Anyone outside the US that bothered about Captain America?
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Right lets get this out the way:
I'm British, and I'm still looking forward to see Captain America, y'know why?
Captain America, is NOT, I repeat is NOT Captain AMERICA FUCK YEAH!11!
Cap is actually quite a good character, he just gets written off as some vehicle for American propaganda because of his name, which is understandable, I used to think the same thing, however, his name is forgiveable given he was designed as a super weapon against the Nazis during WW2, at a time when patriotism was in high demand, however he isn't some sort of tunnel in order to prove America is great, he wants to protect his country, but only in the same way all super heroes do, Americanism name or not, he wants the population to be safe and wants what's best for them.
The easiest parallel to draw is he's a lot like Solid Snake, a patriot, but one for the country, not for the government, although they both work for the government, they have an element of tragic-ness about them, used and abused in order to forward the governments master plan. Obviously in the 1940s and the cold war, he WAS used as a propaganda machine, but the writers didn't want this, which is why at the turn of the modern age of super heroes (Ie the grim dark era), his patriotism was stripped away in order to develop a proper character, one out of place from his proper time, frozen in ice for 50+ years and blasted back into the current era confused but still wanting to make sure the world was safe.
Stuff like the Civil War and Death of Captain america storylines showcase his willingness to try and make the world safe, a mission which cost him his life (in as much as comics do), I could even imagine the US government wanting him dead as a future plot point due to him not forwarding their agenda, but at the end of the day, he isn't an all american boy scout that he gets pidgeonholed into a lot of the time . If you've played Metal Gear Solid, but not read Captain America, you should have some idea as to how his character actually is, rather than how he's portrayed.
Cap hates the American government and their corruption, he barely agrees with them at all, a fact he makes quite clear in the comics (not that I expect people to know that if they don't read the comics, I just want to set the record straight), he's a soldier because that's that all he knows, a soldier genetically engineered for War and nothing else, forced into fighting because he represents hope for people, a task he can't put down out of fear that the people might lose hope in the face of danger.
If anything, Cap represents the antithesis of current American Politics, he's fought the American government due to their decisions, (hence the possibility of the American government wanting him killed during Civil War) and in his current form represents the writers views and wishes on American Government, a corrupt system which needs something to stand up to it. Cap represents Truth, Justice and hope in its purest form free from any ties to nationality regardless of his name and costume, not "Truth Justice and the American way" as people would have you believe.
and watch this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2429-Whos-Afraid-of-Captain-America
and watch this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2429-Whos-Afraid-of-Captain-America
Seriously, why does no body get this? Does anyone read that sentence after they've written it and think "Yes that means I don't care" as opposed to "I do care"? Could is a is a yes, could is a affirmative, Could'NT is the negative. If you can't do something you don't say "I could do that" do you? Why does no body make this pretty simple linguistic connection...argh!
I'm British, and I'm still looking forward to see Captain America, y'know why?
Captain America, is NOT, I repeat is NOT Captain AMERICA FUCK YEAH!11!
Cap is actually quite a good character, he just gets written off as some vehicle for American propaganda because of his name, which is understandable, I used to think the same thing, however, his name is forgiveable given he was designed as a super weapon against the Nazis during WW2, at a time when patriotism was in high demand, however he isn't some sort of tunnel in order to prove America is great, he wants to protect his country, but only in the same way all super heroes do, Americanism name or not, he wants the population to be safe and wants what's best for them.
The easiest parallel to draw is he's a lot like Solid Snake, a patriot, but one for the country, not for the government, although they both work for the government, they have an element of tragic-ness about them, used and abused in order to forward the governments master plan. Obviously in the 1940s and the cold war, he WAS used as a propaganda machine, but the writers didn't want this, which is why at the turn of the modern age of super heroes (Ie the grim dark era), his patriotism was stripped away in order to develop a proper character, one out of place from his proper time, frozen in ice for 50+ years and blasted back into the current era confused but still wanting to make sure the world was safe.
Stuff like the Civil War and Death of Captain america storylines showcase his willingness to try and make the world safe, a mission which cost him his life (in as much as comics do), I could even imagine the US government wanting him dead as a future plot point due to him not forwarding their agenda, but at the end of the day, he isn't an all american boy scout that he gets pidgeonholed into a lot of the time . If you've played Metal Gear Solid, but not read Captain America, you should have some idea as to how his character actually is, rather than how he's portrayed.
