to OP: I think people who grow up with anime appreciate it more, which can be say to pretty much anything.
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Fixed for necessity of quoting. I think that's /thread as far as art styles go. Also, thanks for finding this. I have a friend I've been meaning to show this to for a looong time.NeutralDrow said:I do.Aby_Z said:
Same here. I tend to like the action, I'm a hormonal male so the women generally appeal to my eye, and they're more free genre and topic wise than Hollywood movies. There's a lot to be said for culture bias as a creator and a viewer. Westerners can have a hard time identifying with or enjoying things that stem from the Eastern cultures. There were (as far as I know) fewer religious upheavals so magic and spirituality are very common themes as they haven't developed the "Pagan stigma" that the West seems to have. Personally I don't mind it at all and even find it refreshing so long as it doesn't replace intelligent/cunning plot twists and devices. Also (this is a lot of speculation on my part) there seems to be some older, patriarchal themes of which there is currently a massive movement in the West to break from. So that may be a turn off for some. Such themes include a very nuclear/traditional family with a working/warrior husband, a stay at home wife that cooks and children raised to follow in their parent's footsteps, and duty to honour country, family and ancestors. Then there is the generally intellectual, to the almost "meta," approach to storytelling. Who here wasn't on some level thrown off when they found out the Trainer had to call out named attacks to their Pokemon or when a fight scene requires each combatant to announce their techniques. "Fear my Inferno Punch (TM)!!!!" Characters may narrate their life to some extent as it unfolds. This is in contrast to the more visceral style derived from the West which is more action oriented. Comedy seems to revolve around what some may consider child-like mechanisms. For instance facial expressions (I'm convinced that it must not be vintage anime if one of these sequences isn't in it; if you've seen an episode of any anime you know what I mean), simple jokes at a character's expense and slapstick comedy. Currently in the Western cinema satire and sarcasm seem to be the watchwords of comedy. Personally I find the Eastern comedy style quite jarring from the tenor of many animes but often times I can get over it and even get laugh now and then.Sparten0515 said:
Like anything else I have discriminating bordering eccentric tastes in things so this about sums up my opinion. I also watch out for heavy usage of the "different" comedy style and fight scene play by plays.FargoDog said:
Housebroken Lunatic said:Yeah, that's not really fair since there is plenty of panzy-ass anime with little to no violence or nudity at all.FargoDog said:
However, there's one broad generalisation that I do feel is kind of justified when it comes to anime and manga, and that is that the both of them suffer from a serious case of the TV-tropes disease.
I mean really, it doesn't really matter what anime you watch, since pretty much the entire ensemble of characters are interchangeable with any other cast of any other anime there is.
I mean how many "original creations" in ways of anime DOESN'T contain at least one of the following tropes:
The constant fuck-up who somehow manage to save the day through persistence
The aspbergers afflicted emo loner wih a quest for vengeance
That dude with the stupid haircut
That supposedly young adult girl who acts and talks like a prepubesent child
etc. etc.
I don't know, but I guess this is the main reason why I grew a little disillusioned of anime in general. Becaue after you've watched enough anime, all characters just seem to be completely unoriginal cardboard cut-outs of eachother. And I don't know why, but for some reason I feel that the obvious similariies are way more blatant and shameless than the archetype characters of western fiction.
It's like you can almost swear that whenever a "mangaka" decides to create something "new" he/she instantly thinks "Oh I gotta have a NARUTO character in this one, and a SASUKE character too, oh and also a SAKURA character to go along with the bunch!"
This is of course extremely sad in some ways, because he manga and anime cultural expressions are usually filled with fantastic and original ideas and story premises. Why can't the characters be equally unique and colourful?
Ach! (rant over)
http://www.cs.utah.edu/~duongsaa/more_htm/jk_100animeRules.htm
the 100 rules of anime that must be and are always followed.
Pointless topic is pointless? Eh, I guess no more so than "Name your favorite X" or "I think Y is over-rated"
Anyway, I agree, I dislike anime, mostly because otakus annoy me, and blindly hating anime is a GREAT way to annoy them.
Anyway, I agree, I dislike anime, mostly because otakus annoy me, and blindly hating anime is a GREAT way to annoy them.
I ain't saying that Western shows are better or worse than anime. I was mere commenting on my annoyance of those who'll hear of an anime and an equally good (or maybe even better) Western show and decide that they'll only watch the anime just because it's anime and ignore the other one because 'quality of western animation is just...horrid'.Aethren said:
i.e. All those "recommend me an anime to watch' threads you see going instead of 'recommend me a show to watch'.
