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MaxTheReaper said:
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A bit scared.
But at least I don't live there so I won't have to witness the suffering of the American people first hand, as their infrastructure collapses and the constitution gets raped by religious extremists.
Hopefully the nuclear bombs won't work anymore by the time she decides to use them.
You mean day one?
I think they'll still be in operation, sadly.

This is why my answer is: Stay in America.

Much as I would hate it, it'd be the safest place from the bombs.

...Unless she's stupid enough to bomb her own country...
And she is.
We're not the only ones with the bombs though. In fact, we don't even have the most bombs. Russia does. We would all surely die.

I'd go to Australia, because everybody knows they'd be the only ones left. Although they'd be like WTF mate?
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
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A bit confused. Other than that, no change. Seriously, people mark her as some sort of disaster waiting to happen. I'd like to hear what she'd do with presidential power before I join this lynching party.
I think the fact that she keeps referring to socialism when talking about Obama as if it's a bad thing while running (or having run) a state that just hands its citizens money for continuing to breathe doesn't bode well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund
Socialism may be a good thing in certain countries, but that does not necessarily mean it will work here. Besides, I'm not very fond of socialism myself. There are good aspects to it, sure, but I think more capitalist than socialist works best.

And according to that Wikipedia article, that Fund was put into place by Jay Hammond, not Sarah Palin. Somehow I don't think that people would support anyone removing an amendment that gives them free money, Palin or otherwise.

I'd still like to hear what her presidencial policies are before I join you guys in the Palin-burning league.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Samurai Goomba said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
DrDeath3191 said:
A bit confused. Other than that, no change. Seriously, people mark her as some sort of disaster waiting to happen. I'd like to hear what she'd do with presidential power before I join this lynching party.
I think the fact that she keeps referring to socialism when talking about Obama as if it's a bad thing while running (or having run) a state that just hands its citizens money for continuing to breathe doesn't bode well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund
On the flip side, she may just end up doing exactly the same things as Obama while at the same time griping about how evil they are. So the end result might be the same.
If every state in America had the kind of ratio of natural resource wealth to population, that might work.

I'm just wondering how she's figuring she can give everyone a government handout like Alaska does by drilling the Ozarks as if they were the North Slope...lead isn't exactly the revenue producer that oil is, and considering Missouri is almost ten times the population of Alaska, well, I could see this getting ugly REAL quick unless every state has an ANWAR for her to 'drill baby drill'.

DrDeath3191 said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
DrDeath3191 said:
A bit confused. Other than that, no change. Seriously, people mark her as some sort of disaster waiting to happen. I'd like to hear what she'd do with presidential power before I join this lynching party.
I think the fact that she keeps referring to socialism when talking about Obama as if it's a bad thing while running (or having run) a state that just hands its citizens money for continuing to breathe doesn't bode well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund
Socialism may be a good thing in certain countries, but that does not necessarily mean it will work here. Besides, I'm not very fond of socialism myself. There are good aspects to it, sure, but I think more capitalist than socialist works best.

And according to that Wikipedia article, that Fund was put into place by Jay Hammond, not Sarah Palin. Somehow I don't think that people would support anyone removing an amendment that gives them free money, Palin or otherwise.

I'd still like to hear what her presidencial policies are before I join you guys in the Palin-burning league.
That's the problem--she really doesn't have actual polices, she's just got complaints. Best I can tell, she wants to decentralize the Federal government.

http://www.therightscoop.com/video-sarah-palin-interview-on-hannity-on-june-8-2009/
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/08/interview_with_sarah_palin_96928.html

Thing is, the states that like her the least would do best by her tax-wise:


Ironically, most of these high-paying states are the so-called blue states that have generally elected politicians who support a more steeply progressive tax system even though their own constituents bear a greater share of the burden as the code gets more progressive.

...

In fiscal year 2004, New Mexico, Alaska, West Virginia, Mississippi and North Dakota received substantially more from the federal government than they paid in taxes, while New Jersey, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota and Illinois paid much more in taxes than they received in spending.


http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/62.html
Well of course she has no presidential policies: she hasn't run for President.

I get that the vast majority of people on this site consider Palin less than fit for the position of President. That's fine: you're entitled to your opinion. However, I won't form mine until she actually starts running.
 

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I get that the vast majority of people on this site consider Palin less than fit for the position of President. That's fine: you're entitled to your opinion. However, I won't form mine until she actually starts running.
Isn't that kinda...ridiculous? Not to form an opinion on what kind of President someone would be until they run? It's not like we don't have her opinions on what the President should *do* so, why do we have to wait until the formal step of her putting her "if I were President, this is what I would do" statements into the form of "if you elect me President, I will do this" like you're Alex Trebek hosting Presidental Jeopardy, requiring people to put their answers in the form of a presidential policy as opposed to a declaration of their political opinion on what the President should be doing?

In other words, considering what we know of her political opinions as to the direction the President should take, isn't it just meaningless formalism to refrain from having an opinion on no other basis than the fact that those political opinions are not her explicit Presidential policies?
To be fair, many politicians flip stances on issues pretty drastically when it comes time for them to properly run for the office of President. See also: John McCain.

