systems' HDMI cable from my TV to my slim and plugged in an optical cable from my sound system to my slim.
Bingo, HDMI gaming with surroound sound, no "certified MS" parts needed. The slim itself is as advertised, quiet, fast wireless connection and sexy as hell next to my all black TV and sound system.
To the people who have had upwards of 5 xboxs', I think you need to make sure your xbox is not enclosed at all within your entertainment unit. Mine sits atop, with space to breath on all sides, and have never even had them overheat, not once, and I play for 3-4 hours at a time and then hand it over to my boys who will play for a further 1-2 hrs.

 

[PhiMed]

You do know you can just plug it directly into your tv and have your tv run to sound system.

Not if

a) You use Turtle Beaches or stereo connected 'XBOX Compatible' gaming headphones

b) Your TV does not have Audio Out phono jacks

An HD television that doesn't have audio out? Does that exist?

It has headphones out, which is a single jack connection. Most gaming headsets use two connectors which I used to run through the component Av cable in the previous 360.

No stereo audio out? That can't be true. That would leave optical and HDMI as your only options for hooking it up to a receiver. Stop creating fictional televisions.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

For the record, I've had my xbox chew a game up because it moved slightly when I plugged in my controller. It's a problem that never existed until the 360. Also, what about people who don't know how to install a game? I've had mine 5 years now and this is the first I'm hearing about it. Plus I only have a 20GB hard drive, that's mostly full of saves and updates.

I've had to send mine back twice because of the RRoD. It's just shoddy build quality. Think of a builder building you an extension and it falls to pieces a year or so later. Also, on the phones thing, I don't think the RRoD is caused by people dropping it.

I wasn't saying the phone thing because they drop I said it to point out that they are kinda careless people when it comes to things like this. I also explained why this has problem has never exist until the 360. Higher spinning and no locking mechanism because it is only a disk tray and people not installing. Also installing is easy you click Y for game details go down to install and wait. Also it is worth having a psace just for installed games and 20 gb hard drive is really not enough if you go online and get updates and DLC. With my old xbox I never got updates and racked up over 10gb just by playing games and not getting any DLC just the odd forced update off a game so that is a limitation of a small hard drive. Really I do have to ask how have you not heard about the xbox adding an install feature? I know it didn't come with it from launch but it has been around for good while now.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Add to this the fact that the comically overpriced Kinect appears to be spouting up new issues every day such as not working for people wearing baggy clothes or - shock horror: sitting down! I mean, what kind of gamer likes to sit down, eh? Sheesh!

So what you're saying is that to fully play the Kinect properly you have to stand up and be naked. Bad imagery of naked people being active when playing it

*dangle dangle*

And now I'm wondering if the 'baggy clothes' will also be a problem for overweight people... a lot of gamers aren't the skinniest chaps.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

No stereo audio out? That can't be true. That would leave optical and HDMI as your only options for hooking it up to a receiver. Stop creating fictional televisions.

I already told you, it has a single jack audio out. And it's an LCD gaming/graphic design monitor, it's quite common for those, so don't be such a fucking smart ass.

There is scart which sends audio out, and a component red and white phono IN. The other red and white phono slots are ins for a camcorder.

 

[Tucker154]

I have my Xbox Pro,so I dont see any reason to buy the "slim".In my eyes, the slim is just another way to take peoples money,and for the problems,just remember the 360's release.Pretty pradictable that this would happen.

 

[Doc Theta Sigma]

Oh no. A company daring to try and make money. How dare they.

Honestly. Whining about this is just silly now. I've still got my original 360 from around four years ago. If you keep it well ventilated and don't knock it over while a game is running, it'll be fine. In other words follow the bloody operating instructions. If you don't like the new 360, don't buy one. They're not exactly putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy it are they? ¬¬

 

[Zing]

I don't want to tell you I told you so...bu-well okay I never told anyone that. But if I had been asked I would've called this.

That's what you get for buying an Xbox.

 

[Outcast107]

Lol migo is so fucking funny. IF YOU LIKE THE XBOX YOU ARE A FUCKING FANBOY YOU MORON! DUR HUR!

That's mostly what I got from all his post. Anyways, my dad got a slim and it hasn't broke down once, and is pretty nice and everything. Plus we got 3 month worth of free xbox live due to a problem we had with Gears of war 2 a while back (For some reason his account wouldn't play gears of war) So if they were all "evil" and "bastard" like the Sony fanboys are saying (Ex Migo) then I'm pretty sure they wouldn't even gave us free live time and just say
"Yeah..sorry but its your own damn problem"