Sidenote: I could rattle off a list of amazing Western shows, but maybe another time, as it's late and I must travel in the morning. But if you're going around citing BLUE'S FUCKING CLUES as a reason you gave up on western animated shows, then I'm pretty sure you're not really going to listen to me anyway.
Squarez said:
I agree to what you say but I want to add something to the discussion. Whenever someone discuss the quality between western animation and anime, I just use the recent Dante's Inferno animated film as an example. That film is divided into several part each with different studio and one of them is an American studio. Any one who saw that film will tell you that the one segment made by the American studio has the worst quality in the film.Aethren said:
Western animation does one thing good and only one thing, cartoon sitcom. The success of Simpsons, Family guy, King of the Hill are all proofs of it. However western studios never takes animation out of their comfort zone. On the other hand Japanese anime covers a much wider genre and styles.
If you're interesting in their production, recently hulu uploaded some behind the scene clips for cleveland show that talks about how they make one episodes. Surprisingly one episode would take more than a year to make. Compare to Japanese anime industry which churns out episodes weekly, it's not hard to understand that they have much more experience and practice than western animation.
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wat?
No, seriously.
What?
I urge you to watch some actually good anime before making sweeping generalisations.
Like Monster, Beck, Nodame Cantabile, GitS, Cowboy Bebop or Mushishi.
You can't just watch a random reality TV show and decide everything on TV is shit.
Well, you can, but it means you're stupid.
True, a lot of anime shows are terribad, but they are bad because they are bad (go figure), not because they are anime.
Perhaps try watching American cartoons that draw influence on Anime and Asian cultures. A good example would be the Avatar: The last Airbender series. Not just aimed at kids, has great production values, and doesn't have those quirky Japanese Anime mannerisms or art style in general.Limzz said:
In the end however, your statement doesn't really hold up unless you have watched the majority of ALL Anime. I am guilty of the same thing. I hate Rap music but then I've heard very little. Always keep an open mind and someday something might come along that surprises you. At the end of the day no one is forcing you to watch Anime... we all are forced to listen to Rap music though. It's like... a requirement to be allowed to watch TV.
I cannae see the picture because my work computer is too fail, but am I right in assuming it's the picture that lordlee posted back when he got himself banned? Because I was attempting to find that picture to post but the majority of image hosting sites are blocked so I couldn't find it.NeutralDrow said:
Aethren said:
good western animation? here ya go.twasdfzxcv said:
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Your welcome.
Funny thing is that, Japanese animation studio Sunrise is part of the production of batman the animated series.Grey_Focks said:
Second, that show ends in 1995. A whooping 15 years has passed since it ended, where's the next contender.
Oh...you seem to have gotten the wrong message. I wasn't saying western animation is better than Japanese, I could just point to Disney/Pixar if I REALLY wanted to do that, I just wanted to give an example of a good western cartoon.twasdfzxcv said:
And yes, it has been 15 years. ALL cartoons (that aren't made by Disney/Pixar) are shit nowadays, whatever their country of origin.
I don't hate anime but I think deep down I believe everyone who watches it secretly wants to tentacle rape a school girl or something...so I stay away from it. Also I don't like the art style generally. Also everyone I know who likes anime has the worst taste in books and movies in general so I don't really trust their advice on what to read.
I might read something one day, if someone can suggest something that doesn't involve tentacle rape.
I might read something one day, if someone can suggest something that doesn't involve tentacle rape.
ok i think this deserves a quote i like almost all the shows you listed but adventure time just disturbs me along with alot of crap on cartoon network. now i must ask this you do realize that all but 4 of the shows you listed are no longer running? now dont mistake me for just a fan boy i like certen anime and hate others but i think we can agree (with a few exceptions) that current western animation is realy bad. now this does not include movies pixar is very good at animatingkyosai7 said:
OT i would sugest if your open to trying anime to go slow dont go out and get something thats just wierd and stay the hell away from hentai(animated porn) now id recomend outlaw star (the anime my avatar is from
its funny and has a pretty nice art stile or princess moninoke its by the same guy who did spirted away and it inspired the head of pixar to make animated movies hope this helpsIf you think all cartoons are shit then I suppose that's your opinion. However what I'm saying is that Japanese animation studios are much better at their job then the western counter part "in general/on average", both in terms of skill and innovation.Grey_Focks said:
I have no problem with that Disney/Pixar has the best animation quality today, but they also have a gigantic budget to work with. Toy story 3 has a budget of 200 million USD where as most Japanese animated film would be lucky to have 10 percent of that. If Pixar didn't deliver great quality they'd probably be out of jobs.