But I think we can safely say that Palin probably isn't clever enough to start championing opinions which people actually support.
 

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Fuck, I like it!
Free oil and nukes for everyone.

Seriously, I wouldn't care. I never got to know enough about her as a person because everyone was so busy bashing her. *shruh*. As long as I get my money and keep my freedoms, I'm fine.

What if I was just transported to a universe where an equally undeserving liberal was president? Oh, it wouldn't matter because everyone loves Democrats. Seriously, Hillary Clinton as president=fail. Big, Epic, Fail.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
DrDeath3191 said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
DrDeath3191 said:
I'd still like to hear what her presidencial policies are before I join you guys in the Palin-burning league.
That's the problem--she really doesn't have actual polices, she's just got complaints. Best I can tell, she wants to decentralize the Federal government.

Well of course she has no presidential policies: she hasn't run for President.
1) She ran for Vice-President, so it's not like she hasn't already asked us to consider her for the job of President--I don't think she ran because she thought she'd pass awesome tiebreaker votes in the Senate.

2) I didn't say she has "no presidential policies" I said she "really doesn't have actual polices, she's just got complaints."

I get that the vast majority of people on this site consider Palin less than fit for the position of President. That's fine: you're entitled to your opinion. However, I won't form mine until she actually starts running.
Isn't that kinda...ridiculous? Not to form an opinion on what kind of President someone would be until they run? It's not like we don't have her opinions on what the President should *do* so, why do we have to wait until the formal step of her putting her "if I were President, this is what I would do" statements into the form of "if you elect me President, I will do this" like you're Alex Trebek hosting Presidental Jeopardy, requiring people to put their answers in the form of a presidential policy as opposed to a declaration of their political opinion on what the President should be doing?

In other words, considering what we know of her political opinions as to the direction the President should take, isn't it just meaningless formalism to refrain from having an opinion on no other basis than the fact that those political opinions are not her explicit Presidential policies?
I don't think it's ridiculous. Seeing how low her approval ratings are, it's unlikely that she'll run at all. So why bother thinking about an issue we have to wait four years for to see if it will even concievably happen. Besides that, the times will change, as will situations. For all we know, Palin could very well solve a problem that we haven't seen yet. I don't want to jump to any conclusions quite yet.

And I'll admit that I'm not an avid watcher of the news, so you may have the upper hand on what Palin's complaints/policies/whatever are. I rarely pay attention to news outlets (biased in both directions as they are), so pardon me for not knowing much.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Samurai Goomba said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
I get that the vast majority of people on this site consider Palin less than fit for the position of President. That's fine: you're entitled to your opinion. However, I won't form mine until she actually starts running.
Isn't that kinda...ridiculous? Not to form an opinion on what kind of President someone would be until they run? It's not like we don't have her opinions on what the President should *do* so, why do we have to wait until the formal step of her putting her "if I were President, this is what I would do" statements into the form of "if you elect me President, I will do this" like you're Alex Trebek hosting Presidental Jeopardy, requiring people to put their answers in the form of a presidential policy as opposed to a declaration of their political opinion on what the President should be doing?

In other words, considering what we know of her political opinions as to the direction the President should take, isn't it just meaningless formalism to refrain from having an opinion on no other basis than the fact that those political opinions are not her explicit Presidential policies?
To be fair, many politicians flip stances on issues pretty drastically when it comes time for them to properly run for the office of President. See also: John McCain.
And many flip when it comes time for them to properly exercise the office of President: See also: Barack Obama. So this kind of logic would require us not to have an opinion on what kind of President a person would make until they're actually President.
Well, yeah, I'm not trying to say that we shouldn't be able to form opinions about people based on what they say, do and support. I'm just noting that politicians tend to lie quite a bit, so building expectations on anything they say can backfire. Like you said, See Also: Barack Obama. I'm a conservative/Libertarian in most respects, and I'm absolutely shocked at how little he's been doing. I realize he's got a lot of opposition to deal with, but he's not really giving me much to work with (with regard to enacting policies or trying to fix economic problems). I'm not sure what to think about him.
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Yeah, that's the thing--I really don't think Palin is going to flip so far that the reasons we think she'd make a horrible president are going to go away.

And I really don't think her announcing Presidential policies is going to change much--even if by some fluke she's going to not be so batshit insane in her actual performace, I think she's going to run on the same nutbag routine she's pulling now about death panels and socialism.
Yeah, usually people don't suck less simply because they change stances on an issue. That was the big thing for me with McCain. If anything, it makes them less trustworthy.

But considering how the name Sarah Palin was become something of a punch line, I don't see the GOP nominating her. I think the GOP will probably start dealing more with societal issues and economics for the next election, since that was where they were weak. No matter what anyone says about Obama, he is good at telling people what they need to hear.

'Course, the way the GOP has been going, I wouldn't expect them to actually learn from their mistakes.
 

