What, you didn't get all the christian overtones in CoN? Seriously, analyze it from a christian perspective, it's like a fantasy version of the bible (or at least, a more blatantly obvious fantasy).Lucifus said:
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Yeh i got how the Lion was jesus and it made me laugh when "The White Witch" (normally a term used for good witches) was actually evil (and satan)and tempted people with sins of the mortal flesh (Sweetys). Its also why i hate the movie apart from everyone is happy-go-lucky and it makes me want to beat to death with a frying pan. However plugged in online also berates other Christian films if they are not made by their own company as its seen as a "dangerous misinterpretation of the bible".orannis62 said:
As a Christian myself, I understand the idea this Florida group is getting at. Let me play devil's advocate (an ironic choice of words) here and give everyone who keeps trying to say they're being "realistic" a little inconvenient truth (another ironic choice of words since that phrase comes from a bleeding heart liberal, and we all know how much liberals love Christians...).
There are some things in video games today that are being touted as fun and perfectly acceptable that shouldn't be. Drug use, killing innocent people, demon or devil worshiping, excessive pornographic content, these things are inundating the entertainment market and could definitely use some toning down, or at least to not be labeled as vital ingredients to make you popular, cool, or at least acceptable. You think that's being a prude? Well tough, truth's a *****. No, it's not up to the gaming industry to be on the lookout for every child's sensibility, but they could produce more games that don't make every protagonist an anti-hero.
But I can hear the mainstream whiners already winding up like a chorus of ambulance sirens, so fine here's the other side of the "let's be sensible" argument. While there is too much apathy in games lately to morally questionable content, we DON'T need a witch hunt here. Looking for trouble in games that are never meant to be played by people young enough to be swayed by their content due to being impressionable is stupid; it's like saying "Silence of The Lambs" should be banned because it might turn people into transsexual serial killers.
What's needed here isn't people banning games, but for people to take the age rating system on games seriously. Parents don't need to buy their eight year old Manhunt 2; their little snot goblin's sponge-like mind isn't ready to have to try to filter our content to be filed away in their minds under "not a good idea in real life".
This group is, unfortunately, a bunch of religious zealots who are only furthering the notion that all Christians are iron-fisted nazis and members of the thought police. They also, much like the anti-gun lobbyists, try to blame the company for the behavior of certain individuals who happen to abuse their products. They do need to shut up and more Christians need to tell them to shut up. But just remember that even an extremist's viewpoint has a grain of legitimacy to it. While every game that deals with a controversial issue shouldn't be yanked from the shelves, there should be more care taken as to who gets to play with it.
There are some things in video games today that are being touted as fun and perfectly acceptable that shouldn't be. Drug use, killing innocent people, demon or devil worshiping, excessive pornographic content, these things are inundating the entertainment market and could definitely use some toning down, or at least to not be labeled as vital ingredients to make you popular, cool, or at least acceptable. You think that's being a prude? Well tough, truth's a *****. No, it's not up to the gaming industry to be on the lookout for every child's sensibility, but they could produce more games that don't make every protagonist an anti-hero.
But I can hear the mainstream whiners already winding up like a chorus of ambulance sirens, so fine here's the other side of the "let's be sensible" argument. While there is too much apathy in games lately to morally questionable content, we DON'T need a witch hunt here. Looking for trouble in games that are never meant to be played by people young enough to be swayed by their content due to being impressionable is stupid; it's like saying "Silence of The Lambs" should be banned because it might turn people into transsexual serial killers.
What's needed here isn't people banning games, but for people to take the age rating system on games seriously. Parents don't need to buy their eight year old Manhunt 2; their little snot goblin's sponge-like mind isn't ready to have to try to filter our content to be filed away in their minds under "not a good idea in real life".
