Most Germans supported the National Socialist party. Hitler got to power (mostly) through democratic means.
about nazi germany.
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caspertjuhh said:
Have to say, bro, you're a pretty bad troll. But I'll bite, for lack of anything better to do.
No, Germany was not the cause of World War 1. In fact, I don't recall anybody ever saying they were. Germany was just one of the last fighters hanging in there after everyone else bailed out. Then after that, the Allies told 'em no more weapons. So the German economy ended up crippled. Hitler showed up, spouted a load of crap about Aryans and Jews and so on and so forth, and in their desperation the German people turned to his regime. They became Nazi. That's not to say every German and his mum went round hunting Jews, of course there were sympathisers and pretty much normal people.
I don't think anybody, in this day and age, has ever turned around and blamed every German for the Holocaust. You still can't blame everything solely on Hitler, however. People can think for themselves. At any point they could have refused to throw the switch, they could have sheltered the Jews, as some of them did. They could have laughed Hitler out of office. If they were all afraid, just once voice would have been enough to rouse them against him. No, the truth is, a good portion of Germany was genuinely Nazi. Whether or not they felt like that before Hitler rose to power is irrelevant.
And yeah, there were a lot of fascist countries. Hell, there are still neo-Nazis these days. But Germany was by far the most outspoken. Let's be honest, who else wrote themselves a place in infamy?
Anyone else think the Treaty of Versailles had more than a little bit to do with the economic situation Germany was in prior to the rise of the Nazi party, thus creating the pot in which Germany could stew? Desperation does bad things to people. Of course please don't take this as a defense of what happened during WWII, just that events surrounding the end of WWI and the following years and subsequent treatment of Germany didn't help make things better.
^^ Pretty much this.Canid117 said:
Yes, Hitler was bad, we know, but there isn't so much bashing of Germany (that I've seen).
EDIT: Also, it wasn't Hitler that came up with the idea of Concentration Camps... It was the British in South Africa. Jus' throwin' that out there.
I say its jealousy! Yup those brits and french toasts got their asses handed too em in WW2 until America showed up, and russia started doing inhumane things to win. But yeah so i say the british and frenchies say bad things about the Germans because they were about to lose(well france already lost but still)
It's not Hitler's fault WW2 started. The other countries were very unfair with the treaty of versailles, and even they knew that. When Hitler went against the specific reforms in the treaties, no one did anything, because they thought it was only fair. The League of Nations failed to stop two major invasions even though it was created to stop war. And, Germany was in a level of super-inflation as far as economy went. A war would actually help the economy.
Hitler was an opportunist that loved his country. I'm not even sure if he hated Jews. The holocaust is real, of course, but I'm not sure if it was his fault. You see, he was a great orator, but a bad decision maker. He'd usually tell his advisers to make decisions for him, and he'd relay them to the people. A major government building was attacked by a revolutionary group that had ties to Jews, there were a few prominent Jewish bankers that were able to thrive even in such poor economic times, and some high up Russian officials were Jewish (or at least believed to be. Although Stalin was never a Jew, I think most Germans believed that he was). All this together created a lot of hate for them. Hitler's advisers could have told him to go with the holocaust, and he just ran with it.
Really, if it wasn't for the whole Jew hating thing than I'd really like Hitler.
Even aside from that, search up "Japanese Americans in WW2". Any asian, regardless of standing, was sent to an internment camp without trial out of fear of them being spies, even if they were loyal Americans that were born in the country. Those camps were really only a step up from the Holocaust centers in Germany.
Hitler was an opportunist that loved his country. I'm not even sure if he hated Jews. The holocaust is real, of course, but I'm not sure if it was his fault. You see, he was a great orator, but a bad decision maker. He'd usually tell his advisers to make decisions for him, and he'd relay them to the people. A major government building was attacked by a revolutionary group that had ties to Jews, there were a few prominent Jewish bankers that were able to thrive even in such poor economic times, and some high up Russian officials were Jewish (or at least believed to be. Although Stalin was never a Jew, I think most Germans believed that he was). All this together created a lot of hate for them. Hitler's advisers could have told him to go with the holocaust, and he just ran with it.
Really, if it wasn't for the whole Jew hating thing than I'd really like Hitler.
Even aside from that, search up "Japanese Americans in WW2". Any asian, regardless of standing, was sent to an internment camp without trial out of fear of them being spies, even if they were loyal Americans that were born in the country. Those camps were really only a step up from the Holocaust centers in Germany.
That's not a reason he hated Jews though. He was gassed and saw that it killed indiscriminately. He vowed never to use such a thing against his enemies.hyperhammy said:
Well, of course he used them on Jews, but in that case it was a much more controlled environment, not to mention the sheer hate and discontent for Jews. But he never used it on the battlefield.
I have to disagree with your assessment. Hating the Nazis, fine, I get that, but hating Germans because they were under an evil regime is a tougher position to take. The average German, who may or may not have known what went on in the camps, would have been drafted and threatened to go to war. Most people, anytime, anywhere, would be reticent to face the wrath of the State for strangers.brodie21 said:
You're right that Nazis were evil, but putting that hatred on Germans in general is too much.
I just think it's important to remeber that it wasn't "the germans" who created death camps and killed millions of jews, it was "the nazis", a political group. The nazis also had many members outside Germany, like in Italy, and the national socialist sympathisers in the occupied contries. I have never seen or experienced any hate toward germans or any mention of nazis at all on this forum. With the exception of grammar nazi ofc, but he doesn't count.
I agree with you. In fact, the Germans of today are so incredibly anti-nazi that you can't even mention them in videogames. Back when communism was a big thing, German historians talked about how good it was. Nazis were anti-communist, so being anti-communist might seem nazi like. So, they didn't say a single bad thing about communism.Cairo said:
I think in creating a thread about it you're only furthering the problem. It happened in the past and everybody makes mistakes, yet you never hear the good stuff (like how German is my favourite language, has my favourite food and Germany is the country I'd like to visit the most) so everybody leave this thread and go to the one about how wonderful Germany is that may or may not exist just yet.
