Youtube Policy is changing the rules for monetize again! Chaos! PANIC! UPDATED AGAIN!!!!

[FalloutJack]

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Well, I felt it was repetitive, irritating, and condescending and someone agreed.

*Shrugs*

Anyway, if that's the case, I think it's good that Youtube gets shouted at, regardless. They're such a dim, tin-plated organization that needs to have their shit together. Shouting is like shaking a snowglobe. It's gets some activity going.

 

[Saelune]

This is not censorship. People are still more than welcome to create such content - they just wont get paid for it.

If you rely solely on your Youtube income to survive, then you've got bigger things to worry about than your "content haven". Perhaps getting a real job would be right up your alley.

Using the 'real job's argument is poor because this is a valid job as any other. The issue here is being stupid enough to put all your eggs in one basket and cry about it when the basket starts laying down some ground rules.

To be fair, dont most people put their eggs in one basket? A college degree is a pretty expensive basket, and I doubt most people are collecting more than one. A basket that isnt even guaranteed to get you any eggs to put in it.

I take metaphors too seriously...

 

[Saelune]

Actually, I reported him for causing a disturbance, and I'll keep it up 'till it stops. I don't think he'll last.

On-topic, is this Youtube being shit any worse than the way Youtube is always shit?

Who are we talking about? That sit-down dude? Oh, he's harmless.

Also in keeping with YouTube, MundaneMatt explains it best. Nothing will change because fuck-all has actually be changed. YouTube's policy has been in place and working for over a year, and no one cared/noticed. They only updated a small icon notification system that lets you see what's being monetized and what's not. But its been in practice for over a year, and none of the big names who are calling it an end to life, the universe and everything noticed a hit to their wallets.

Its all just a lot of beating the bush and drama. Boogie is fine. Defranco, TLR, the 40k Battle Report guys, MLP reactors, makeup artists, people popping pimples, FilthyFrank, everyone. They're ALL fine because they were fine for the last year, even without knowing it.

Then it was never ok. Its less scary to know nothing has "changed" ie they arent enforcing their own rules that well, but just because we only are aware of it now, doesnt make it retroactively ok.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

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But actually it does. Or at least, not as devastating as people are making it seem. Is it a poor policy? Sure. Is it going to be the end of Boogie and tens of trillions of other channels? Well no. Otherwise, it would have already happened.

Its like you got a splinter last year, and are just now wondering if its going to cause gangrene. If it was going to rot, it would have done so by now. You're in the clear.

And again, loads of people already knew about it. I did ever since MundaneMatt first reported it, and it wasn't a big deal to anyone. Its only became a big deal because Defranco made a video, and Boogie posted it was all over and he's never going to be able to survive and yadda yadda. It won't cause channels to implode and people aren't going to leave, because, not to repeat myself, they already would have by now.
YouTube's policies are the same now as they were last Sunday, last week, last month, in April, Valentine's Day and last Christmas. And somehow the big names survived without even knowing it.

 

[Fox12]

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But actually it does. Or at least, not as devastating as people are making it seem. Is it a poor policy? Sure. Is it going to be the end of Boogie and tens of trillions of other channels? Well no. Otherwise, it would have already happened.

Its like you got a splinter last year, and are just now wondering if its going to cause gangrene. If it was going to rot, it would have done so by now. You're in the clear.

And again, loads of people already knew about it. I did ever since MundaneMatt first reported it, and it wasn't a big deal to anyone. Its only became a big deal because Defranco made a video, and Boogie posted it was all over and he's never going to be able to survive and yadda yadda. It won't cause channels to implode and people aren't going to leave, because, not to repeat myself, they already would have by now.
YouTube's policies are the same now as they were last Sunday, last week, last month, in April, Valentine's Day and last Christmas. And somehow the big names survived without even knowing it.

You know, boogie bothers me. He can be a drama queen. I don't like H3H3 very much, but it's always refreshing to see their down to earth reaction to this kind of stuff. At least they don't act like the sky is falling.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

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To be fair, the poor man has had a hard life and has several known mental disorders, include panic attacks and probably some form of paranoia. So its not really his fault when he freaks out over something, because its a disorder. And that also doesn't mean what he's freaking out about isn't worth freaking out about. I mean hypochondriacs still do get sick and all...

But we must always see his fears through the lens of a disorder and with more than a few grains of salt.

 

[RaikuFA]

Actually, I reported him for causing a disturbance, and I'll keep it up 'till it stops. I don't think he'll last.

On-topic, is this Youtube being shit any worse than the way Youtube is always shit?

