A warning to all who feel Depression: Prozac isn't that good.

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The brain is an incredibly complex chemical and electrical engine. You walk into your doctor or psychiatrist's office, he decides you have depression and prescribes you prozac. You take it and it doesn't work. What's wrong with this picture? Your doctor/psychiatrist.

Basicaly anti-depressants work in a number of ways, but essentially they all alter the levels of selected brain hormones (mostly seratonin, but also some others), either up or down a little (or limit the amount you can use at any given time). Now your psychiatrist or doctor has no idea precisely what your current levels are or what the magnitude or source of the imbalance is. Basically he's taking a HUGE guess in terms of the correct anti-depressant (there are different types that do different things) and in terms of dosage. People ***** a lot about psychology being a "fuzzy" science, but what doctors and psychiatrists do makes psychologists look good, if only people knew.

The standard protocol your doctor/psychiatrist SHOULD have followed is to start you on the drug he/she guessed was right for you (yes, it is a guess) with a follow-up consultation in 2 weeks. Why 2 weeks? Because the brain is delicate and you don't just smack it with drugs, anti-depressants build up slowly and take at least 2 weeks to build up in your system. By 2 weeks you should be feeling some effects and if you're not or if there are side-effects then it's a sign you need to either change the dosage or type of medication. If you change anything then you're back to square one, you have to take 2 weeks to come off those meds and then start the new ones, so another follow-up in 1 month. If the meds are working then another follow-up at the 1 month mark when the full effects should be felt and you and your doctor/psychiatrist can have a chat about whether they're doing everything you need them to do, whether you're experiencing side-effects (flattened mood, etc) that might mean you need to tone the dose up or down, etc.

These are BASIC clinical procedures, and if your doctor/psychologist didn't follow this pattern of treatment then you need to do two things:
1) Find a new doctor/psychologist
2) Sue him/her until they're hurting as much as you are (no, seriously, any doctor/psychiatrist who doesn't know the basic procedure for prescribing anti-depressants is a danger to everyone around them and needs to be put out of practice)

There are lots of anti-depressants on the market and one of them will work for you. You don't need to feel like shit just because your doctor is a moron (remember, some doctors passed with 51%, which means that 49% of the time they just don't have a clue).

I also recommend a good psychologist, but the same advice applies, if they don't produce results after a couple of weeks then find a new one.
 

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Jack and Calumon said:
Prozac, an anti depressent. Has notoriety for side effects and I'm being hit by them. Right now.

If you get upset when your on Prozac, your mind makes it just that much worse. You know your on the stuff, but you believe it's not working, your mind constantly feels like it's crushing in on you. Old habits catch up to you and make things worse. You can't think straight.

Currently, I just got viciously dumped by my girlfriend who I thought was a good person. Then she sends me a video of her with another guy, having sex. Video was recent, as it was showing the LOST finale in the background... A thought entered my head about killing myself before I snapped into reality and got a grip. Others might not so lucky to snap out of it.

This is a warning to those with depression. Sometimes, Drugs don't help. Now I need to calm down. Going for a bath then getting some shut eye. Night all.

Oh, and to promote discussion value, give your thoughts on Anti Depressants.
If there's any silver lining here, it's that a truly evil person has dropped out of your life. It is, in a way, fortunate that she left you when she did. Can you imagine the hell you might have experienced if you married this conniving *****.

I offer you my condolences, if you need someone to talk with, then I will be here.

I recommend discontinuing your use of Prozac, it seems not to be working for you,.
 

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DividedUnity said:
Eh I was diagnosed with primary depression and given the choice of a number of drugs from anti depressants to god knows what. I chose not to take them and advise everyone else to especially if youre a teenager. They tend to have adverse effects on teenages especially but for some reasons doctors will still prescribe them.

Anywhoo just go to group therapy or see a councillor if youre depressed. Its the best way about it.
No it isn't. In studies it has been shown that both the different types of therapy have similar rates of effectiveness. Also, the treament most suited to a person is dependant on who it is.
Johnnyallstar said:
It blows my mind that there is such an epidemic of "depression" out there. Now, I'm a bit of an optimist myself, but there's only one thing I have to say.

To all those suffering from depression:

There are people all over Africa suffering from far more than just being depressed. Starvation, disease, homelessness, wild animals, drought, civil wars, marauders, pirates, warlords, genocide, slavery and more.

Your personal problems really aren't that bad, now are they?
I don't think that psychological illness is quite that easy... It's an intricate mix of brain chemistry, cognitions.

