oh and could anyone be nice enough to make me an icon from this ZP where it has Snow and the word TWAT? I'll love you forever!!!
Zero Punctuation: Final Fantasy XIII
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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Oh no! He hated a game I like a lot (love is too strong a work, but we can still be friends)! He must have misinterpreted his own opinion!
Nah, it's cool. He's a notorious JRPG hater and the game is pretty much the new definition of linear so I'm not shocked in the review. Hell, the first five hours are some of the worst to review because you spend way too much time with just 'attack' and 'blitz' in your combat inventory. When you get to shift paradigms and choose their settings, not to mention Hope loses his ability to use his boomerang in favor of magic, things start fitting much better. Ah well, par for the course. It is a shame he chose to review the game the week the Mana Bar opens though.
I am curious what his problem with the databases are though. Everything important to the plot in there is fleshed out in-game as well. I should add that anything not-covered in game is like the Mass Effect codex stuff in-game as well. I mean, without that codex understanding the Asari, the Batarians or even the weapons isn't really easy.
Nah, it's cool. He's a notorious JRPG hater and the game is pretty much the new definition of linear so I'm not shocked in the review. Hell, the first five hours are some of the worst to review because you spend way too much time with just 'attack' and 'blitz' in your combat inventory. When you get to shift paradigms and choose their settings, not to mention Hope loses his ability to use his boomerang in favor of magic, things start fitting much better. Ah well, par for the course. It is a shame he chose to review the game the week the Mana Bar opens though.
I am curious what his problem with the databases are though. Everything important to the plot in there is fleshed out in-game as well. I should add that anything not-covered in game is like the Mass Effect codex stuff in-game as well. I mean, without that codex understanding the Asari, the Batarians or even the weapons isn't really easy.
never played FF6, my first "FF" was number 9.
i have been told by many that 9 is the best in the series if only due to the fact that it was a "remake" (for lack of a better word) of FF1. I have No Opinion on that though
Though, i particularly remember that when I fought the final boss, everyone in my party died except Zidane (main character) and he was "confused" (ie, i could not control him) and it took two hours, and i took control 6 times (for about 10 seconds each) and I STILL WON!
i have been told by many that 9 is the best in the series if only due to the fact that it was a "remake" (for lack of a better word) of FF1. I have No Opinion on that though
Though, i particularly remember that when I fought the final boss, everyone in my party died except Zidane (main character) and he was "confused" (ie, i could not control him) and it took two hours, and i took control 6 times (for about 10 seconds each) and I STILL WON!
LMAO, good god that was funny! Funnier than his usual stuff. I think his most important point is that the game takes about 20 hours to get good. That settles it for me, I think I'll skip this one!
Good Review, but five hours, really? On the other hand I suppose that if the first twenty hours suck then it doesn't matter.
Ha, yeah, I totally agree with both of you. Good posts.geizr said:
Anyway, of course I'm not surprised that Yahtzee didn't like FFXIII. I did... in fact I absolutely loved it. I'm tempted to write a vitriolic response about why it's awesome and why everyone who doesn't like it is missing out, but (ironically) this probably isn't the best place for that, since I would only be tiresomely predictable.
Shocked to find that Mr Croshaw did, in fact, enjoy FFVI, though it is an opinion I share with him, then... FFVI was an excellent game, very enjoyable, and I have said before that it is my favourite in the series. My opinion on the decline of the series does not represent quite as steep a graph as his, but... yes, the many-minutes-long summon things going on and on (and being ruddy Unskippable!) was to the detriment of the later games. If you add something like that, for the love of all that is good and just allow skipping it.
Not played any of the FF games since... nine, I believe. Which was better than 8, slightly less good than 7, and far lesser than 6. Oh, and by the way, everyone in the world, do yourself a favour and listen to the soundtrack of Final Fantasy VI. It is AMAZING, made even more so by the fact that it's a SNES game.
Not played any of the FF games since... nine, I believe. Which was better than 8, slightly less good than 7, and far lesser than 6. Oh, and by the way, everyone in the world, do yourself a favour and listen to the soundtrack of Final Fantasy VI. It is AMAZING, made even more so by the fact that it's a SNES game.
