Zero Punctuation: Metal Gear Solid 4

[Magugag]

Yahtzee is as mercurial as a whimsical pixie! It's his wily nature.

And as for 4E, who the hell needs rules to roleplay? Diplomacy and Bluff are still in, and those are the only rules that I see as pertinent to the experience of interaction and roleplay. Have you given it a chance?

 

[D_987]

And thats the logic that has helped to kill his credibility. Its no longer he is a fine reviewer because he does not give a damn about what others think and just sticks to his guns, apparently respectability kills off a persons integrity on the quickfast.

He's not caving to the peer pressure of countless 10/10 reviews from other sites and rapid Metal Gear fans, and that makes him a sellout?

I'm confused.



It must depend on which peer pressure you cave to. Again, we're back to the simple fact that you don't like Yahtzee anymore because he beat up on your favorite game.

exactly, a fanboy can't take it, yet I bet he was the first to brag about Halo being shot down to any 360 fanboys. There games people...not real...

 

[yzzlthtz]

final fantasy? dungeons and dragons? shut up!

and stop giving Yahtzee breaks.

this is his first review that is at least 90% fail.
and it follows up with a ninja gaiden preview.
he is at this moment, no doubt, walking around with a bag full of white-and-green condoms for all the 360 fanboys who want to ravenously suck his dick.

 

[SirSchmoopy]

Also on 4E, no, it just took out all the rules that make it so you can actually role play and killed it.

Heres a quick tip on Dungeons and Dragons. The rules are more or less guidelines.

 

[TerraMGP]

And thats the logic that has helped to kill his credibility. Its no longer he is a fine reviewer because he does not give a damn about what others think and just sticks to his guns, apparently respectability kills off a persons integrity on the quickfast.

He's not caving to the peer pressure of countless 10/10 reviews from other sites and rapid Metal Gear fans, and that makes him a sellout?

I'm confused.

It must depend on which peer pressure you cave to. Again, we're back to the simple fact that you don't like Yahtzee anymore because he beat up on your favorite game.

Hes selling out the other direction, to the Indie crowd, to the gamers who reject the mainstream. Hes trying to cater to them by tearing the snot out of games that are popualr for The sake of doing it. And again get off this stupid yatzee fanboy crap about me not liking him because he ripped on a game I like. He ripped on ALOT of games I like, its the flipflopping I have issues with

Yahtzee is as mercurial as a whimsical pixie! It's his wily nature.

And as for 4E, who the hell needs rules to roleplay? Diplomacy and Bluff are still in, and those are the only rules that I see as pertinent to the experience of interaction and roleplay. Have you given it a chance?

Yeah... if thats all you ever used then I'm sure pen and paper MMO will be fine for you. Some of us on the other hand don't want that poorly written crap at our table.

 

[Mstrswrd]

Well, that was a great review, and I particularly enjoyed the comment about Fanfiction writers. Also, question. Am I the only person who finds this story easy to follow? I'm not joking, The story makes sense to me, completely and totally.

 

[TerraMGP]

Also on 4E, no, it just took out all the rules that make it so you can actually role play and killed it.

Heres a quick tip on Dungeons and Dragons. The rules are more or less guidelines.

Yes, in the case of 4E poorly written guidelines that turn it into some bland WoW clone. The game is just bad.

 

[shadow skill]

Mspencer how do you explain complaints about the controls centered around things that are blatantly inaccurate? How do you explain "lack of emphasis on stealth..and game breaking super gun.." when the gun in question really doesn't take out people in one hit immedeatly unless you get them in the head, and doesn't have infinite ammo. (though you can buy as much as you like when you gain access to Drebin.) How do you explain that? Instead of crying about fanboy this and fanboy that explain those things first.

 

[Magugag]

Yeah... if thats all you ever used then I'm sure pen and paper MMO will be fine for you. Some of us on the other hand don't want that poorly written crap at our table.