This group is, unfortunately, a bunch of religious zealots who are only furthering the notion that all Christians are iron-fisted nazis and members of the thought police. They also, much like the anti-gun lobbyists, try to blame the company for the behavior of certain individuals who happen to abuse their products. They do need to shut up and more Christians need to tell them to shut up. But just remember that even an extremist's viewpoint has a grain of legitimacy to it. While every game that deals with a controversial issue shouldn't be yanked from the shelves, there should be more care taken as to who gets to play with it.
Well, I guess there is a reason that EVERY title was given an esrb rating of M, with the exception of two which got by with a T. Really, this list seems ridiculous to me on how they rank absolutely everything, and I don't think that something with "inappropriate" content is always horrible for a child (with proper guidance of course).
I base this off the fact that I never have had any restrictions on what I can and can't watch, and I have never had any problems with idiotic behavior. Maybe that's just me though.
Besides, these people can go stick their arbitrary numbers onto whatever they want. It's not really hurting anyone, and it's good for a few laughs. For now.
I base this off the fact that I never have had any restrictions on what I can and can't watch, and I have never had any problems with idiotic behavior. Maybe that's just me though.
Besides, these people can go stick their arbitrary numbers onto whatever they want. It's not really hurting anyone, and it's good for a few laughs. For now.
I was surprised when I actually brought up the PDF and didn't actually see anything so bad about it.
Maybe if I'd gone in 'cold' I'd have had more to say, but it was put as tho it was a JAck Thompson level piece of insanity, apart from some exaggeration, all I can see is that they feel the need to put gay sex in a different category to sex.
They obviously feel people might like to know these things before they buy, and if it stops a few hundred kids getting Manhunt 2 and GTA IV for Xmas, I'm actually not that against it.
Sure the main text is a bit nutty, but the main chart seems fairly ok.
One thing tho, do we really have to warn kids about 'cartoon violence' and 'comic mischief'?
IF you kid is gonna run away crying that Mario ran into a wall, went flat and slid down it, before popping back into shape, it has WAY more problems that just a video game.
It's like the kid's movie that have a warning 'Contains MILD PERIL!'. If your kid can't handle a bit of mild peril, just don't ever let them have a book, cd, game, TV or movie ever. It's too dangerous!
I'm all for parents educating themselves about games, if it means they don't storm back to the store an hour later whining that GTA taught little Timmy the phrase 'big fat titties' and he won't stop saying it.
Sure it's somewhat obsessive about gay content, but apart from that, it might stop some Fox News stories over the next few months, I'm all for that!
Here's a question tho, should parents get the information about gay and lesbian content in a game? I think it should be there, and let the parent make a decision. I'm not anti gay at all, but I think it's the parent's right to choose how much of certain types of content their child is exposed to. IF they wish to enforce the whole 'sex is between a man and a woman' thing, fair enough, I think, soon as the kid gets to thinking age, he'll get online and educate himself or herself anyway.
Having said all this, the amount of alternative sexuality content in games is so minimal as to not be an issue anyway. I certainly wouldn't want to see 'Bully' classed as containing homosexual content, just because you can possibly kiss a boy.
GTA IV, when it's part of a mission, graphically discussed and played out, even tho there's no actual sex, not even kissing, I'd consider that still just worth mentioning as 'overall moderate sexual content'.
Bully, and The Sims, because you CAN take the game in a homosexual direction, does that make it worth a comment on the box? I really don't know the answer, and realise I've talked myself into a 'ummm..dunno' after all this.
I guess if Army of Two had lots of male kissing , shower scenes, and graphic discussions about what they were going to get up to that night after the mission, then I'd want it noted on the warning on the back of the box, as far as I can see tho, all the games listed, any gay content is either minor part, or a choice by the player.
Maybe if I'd gone in 'cold' I'd have had more to say, but it was put as tho it was a JAck Thompson level piece of insanity, apart from some exaggeration, all I can see is that they feel the need to put gay sex in a different category to sex.
They obviously feel people might like to know these things before they buy, and if it stops a few hundred kids getting Manhunt 2 and GTA IV for Xmas, I'm actually not that against it.