I payed very careful attention to the plot of God of War III, and had a discussion with a friend about this. Anything but Gods killing Gods is ludicrous. I didn't say he didn't like games. But he has said several times that he dislikes JRPGs with the exception of Earthbound, and another really old game I forget, probably FF4, back when the Final Fantasy's starred total badasses like Yang and Kain.Father Time said:
And you don't consider a 10 hour game being padded out to 50 hours to be a bad thing? I personally didn't even make it to the 5 hour mark before I became exceedingly happy I had used a free rental to play the game instead of actually purchasing it, myself.nicodeemus327 said:
However that said, I said above my main thought on the matter of the games slow beginning and it bears repeating: I can take a slow start if it is entertaining. I actually rather prefer a slower start if it is a game world that is atmospheric and interesting to me because it gives me time to explore this new and entertaining little world. However couple the fact that you've seen this intro before more or less if you have played FFVII and that the game really isn't terribly interactive beyond the rather tedious combat mechanics, and you get a game that I just didn't enjoy.
And that's really the thing to me. It doesn't present an interesting gameworld to make up for the pacing.
I agree in most of what Yahtzee said, but the worst part is that Final Fantasy is a freakin never-ending-milking-Cow since there's a good bunch of fans that always want the next one...
I have to agree, the start of the game is mostly auto battle, FFX2 was much more fun since the response was quick and immediate, this game was fun on the first fight since it seemed location and timing was important, though it became an illusion after first few mini bosses. I have only got up to Shiva thus far (which kinda is an induedo, sisters leg locked while a guy is sitting on the leg locked motor cycle... ya...).
Hope = Shinji, I think.
One major complaint is the scene that Snow leaves to Pulse thing, that scene dragged out soooooo longer than it needed to, and made me wonder if RPG's are ever going to evolve from that crappy filler. It also felt more like an anime RPG than a game at times.
Vanille... I tend to like Rikku types but this one made me really want to punch her, shut up and let me enjoy the scenery! lol
Hope = Shinji, I think.
One major complaint is the scene that Snow leaves to Pulse thing, that scene dragged out soooooo longer than it needed to, and made me wonder if RPG's are ever going to evolve from that crappy filler. It also felt more like an anime RPG than a game at times.
Vanille... I tend to like Rikku types but this one made me really want to punch her, shut up and let me enjoy the scenery! lol
When he said three disc I knew right away that he got the 360 version. The graphics of 360 version is dumb down so Square Enix can fit it on 3 disc.
I plan on waiting for the Final Fantasy Versus XIII and the get the collectors edition which would include Final Fantasy XIII.
Final Fantasy VI is a great game. They should remake it again rather than attempting to remake Final Fantasy VII which they say they are planning to do.
I plan on waiting for the Final Fantasy Versus XIII and the get the collectors edition which would include Final Fantasy XIII.
Final Fantasy VI is a great game. They should remake it again rather than attempting to remake Final Fantasy VII which they say they are planning to do.
I don't find it any different when they're 2D sprites, I just like JRPGs, admittedly my favorite was FF4, and I found Cecil the 2nd most irritating character in gaming history. Sure Edward was bit of a sissy, but he was a bard, that's just what you get. I spent the whole game wishing I could play as Kain and his army. Also, I haven't gotten around to 6 because I am of a younger generation, and I just recently got 4, so please avoid spoilers. I'm planning on getting the rerelease on the GBA after con season is over.nicodeemus327 said:
Even if we get past the slow start, simply having 30 hours of gameplay, or whatever arbitrary number we attach to the game length, the slow start is indicitive of the fact that the game story is slowly paced and not very engaging. I want to say that the rising action takes way too long but it seems somewhat of a stretch to call it either rising or action.nicodeemus327 said:
To me it adds nothing new, seems rather samey, and perhaps most importantly, it doesn't seem like much of a game. The gameplay seems to consist mostly of carting characters from fight to fight occasionally having to listen to them spout confusing and poorly-written (or perhaps simply poorly-translated) dialogue. This is part of the point I'm getting at an it is in fact perhaps the most important point - if you are going to have a slow story you had best have some engaging elements of gameplay to act as sufficiently entertaining filler.