Who are we talking about? That sit-down dude? Oh, he's harmless.

Also in keeping with YouTube, MundaneMatt explains it best. Nothing will change because fuck-all has actually be changed. YouTube's policy has been in place and working for over a year, and no one cared/noticed. They only updated a small icon notification system that lets you see what's being monetized and what's not. But its been in practice for over a year, and none of the big names who are calling it an end to life, the universe and everything noticed a hit to their wallets.

Its all just a lot of beating the bush and drama. Boogie is fine. Defranco, TLR, the 40k Battle Report guys, MLP reactors, makeup artists, people popping pimples, FilthyFrank, everyone. They're ALL fine because they were fine for the last year, even without knowing it.

Except if you're just starting out and no one can see your videos because they keep pushing them away in favor of ad friendly content.

Also, YouTube red supports your favorite channels.

 

[Saelune]

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But actually it does. Or at least, not as devastating as people are making it seem. Is it a poor policy? Sure. Is it going to be the end of Boogie and tens of trillions of other channels? Well no. Otherwise, it would have already happened.

Its like you got a splinter last year, and are just now wondering if its going to cause gangrene. If it was going to rot, it would have done so by now. You're in the clear.

And again, loads of people already knew about it. I did ever since MundaneMatt first reported it, and it wasn't a big deal to anyone. Its only became a big deal because Defranco made a video, and Boogie posted it was all over and he's never going to be able to survive and yadda yadda. It won't cause channels to implode and people aren't going to leave, because, not to repeat myself, they already would have by now.
YouTube's policies are the same now as they were last Sunday, last week, last month, in April, Valentine's Day and last Christmas. And somehow the big names survived without even knowing it.

Its more like finding out that smoking causes cancer after not knowing and being a smoker for many years. We didnt always know smoking caused cancer. Doesnt mean it wasnt killing people before we found out.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Its more like finding out that smoking causes cancer after not knowing and being a smoker for many years. We didn't always know smoking caused cancer. Doesn't mean it wasn't killing people before we found out.

I think that's a little too much. This is hardly the death-toll of YouTube, and its certainly not a fatal infliction for channels. Its annoying, sure, but it'll blow over once people stop panicking.

 

[Saelune]

Its more like finding out that smoking causes cancer after not knowing and being a smoker for many years. We didn't always know smoking caused cancer. Doesn't mean it wasn't killing people before we found out.

I think that's a little too much. This is hardly the death-toll of YouTube, and its certainly not a fatal infliction for channels. Its annoying, sure, but it'll blow over once people stop panicking.

Youtube never wants to instill any confidence in me. They constantly make poor choices. And its probably more fatal than we know, but those channels are too small for any of us to notice. And Im probably placing Youtube as the cigarette company in that metaphor.

 

[Fox12]

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To be fair, the poor man has had a hard life and has several known mental disorders, include panic attacks and probably some form of paranoia. So its not really his fault when he freaks out over something, because its a disorder. And that also doesn't mean what he's freaking out about isn't worth freaking out about. I mean hypochondriacs still do get sick and all...

But we must always see his fears through the lens of a disorder and with more than a few grains of salt.

That's sad. I'm sorry to hear that. I can see how constant anxiety would mess with someone.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

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If we're going with cigarettes, I'd argue that YouTube content creators' own toxicity, drama and hatred for one another are the cigarettes, and that the cancer is them loosing their channels. I mean isn't DramaAltert, Leafy and all those prank channels way more a carcinogen to YouTube than any policy change?

And to expand the Metaphor, YouTube is closer to say public television. And all they're saying is stop having cigarettes in your shows and stop showing dudes smoking or you don't get paid, but you are still free to have smoking, but don't expect a paycheck.

 

[Saelune]

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If we're going with cigarettes, I'd argue that YouTube content creators' own toxicity, drama and hatred for one another are the cigarettes, and that the cancer is them loosing their channels. I mean isn't DramaAltert, Leafy and all those prank channels way more a carcinogen to YouTube than any policy change?

And to expand the Metaphor, YouTube is closer to say public television. And all they're saying is stop having cigarettes in your shows and stop showing dudes smoking or you don't get paid, but you are still free to have smoking, but don't expect a paycheck.

...and anti-smoking people also dont get paid.
And metaphors arent always a 1:1 thing. Most of those channels should be put down for being harassment, which doesnt have to be a blanket rule, but rather a case by case.

Everything in context, something these rules dont consider.