Sure the main text is a bit nutty, but the main chart seems fairly ok.
One thing tho, do we really have to warn kids about 'cartoon violence' and 'comic mischief'?
IF you kid is gonna run away crying that Mario ran into a wall, went flat and slid down it, before popping back into shape, it has WAY more problems that just a video game.
It's like the kid's movie that have a warning 'Contains MILD PERIL!'. If your kid can't handle a bit of mild peril, just don't ever let them have a book, cd, game, TV or movie ever. It's too dangerous!
I'm all for parents educating themselves about games, if it means they don't storm back to the store an hour later whining that GTA taught little Timmy the phrase 'big fat titties' and he won't stop saying it.
Sure it's somewhat obsessive about gay content, but apart from that, it might stop some Fox News stories over the next few months, I'm all for that!
Here's a question tho, should parents get the information about gay and lesbian content in a game? I think it should be there, and let the parent make a decision. I'm not anti gay at all, but I think it's the parent's right to choose how much of certain types of content their child is exposed to. IF they wish to enforce the whole 'sex is between a man and a woman' thing, fair enough, I think, soon as the kid gets to thinking age, he'll get online and educate himself or herself anyway.
Having said all this, the amount of alternative sexuality content in games is so minimal as to not be an issue anyway. I certainly wouldn't want to see 'Bully' classed as containing homosexual content, just because you can possibly kiss a boy.
GTA IV, when it's part of a mission, graphically discussed and played out, even tho there's no actual sex, not even kissing, I'd consider that still just worth mentioning as 'overall moderate sexual content'.
Bully, and The Sims, because you CAN take the game in a homosexual direction, does that make it worth a comment on the box? I really don't know the answer, and realise I've talked myself into a 'ummm..dunno' after all this.
I guess if Army of Two had lots of male kissing , shower scenes, and graphic discussions about what they were going to get up to that night after the mission, then I'd want it noted on the warning on the back of the box, as far as I can see tho, all the games listed, any gay content is either minor part, or a choice by the player.
I agree with this guy, games don't need to be 'banned' from an entire country because they fail to agree with some government's moronic view on what THA PUBLICS should be absorbing. But in that thread, the younger kids shouldn't be exposed to the extremes without an adult there to, in a casual way, explain what they are seeing is not normal human behaviour. Yes Danny, we shot that man, but he's a computer generated character.Mike Fang said:
That said, if I'm 18 or older, I should be allowed to view whatever the hell I want, as long as it isn't illegal.
While I disagree with them, I have to say they earned my respect in actually remembering more about the bible than just the "RAWR GAY IS BAD" message they always quote, and reminding people that Jesus's message is one of love and tolerance.
They stand with their views in a completely non-violent (verbally or physically) way, and seek to inform those who agree with them. The only thing I have with the list is that I find it a bit over-zealous at times (MGS4 glorifying smoking? Come on). Really, acknowledging that others can have different oppinions/views/lifestyles works both ways, and some of the posters in this topic may do well to remember that...
Wow, that's really assh*lish. "Alternative lifestyles"? I bet if there was a game where you could play as an atheist they would ban it for "corrupting youth's minds with lies" or something like that.
They mentioned sex refrences because of some of the achievement titles you can getorannis62 said:I'm thinking that's when Dom's dreaming about Maria and she's like "The kids are at my mother's and we've got the whole day to ourselves."Rezfon said:I like it how they managed to somehow come across sex refrences in gears 2
. I wonder if Jack Thompson is part of this group?
Okay, you know what. I am Christian, I'll say that but I liked Bioshock. Fallout 3 is one of the best games I have played in years.
One of things that I can't help noticing is that as you go down the list is that you see an M rating after an M rating after and M rating...
Why, pray tell are they harping one about all these M games being so mature. Thats what the M rating exists for.