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I'd stock up on swords and horses and build a castle surrounded by farmland, seeing as the country will have uninvented electricity.
I'd probably join the liberal resistance that would strategically attack Wal*Marts, now heavily armed strongholds of the Palin administration. It might be fun, in a post-apocalyptic sort of way.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
DrDeath3191 said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
DrDeath3191 said:
I'd still like to hear what her presidencial policies are before I join you guys in the Palin-burning league.
That's the problem--she really doesn't have actual polices, she's just got complaints. Best I can tell, she wants to decentralize the Federal government.

Well of course she has no presidential policies: she hasn't run for President.
1) She ran for Vice-President, so it's not like she hasn't already asked us to consider her for the job of President--I don't think she ran because she thought she'd pass awesome tiebreaker votes in the Senate.

2) I didn't say she has "no presidential policies" I said she "really doesn't have actual polices, she's just got complaints."

I get that the vast majority of people on this site consider Palin less than fit for the position of President. That's fine: you're entitled to your opinion. However, I won't form mine until she actually starts running.
Isn't that kinda...ridiculous? Not to form an opinion on what kind of President someone would be until they run? It's not like we don't have her opinions on what the President should *do* so, why do we have to wait until the formal step of her putting her "if I were President, this is what I would do" statements into the form of "if you elect me President, I will do this" like you're Alex Trebek hosting Presidental Jeopardy, requiring people to put their answers in the form of a presidential policy as opposed to a declaration of their political opinion on what the President should be doing?

In other words, considering what we know of her political opinions as to the direction the President should take, isn't it just meaningless formalism to refrain from having an opinion on no other basis than the fact that those political opinions are not her explicit Presidential policies?
I dunno. If I had known at the time that Obama was going to stack a lot of his administration with the types of people that he has (too many Clintonistas), I would not have voted for him. All that "hope and change" stuff went out the window. I guess what I am saying is a majority of their political opinion is hype and you have to weed a lot of it out, especially during campaigns where they tend to pander... a lot. Remember, a president relies heavily on their administration- in effect you are essentially voting for more than one person. In my opinion I am not sure how Palin would be as a president- I mean who knows? She could give a lot of bullshit opinions, yet fill her staff up with great talent, and club her way in to being a decent president.
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Samurai Goomba said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
DrDeath3191 said:
A bit confused. Other than that, no change. Seriously, people mark her as some sort of disaster waiting to happen. I'd like to hear what she'd do with presidential power before I join this lynching party.
I think the fact that she keeps referring to socialism when talking about Obama as if it's a bad thing while running (or having run) a state that just hands its citizens money for continuing to breathe doesn't bode well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund
On the flip side, she may just end up doing exactly the same things as Obama while at the same time griping about how evil they are. So the end result might be the same.
If every state in America had the kind of ratio of natural resource wealth to population, that might work.

I'm just wondering how she's figuring she can give everyone a government handout like Alaska does by drilling the Ozarks as if they were the North Slope...lead isn't exactly the revenue producer that oil is, and considering Missouri is almost ten times the population of Alaska, well, I could see this getting ugly REAL quick unless every state has an ANWAR for her to 'drill baby drill'.

DrDeath3191 said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
DrDeath3191 said:
A bit confused. Other than that, no change. Seriously, people mark her as some sort of disaster waiting to happen. I'd like to hear what she'd do with presidential power before I join this lynching party.
I think the fact that she keeps referring to socialism when talking about Obama as if it's a bad thing while running (or having run) a state that just hands its citizens money for continuing to breathe doesn't bode well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund
Socialism may be a good thing in certain countries, but that does not necessarily mean it will work here. Besides, I'm not very fond of socialism myself. There are good aspects to it, sure, but I think more capitalist than socialist works best.

And according to that Wikipedia article, that Fund was put into place by Jay Hammond, not Sarah Palin. Somehow I don't think that people would support anyone removing an amendment that gives them free money, Palin or otherwise.

I'd still like to hear what her presidencial policies are before I join you guys in the Palin-burning league.
That's the problem--she really doesn't have actual polices, she's just got complaints. Best I can tell, she wants to decentralize the Federal government.

http://www.therightscoop.com/video-sarah-palin-interview-on-hannity-on-june-8-2009/
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/08/interview_with_sarah_palin_96928.html

Thing is, the states that like her the least would do best by her tax-wise:


Ironically, most of these high-paying states are the so-called blue states that have generally elected politicians who support a more steeply progressive tax system even though their own constituents bear a greater share of the burden as the code gets more progressive.

...

In fiscal year 2004, New Mexico, Alaska, West Virginia, Mississippi and North Dakota received substantially more from the federal government than they paid in taxes, while New Jersey, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota and Illinois paid much more in taxes than they received in spending.


http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/62.html
I am not sure about that. Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't Illinois by itself put more in than it takes out just by population alone? I mean compared to the rest of the states you mentioned? Plus, you have to factor in who's getting paid and for what by federal moneys. If it's things like agricultural subsidies, military defense, large amounts of federal employees (like in virginia), etc. well, it kind of skews the stats. Also, you have to remember a great deal of the blue/red state stuff is flawed anyways. It would be a hell of a lot more precise if people went by red and blue counties. California may be considered a blue state, but that is only because of three or four large cities. Otherwise the rest of the counties in California are generally red so to speak.