 

[FalloutJack]

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If we're going with cigarettes, I'd argue that YouTube content creators' own toxicity, drama and hatred for one another are the cigarettes, and that the cancer is them loosing their channels. I mean isn't DramaAltert, Leafy and all those prank channels way more a carcinogen to YouTube than any policy change?

And to expand the Metaphor, YouTube is closer to say public television. And all they're saying is stop having cigarettes in your shows and stop showing dudes smoking or you don't get paid, but you are still free to have smoking, but don't expect a paycheck.

...and anti-smoking people also dont get paid.
And metaphors arent always a 1:1 thing. Most of those channels should be put down for being harassment, which doesnt have to be a blanket rule, but rather a case by case.

Everything in context, something these rules dont consider.

And that's largely the problem with Youtube...apart from piss-poor coding and maintenance to make the site run right. They're not equipped (Read as 'smart enough or have the right manpower') to do anything except at broadstrokes, which is why they're a failure and - yes, I agree - anyone hoping to do a thing with a channel is going to get caught in those fat, stupid bristles.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

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No, I'm sorry but that's being hyperbolic. Its guidelines for content, that is all. And the majority of channels aren't going to care, and tons of them already do content within the guidelines anyway. You and I could start a channel tomorrow of us...I dunno, discussing the difference between Fallout Power Armor and 40k Power Armor, and it'd be fine. We could monetize and everything, because we wouldn't be breaking guidelines. And we'd make sure of that because the guidelines are published and known. And even if we get demonetized, there's an appeals process that is overseen by actual people and is on a case-by-case basis.

Sure, the loudest channels right now are frequently breaking the guidelines, but I think its a misunderstanding of the YouTube platform to assume ALL channels are going to get hit with strikes and demonetization.

Some people don't want to curse, or talk about politics or drama or show violence. And that's fine. We're all going to be perfectly fine.

 

[FalloutJack]

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I, personally, never even have the intention of making a channel. I'm just calling it like I see it, and from where I'm standing, we're pretty much talking po-tay-to and po-tah-to now. You say that, but you will inevitably find that there is someone who does wanna do things just so. Sure, I could be fine, potentially, but I'm not people. I'm just Jack, specifically FalloutJack. I can't speak for everyone or how it effects everyone. A large amount of people may be fine...but will they all? And even if we don't like whoever gets the short stick for personal reasons, is that actually fair? I wouldn't say so, objectively speaking. Your point of view makes a point, but I don't think it's all the point.

 

[RaikuFA]

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To be fair, the poor man has had a hard life and has several known mental disorders, include panic attacks and probably some form of paranoia. So its not really his fault when he freaks out over something, because its a disorder. And that also doesn't mean what he's freaking out about isn't worth freaking out about. I mean hypochondriacs still do get sick and all...

But we must always see his fears through the lens of a disorder and with more than a few grains of salt.

That's sad. I'm sorry to hear that. I can see how constant anxiety would mess with someone.

Yeah it's really bad. I mean I had a ducked up childhood but his is in a whole different league.

 

[CaitSeith]

Does that mean that Angry Joe will leave YouTube? He is certainly known for lots of swearing in his reviews. And the last time he was denied ad revenue he made a rant video saying he was being stopped from sharing the games experience with his audience, so he wouldn't make any videos about the games from that company. What is he going to do if he is obligated to choose between self-censoring his videos or lose all of his ad revenue?

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

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No. Joe is a YouTube Celebrity, emphasis on the YouTube part way more than the Celebrity part. His entire livelihood is based off his channel. He's not about to rage-quit from all that and become a tax lawyer or a night manager at Stuckey's. It may be harsh, but YouTube is playing hardball. If Boogie or Joe or Markiplier quit YouTube, within a year they're just another dude who used to be famous for something, without even the resurrection chance of a child actor in their 30s.

And as I've said before, these guidelines are nothing new, simply the notification system. So if Joe has been earning a living off YouTube all year without any problems, there aren't any problems.

 

[RaikuFA]

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No. Joe is a YouTube Celebrity, emphasis on the YouTube part way more than the Celebrity part. His entire livelihood is based off his channel. He's not about to rage-quit from all that and become a tax lawyer or a night manager at Stuckey's. It may be harsh, but YouTube is playing hardball. If Boogie or Joe or Markiplier quit YouTube, within a year they're just another dude who used to be famous for something, without even the resurrection chance of a child actor in their 30s.

And as I've said before, these guidelines are nothing new, simply the notification system. So if Joe has been earning a living off YouTube all year without any problems, there aren't any problems.

I've been saying this, but YouTube Red pays your favorite channels with your views. Probably why most people havent seen a change in their revenue. Only problem is the exclusive shows are shit.