OT Man your ex is a nasty piece of work. You deserve better than her. I would suggest trying to see a psychologist. It's not necessarily going to work, but it may work for you. If you're a person who can benefit from psychological help, and not drugs, that is the better option. If they wouldn't help, then see if you can get different drugs. There are a lot of different stuff out there.
 

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razer17 said:
DividedUnity said:
Eh I was diagnosed with primary depression and given the choice of a number of drugs from anti depressants to god knows what. I chose not to take them and advise everyone else to especially if youre a teenager. They tend to have adverse effects on teenages especially but for some reasons doctors will still prescribe them.

Anywhoo just go to group therapy or see a councillor if youre depressed. Its the best way about it.
No it isn't. In studies it has been shown that both the different types of therapy have similar rates of effectiveness. Also, the treament most suited to a person is dependant on who it is.
Johnnyallstar said:
It blows my mind that there is such an epidemic of "depression" out there. Now, I'm a bit of an optimist myself, but there's only one thing I have to say.

To all those suffering from depression:

There are people all over Africa suffering from far more than just being depressed. Starvation, disease, homelessness, wild animals, drought, civil wars, marauders, pirates, warlords, genocide, slavery and more.

Your personal problems really aren't that bad, now are they?
I don't think that psychological illness is quite that easy... It's an intricate mix of brain chemistry, cognitions.

OT Man your ex is a nasty piece of work. You deserve better than her. I would suggest trying to see a psychologist. It's not necessarily going to work, but it may work for you. If you're a person who can benefit from psychological help, and not drugs, that is the better option. If they wouldn't help, then see if you can get different drugs. There are a lot of different stuff out there.
They might be similarly effective in dealing with depression but I'm pretty sure therapy doesn't have an adverse side effects that can leave you screwed up worse than you were before.
 

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Way I delt with depression, age 10... I watched comedy movies, ate fresh fruit, went out my garden and breathed in the fresh air.
I would suggest never taking drugs for it, but I have a bias, probably.

Chemical solutions always seem to make things worse when it comes to trying to deal with mental issues.

By the way, it's okay to be depressed, I think everyone's had a spell of it, though for different reasons, obviously.
Just think about why you're not happy and what would make you happy, maybe send your ex a video of you idly jumping around in a field looking all happy and unworried, just to get yourself some closure.
 

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El Poncho said:
Send the video to her parents.
Good idea, but even better...there are sites on the internet that pay good money for amateur porn. Send her a card with a photo of you with your brand new whatever and the message 'this is the X I bought with the money I got for your video from XXX-amateur-sluts.com' with a link to her video...and then send the link to her parents with a 'concerned' note.

Also...sorry to hear the pills have messed you up, hope your head sorts things out soon.
 

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Aw, Jack, I'm sorry hon *sends virtual hugs*

I was on Prozac off and on from the time I was 8 until I was 18. It never really made much of a difference except that the highs from hypomania were a lot higher. Scary shit. I remember being awake for almost 4 days because I was so hyped.

I'll admit, I quit my meds and therapy cold-turkey on my 18th birthday. Do not recommend doing this for ANYONE, but I've been drug and talk-therapy free for the past 6 years and it's made me a hell of a lot happier.
 

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I am against personality altering drugs after seeing how they effect people up close. Heck all I've ever known were people who were total train wrecks and took all that stuff. Never truly helped them from what I could see. Sometimes it made it worse. Although it's a big thing to say. Your better off using human will power to get rid of anything that woes you rather than using a drug(given that you have any sort of choice on the matter).
 

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I dislike that everyone and their mother seems to be taking some form of mental-pill for medicinal purposes. I mean, there are some cases (far and inbetween) where an anti-depressant is needed, but most of these cases it is just someone who tends to be more sad than happy, next thing you know, people who have fears of things that aren't held by the general population will be put on medication, then the people who are ahppier than normal, then those with quirky sense of humour, and what next: Playing too many videogames? We have a pill for that too ... I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm morally opposed to the use of mind-altering drugs except in extreme cases (which is also why I'm against large amounts of alcohol).

So yeah, sad to hear you are (were?) on anti-depressants, and I'm really hoping you can remain independent of any pills, as I reckon you'd be happier if you could self-manage and not have the nasty chemical side-effects than constantly be emotionally drained and dead-inside.
 

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Lizmichi said:
In allot of cases as well someone with depression will burst into tears if you yell at them, well I did not sure about others.
Last person to tell me to 'suck it up' regarding my psych problems ended up eating through a straw for the next 6 weeks.

