The Trump Who Stole Christmas. Trump tanks Stimulus Talks, No COVID-19 Relief= Millions Lose Access to Food, Shelter and Medicine

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I agree that something is better than nothing, the problem is that Trump thinks that if he gives this something, it somehow makes up for everything he just took away from them by stopping the talks instead of telling the GOP to pass the damn bill that the house already passed instead. Trump thinks that this makes up for making people become homeless, it does not.

You have to understand that this is meant to " be in place of" meaning it will not stop the 30-40 million evictions or even slow them at this point. I am addressing the fact that more money isn't coming at all at this point. Trump is doing this and then saying " okay we took care of the poor now e can forget about them. People have to keep that in mind when looking at the context here. If they passed the $400 that means nothing else would come at all, period. It means they can give up any hope of more coming. That is the context I am looking at here. It is just enough to keep them from qualifying for welfare but not enough to survive. Taking that money meant they were guaranteeing the 30-40 million evictions would still happen and no more help would come all the while giving trillions to the already wealthy who are not at risk of homelessness. If they could take the money and know more help was actually coming for the unemployed, that would have made a huge difference here, but that wasn't the GOP offer in the first place. They were making it the ONLY help, and that is where the problem lies. Many are better off qualifying for TANF, welfare, Medicaid and other programs, which this money would then prevent them from doing so while still forcing them to become homeless in the process. It is sort of like the poisoned apple..
I mean, do you think he's not gonna just forget about them anyways here. It's not a matter of him remembering them, it's a matter of public perception for him only really.

Does this money disqualify them from TANF etc? That would be an issue, sure. But people could use this money and it will make a large difference for some.
 
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Would be awfully swell if you'd find a graph that covered 2009 - 2020, you know, the years that Obama and Tramp were actually in office?
I was going to make a comment but this one summed it up. Just wanted to make sure this was repeated

Edit: just want to be clear. No Trump didn't create the housing crisis. He exacerbated it. Similar to how Trump didn't create MS-13. That was Reagan. But he isnt making the problem better and making it way worse for innocent people
 
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Did... did you seriously use a pre-recession housing cost graph for this argument? You’re not even wrong, but holy shit is that the dumbest way to make this argument.
Yes, because he is saying the problem existed prior to both of them. Then you have to look at what actions both presidents took to address the problem and you see that at least Obama tried to do something to help it, Trump OTOH, intentionally took actions to make it worse.

I am not in any way saying Obama did enough to combat it, but at least he tried to do something and had reduced homelessness , which is still a huge improvement over Trump's disgusting malicious actions instead.
 
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I mean, do you think he's not gonna just forget about them anyways here. It's not a matter of him remembering them, it's a matter of public perception for him only really.

Does this money disqualify them from TANF etc? That would be an issue, sure. But people could use this money and it will make a large difference for some.
Yea, the money will disqualify people from receiving other benefits,. especially in states like Texas where you can only make such a small amount to even still qualify. Either they need to give them enough to keep them in their homes or make sure this drop in the bucket will not interfere with their ability to receive help by other means. They have to actually write that into the executive order, bill they pass that this money cannot be used to disqualify them from SSI, SSDI, TANF, Medicaid, Welfare, SNAP, Bill Assistance and other programs or it will be held against them. Trump isn't going to do that though either,. so it screws them either way.
 
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I was going to make a comment but this one summed it up. Just wanted to make sure this was repeated

Edit: just want to be clear. No Trump didn't create the housing crisis. He exacerbated it. Similar to how Trump didn't create MS-13. That was Reagan. But he isnt making the problem better and making it way worse for innocent people
So much this. Even worse, his ' one off checks like this" even make it worse when people are denied more consistent help due to accepting it at all right now when it causes their applications to be rejected. The very weak and limited safety net in the US even holds people loaning and giving you money when you are homeless against you, it is that bad. When I tried to get my Dad SSI assistance when he was waiting to be approved for disability after his second stroke, they even counted me and my sister paying their bills while not living with them as " income" they used against him, and said that the way they count that is they expect us to be able to keep paying all their bills because we did so at all. ANY money paying for anything for them via charity, bill assistance programs, anything was used against them as " expected income" even though it was a one off thing. My dad was receiving care at the hospital under a hospital charity, so they used that against him as well, I wound up having to sell my own home to keep them in theirs and me having to move into a small apartment due to that being the only way to keep them from becoming homeless after exhausting my own savings trying to pay to keep my home and their farm at the same time. People really do not understand how bad it is until they have to actually try to go through the process, then you finally understand how they are making all these people homeless due to how bad it actually is.
 