Haha, funny. Another personal attack! See, no. When my gaming group roleplays, you see, we actually roleplay. Not LARPing, but our characters discuss things and react as we expect our characters to. If you need some dice rolling guidlines to do adequate roleplay, fine! But I myself always found roleplay thrived best when outside the constraints of silly rules. The occasional bluff or diplomacy check? Fine, that works, but beyond that why do you need rules to tell you how a character you made up would act in a roleplaying situation? I write my own stories, my players decide their own reactions and add to the story in this manner. I find it actually helps cut out contrived scenes and poorly written schlock. Just my preference.

Now if you're dungeon crawling, sure, and if you're more hack & slash, definitely rules will come in handy when it's time for some creativity. 'Nuff said.

Speaking of which! I would like to give Hideo his props where originality is concerned, at least. The goofy morals and silly scenes aside, Metal Gear Solid is indeed at least an original premise that isn't really afraid to add odd things in. That's the sort of thing that got me admiring FLCL and I may be a little unfair in utterly criticizing his ideas and storytelling method.

 

[VMerken]

That drastically? and always to the side where he is in opposition? Seems way too coincidental.

Flipflopping occurs through experience. Such experience could be the fact that this type of animated reviewing scores much more traffic if it is controversial (for proof, just take a look at the MGS4 8/10 review on eurogamer.net, which has 2200+ replies and counting .

Keep in mind that Yahtzee is creating a product, which nets him $$$ if it keeps scoring enough traffic for this website. As such, it is only natural to flipflop into a "reviewer's stance" which keeps the $$$ coming, no?

and no he has not been consistent. He USED to be consistent until his reviews started to be more about bashing the game and less about reviewing it.

Well, thus he became consistent in bashing the game . By the way, ZP and "video game reviews" have never been about "reviewing" a game. They are opinion pieces with interspersed more or less objective truths about content and/or gameplay, nothing more, nothing less ("bashing games" is thus also a "review" within this context). I don't read these "reviews" or watch ZP for a professional assessment of a product, I read or watch them to enjoy myself and gauge their contents with my own experiences.

What I'm trying to say is: don't take video game reviews seriously, as they aren't serious to begin with.

 

[TerraMGP]

We roleplay too, but those skills end up being a reflection of our characters abilities. they help ADD to it.Roleplay roleplay is very good but taking those skills out still hurts it especially for newer players.

and no he has not been consistent. He USED to be consistent until his reviews started to be more about bashing the game and less about reviewing it.

And yes, I realize he is creating a product, and he is letting more and more of his convictions about games, at least from what his work and his earlier videos have shown us, color that product to make it so more people will like it. Hence the DEFINITION of selling out. And yes you can sell out to the Indie crowd, Hell what is hot topic?

 

[Blayze]

Hmm. Redundant dialogue? Overall pointlessness? General crappiness? So it's basically the game version of CAD?

 

[teknoarcanist]

Down, fanboys! I love the mgs series and own every single one, but only a damn idiot couldn't understand why some people don't like it. It comes to your tastes in games.
That said, the core engine is ten years old, so...yeah.

 

[Magugag]

Ugh, I'd love to discuss this further, but if I get too off-topic I'ma get yelled at. Just let me end by asking you what skills they took out?? When I look at what they had in 3E and the skills in 4E, those that pertain to personality and skill with people are still in. Intimidate, Bluff, Diplomacy, Insight (takes the place of Sense Motive) etc. Skills seem pretty well covered and the new skill challenge system helps encourage roleplaying. I guess I just don't see your gripe.

 

[Nadsat]

Such angry, angry flaming
Gawd bless you Yahtzee for your God-given ability to make nerds rage

 

[TerraMGP]

Then you never will, and this is why D&D is just going to end up keeling over and dying.I would have to get way too off topic to explain how useful those skills were and how MORE would have helped even with low rolling roleplay.

 

[tratorix]

I personally prefer Yahtzee bashing games. Most reviewers seem to try so hard to be objective that they fail to point out the things that are wrong with the game. Note the Gamespot MGS4 review, which said absolutely nothing bad about it except that it might confuse people who haven't played the previous games. They don't point out any flaws, just what the game does right, then assign an arbitrary number score.