I don't play well with others.
 

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Johnnyallstar said:
It blows my mind that there is such an epidemic of "depression" out there. Now, I'm a bit of an optimist myself, but there's only one thing I have to say.

To all those suffering from depression:

There are people all over Africa suffering from far more than just being depressed. Starvation, disease, homelessness, wild animals, drought, civil wars, marauders, pirates, warlords, genocide, slavery and more.

Your personal problems really aren't that bad, now are they?
You know, I really hate douchebag answers like this. I'd gladly trade places with any of those people as they would probably make better use of my life.

It really takes someone who is genuinely depressed to understand why depression is a problem. I for one can't even look in a mirror without reminding myself of all my faults. It's really becoming a problem.

OT: I can't say I've been in your position, but I know what depression feels like. I reccomend you just take some time away from anything that would cause depression, ESPECIALLY perscription medicen. I hope you feel better and am looking forward to having the old Jack and Calumon back.
 

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El Poncho said:
Send the video to her parents.
This, and if you are feeling particularly viscous, send it to everyone she knows as well. That may be my vindictive streak running high, though.
 

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Johnnyallstar said:
It blows my mind that there is such an epidemic of "depression" out there. Now, I'm a bit of an optimist myself, but there's only one thing I have to say.

To all those suffering from depression:

There are people all over Africa suffering from far more than just being depressed. Starvation, disease, homelessness, wild animals, drought, civil wars, marauders, pirates, warlords, genocide, slavery and more.

Your personal problems really aren't that bad, now are they?
I apologize if someone else illustrated that you were being insensitive and downright ignorant, but to the best of my knowledge, real, medical, "depression" is much more than just being upset about life, it is a lot of physical/chemical crap going on in the body too.
 

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Johnnyallstar said:
It blows my mind that there is such an epidemic of "depression" out there. Now, I'm a bit of an optimist myself, but there's only one thing I have to say.

To all those suffering from depression:

There are people all over Africa suffering from far more than just being depressed. Starvation, disease, homelessness, wild animals, drought, civil wars, marauders, pirates, warlords, genocide, slavery and more.

Your personal problems really aren't that bad, now are they?
I apologize if someone else illustrated that you were being insensitive and downright ignorant, but to the best of my knowledge, real, medical, "depression" is much more than just being upset about life, it is a lot of physical/chemical crap going on in the body too.

Send it to the parents
That. Times a thousand. I was really hoping my girlfriends would send me pics so I could be a total douchebag to her if she broke up with me in a horrible way, but never panned out yet.


Perhaps try to sell it to PornHub.

edit: God damnit you stupid forum you 404'ed and then decided to post my input... awesome :mad:
 

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Yureina said:
"There's no chemical solution to a spiritual problem"

That's what I think anyway. Hope you feel better Jack and Calumon! :)
That assuming that spirituality isn't simply a product of chemical reaction as all thinking, personality, and other aspects of yourself are.

When you're feeling angry, sad, exhilarated, or a whole lot of other feelings, they're just an effect created through chemistry in your brain. Everything you feel, everything you are, is that.
 

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Yureina said:
"There's no chemical solution to a spiritual problem"

That's what I think anyway. Hope you feel better Jack and Calumon! :)
I can tell that you haven't really experienced any major forms of depression like some of us have.

Depression has nothing to do with spirituality. You could be the most spiritual/religious person in the world yet still have depression (it's not the same as being depressed).

I'm not a huge expert on psychology or depression, but spirituality doesn't have much to do with it. Maybe if you are depressed and you seek help via religion or something then it could help depending on the person, but the best way is usually a mixture between therapy and medication.

Now, look, I understand some people's resistance to taking pills and other types of medication. To a certain extent, I agree with them. But sometimes the proper medication can help depending on the person.

OT: I suppose I should do a bit more to help Jack&Calumon, I feel obligated. If you feel any urge to hurt yourself, or if you look at a knife funny, or any instrument that could potentially harm you, go away immediately. Go out to the hallway or something and just breath, maybe splash some water in your face. It is never worth it to hurt yourself over anything, so don't even think about it.

Like everyone else said, I hope that ***** gets what's coming to her. Send it to her parents or her friends or something if you feel vindictive, though I don't really recomend the revenge approach.
 

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El Poncho said:
Send the video to her parents.
This made me giggle with childish glee.

OT: I have never had problems with depression or anything like that, but I try to keep prescription drugs out of my system.