I don't wanna fan the flames over whether they're right or wrong (no thank you, sir) but it seems that most of the report is moot. =/
EDIT: Anyone who can read into Army of Two and find homosexual undertones is obviously trying very hard to find them... >__>
One of things that I can't help noticing is that as you go down the list is that you see an M rating after an M rating after and M rating...
Why, pray tell are they harping one about all these M games being so mature. Thats what the M rating exists for.
I don't wanna fan the flames over whether they're right or wrong (no thank you, sir) but it seems that most of the report is moot. =/
EDIT: Anyone who can read into Army of Two and find homosexual undertones is obviously trying very hard to find them... >__>
Ok, so a year late to the party, but I just found this article now and would like to add something.
I think we should apply their system to the Bible. I haven't read the entire Bible, but I think I'm as familiar with it as they would be with the games they judged. Let's see how it would rate, shall we?
Sex: 2 - Although not always explicit, there are frequent mentions of sodomy, rape, and many husbands "knowing" their wives
Nudity: 1 - Early protagonists Adam and Eve are exhibitionists, but most of the rest of The Bible is nudity-free
Gay/Lesbian: 1 - Never directly mentioned, although there may be homosexual undertones. Lead character Jesus "loves his fellow man" for example.
Violence: 3 - Several gruesome depictions of brutal battles, stonings, tortures and executions, rivers turning to blood, the impending destruction of all life
Cartoon Violence: N/A
Language: 1 - "He who p*sseth against the wall" for example.
Comic Mischief: N/A
Drugs: N/A
Alcohol: 2 - At one point, so desperate for alochol for a feast, the character Jesus is said to "turn water into wine."
Tobacco: N/A
Gambling: 1 - A few references
Demonic: 2 - Some descriptions and references
(Game) Addiction: N/A - Although the Bible has many addicts, few of them spend very much time actually reading it.
Final Rating: 13
This makes The Bible slightly more acceptable than Fallout 3 or Manhunt 2 (both rated 14), but more reproachable than God of War 2 or The Darkness (both rated 11). Make good choices.
I think we should apply their system to the Bible. I haven't read the entire Bible, but I think I'm as familiar with it as they would be with the games they judged. Let's see how it would rate, shall we?
Sex: 2 - Although not always explicit, there are frequent mentions of sodomy, rape, and many husbands "knowing" their wives
Nudity: 1 - Early protagonists Adam and Eve are exhibitionists, but most of the rest of The Bible is nudity-free
Gay/Lesbian: 1 - Never directly mentioned, although there may be homosexual undertones. Lead character Jesus "loves his fellow man" for example.
Violence: 3 - Several gruesome depictions of brutal battles, stonings, tortures and executions, rivers turning to blood, the impending destruction of all life
Cartoon Violence: N/A
Language: 1 - "He who p*sseth against the wall" for example.
Comic Mischief: N/A
Drugs: N/A
Alcohol: 2 - At one point, so desperate for alochol for a feast, the character Jesus is said to "turn water into wine."
Tobacco: N/A
Gambling: 1 - A few references
Demonic: 2 - Some descriptions and references
(Game) Addiction: N/A - Although the Bible has many addicts, few of them spend very much time actually reading it.
Final Rating: 13
This makes The Bible slightly more acceptable than Fallout 3 or Manhunt 2 (both rated 14), but more reproachable than God of War 2 or The Darkness (both rated 11). Make good choices.
Non-gamers should not write about games. Non-gamers should not talk about games. Non-gamers should not be allowed any type of say in the video game community UNTIL THEY KNOW THEIR SHIT!
I'm willing to bet none of them played these games. These "undertones" are so minor that most adult gamers don't even notice them. And besides, if you're not sure if the content is appropriate, that's fine. Go and look it up and decide for yourself, DON'T go making bullshit lists on the internet that piss people off.
I'm willing to bet none of them played these games. These "undertones" are so minor that most adult gamers don't even notice them. And besides, if you're not sure if the content is appropriate, that's fine. Go and look it up and decide for yourself, DON'T go making bullshit lists on the internet that piss people off.