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Yea, the money will disqualify people from receiving other benefits,. especially in states like Texas where you can only make such a small amount to even still qualify. Either they need to give them enough to keep them in their homes or make sure this drop in the bucket will not interfere with receive help by other means. They have to actually write that into the executive order, bill they pass that this money cannot be used to disqualify them from SSI, SSDI, TANF, Medicaid, Welfare, SNAP, Bill Assistance and other programs or it will be held against them. Trump isn't going to do that though either,. so it screws them either way.
Yeah, I do agree, that definitely needs to be written in else it's just going to be sheer poison for some people
 

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Nah. Fuck them. Neither they nor YOU get to play "I have the moral high ground" after bullshit like everything to do with Kenosha. The democrats pulled a Nixon. Had an easy win but just had to play dirty so now, fuck them. They pretended to take the high ground but didn't so now they have nothing to offer to me. Congrats! I'm voting for Trump out of pure SPITE.
We never stopped believing you would find your true inner self.
 

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Yes, because he is saying the problem existed prior to both of them. Then you have to look at what actions both presidents took to address the problem and you see that at least Obama tried to do something to help it, Trump OTOH, intentionally took actions to make it worse.

I am not in any way saying Obama did enough to combat it, but at least he tried to do something and had reduced homelessness , which is still a huge improvement over Trump's disgusting malicious actions instead.
But, using housing prices during a massive housing bubble that deflated basically the year after his chart end is just... hilariously deceptive. And I mean that literally. It’s comedic.
 

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But, using housing prices during a massive housing bubble that deflated basically the year after his chart end is just... hilariously deceptive. And I mean that literally. It’s comedic.
Yes, though Trump already removed the regulation meant to prevent it from happening again, so it IS relevant in that it is showing exactly what can happen again DUE to trumps malicious actions. Not likely that he meant to show that, but it sort of makes a further case against what Trump has actually done here.
 

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Congrats on driving another person into Trump's flabby arms?
He was already there to begin with. TBH, I think that anyone still in Trump's flabby arms is there because they haven't figured out how to escape yet. LOL
 

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Congrats on driving another person into Trump's flabby arms?
Oh yes, because it's not as if him leaning that way wasn't entirely predictable from police threads to social views etc for ages.

And like, man, do you believe in personal responsibility at all either? Or like, also even his own words just being railing at stuff we didn't have anything to do with.

It's always shocking how some people treat conservative voters as if they didn't just make their own choice, someone *made* them do it. Like come on, they're people who made their own choices.
 

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Oh yes, because it's not as if him leaning that way wasn't entirely predictable from police threads to social views etc for ages.

And like, man, do you believe in personal responsibility at all either? Or like, also even his own words just being railing at stuff we didn't have anything to do with.

It's always shocking how some people treat conservative voters as if they didn't just make their own choice, someone *made* them do it. Like come on, they're people who made their own choices.
If they take responsibility, they can't "Own the libs", because it implies someone other then the libs are to blame for things that happen to them.

My 3 year old is more mature then that.

Then again, my 3 year old is more mature then the current president, so it is what it is.
 

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Yea because making millions homeless, removing their access to food and medication is somehow the equivalent. I think you know what you can do with those cookies. THIS is what is wrong with the GOP. They sit around making cookies while causing millions to starve suffer and die. Thanks for that.
Like I've ever made cookies.
 

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I had a feeling this would happen the longer the negotiation took. The election season causes everyone to not cooperate.
 

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I had a feeling this would happen the longer the negotiation took. The election season causes everyone to not cooperate.
Pelosi was actually trying to get some relief out there and had been losing sleep over it, The GOP has no incentive to hurry though because they only care about welfare for the wealthy and they know time is on their side. They see the poor suffering here as them "winning". They don't even bother trying to pretend otherwise anymore tbh.
 

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Congrats! I'm voting for Trump out of pure SPITE.
No, you aren't.

You are voting for Trump in substantial part because you have always had substantial right-wing sympathies, as anyone who's read your comments over the last few years would have concluded. You might have struggled with aspects of the Republican platform or perhaps other elements (e.g. peer conflicts with a left-leaning social group), but really, it probably is your more natural tendency.