Cap hates the American government and their corruption, he barely agrees with them at all, a fact he makes quite clear in the comics (not that I expect people to know that if they don't read the comics, I just want to set the record straight), he's a soldier because that's that all he knows, a soldier genetically engineered for War and nothing else, forced into fighting because he represents hope for people, a task he can't put down out of fear that the people might lose hope in the face of danger.
If anything, Cap represents the antithesis of current American Politics, he's fought the American government due to their decisions, (hence the possibility of the American government wanting him killed during Civil War) and in his current form represents the writers views and wishes on American Government, a corrupt system which needs something to stand up to it. Cap represents Truth, Justice and hope in its purest form free from any ties to nationality regardless of his name and costume, not "Truth Justice and the American way" as people would have you believe.
and watch this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2429-Whos-Afraid-of-Captain-America
The OP is British, it's like the first sentence of his post. He even says "I hate the AMERICA FUCK YEAH attitude." I'm pretty sure he's not belittling British troops during WW2, you really didn't need to bring that into the thread, it's about Cap, not a debate on WW2, that's something for somewhere else. As for the Cap bit, read above.voorhees123 said:
and watch this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2429-Whos-Afraid-of-Captain-America
Couldn't give two shits. saying "I could give two shits" implys that you care, which is pretty obvious if you actually read that sentence.velcrokidneyz said:
Seriously, why does no body get this? Does anyone read that sentence after they've written it and think "Yes that means I don't care" as opposed to "I do care"? Could is a is a yes, could is a affirmative, Could'NT is the negative. If you can't do something you don't say "I could do that" do you? Why does no body make this pretty simple linguistic connection...argh!
Well.. Superman actually bothers me more than Captain America when it comes to the "America is the best evah!" fan-wank.
Cap has shown that he isn't a hardcore, "fuck everyone else" patriot, and when he where, they retcon-ed that because the fans hated that guy.
Bob says it better than me:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2429-Whos-Afraid-of-Captain-America
But Superman, a man that came from an alien planet, have until rather recently had "the American way" as one of the human ideals.
The American way...? I mean, WTF?
I understand that the golden age characters had a American bias, but they evolved past that.
Hell.. Wonder woman, a god-dammed Amazon said that America where the last haven of freedom and democracy! but she grew past that, and Bob said it better:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2628-All-The-World-Is-Waiting
Cap has shown that he isn't a hardcore, "fuck everyone else" patriot, and when he where, they retcon-ed that because the fans hated that guy.
Bob says it better than me:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2429-Whos-Afraid-of-Captain-America
But Superman, a man that came from an alien planet, have until rather recently had "the American way" as one of the human ideals.
The American way...? I mean, WTF?
I understand that the golden age characters had a American bias, but they evolved past that.
Hell.. Wonder woman, a god-dammed Amazon said that America where the last haven of freedom and democracy! but she grew past that, and Bob said it better:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2628-All-The-World-Is-Waiting
I cannot win today. i was trying not to insult the americans who died in WW2 but i do agree with everything you just said. I would never insult the memory of those who died so I might be sitting here trying to find out what people think about an upcoming movie but instead end up insulting people.voorhees123 said:
As an American...I find the character boring. I never cared for superheroes anyway. The entire concept just seems cheesy, overdone, and without anything creative that will make me want to see it. Nazis and the occult in WW2? Damn, what a fine job of superficially attempting to make the character more of a moral badass...pfft.
And I am still tired of us portraying the Germans as the bad guys. I also view this as a tad bit disrespectful if coming from a certain direction.
And I am still tired of us portraying the Germans as the bad guys. I also view this as a tad bit disrespectful if coming from a certain direction.
I think it looks like one of the best superhero movies to come along in a while.. and I'm from Canada. *shrug*
Captain America is not one of my favorite characters, but I'm all for the Captain America movie, both because my bar for decent films is set low enough that I'm pretty sure I'm going to enjoy this one no matter how bad it turns out to be and because, honestly, I think everyone's entitled to a little patriotism now and then. If you want to channel that patriotism into a blockbuster movie, all I ask is that you make it a good one.
Heck, I tell you what, if someone wants to make a good-looking (low bar, remember) movie about, say, Captain Russia (Captain Soviet? Whatever.), or Captain France, or Captain Britain, or Captain Nazi Germany (Tough sell, but it'd be neat to watch someone try, even if only as a train wreck in progress), or whatever, I'll get just as excited about throwing twenty bucks down to see that.
I'm American, incidentally.
Heck, I tell you what, if someone wants to make a good-looking (low bar, remember) movie about, say, Captain Russia (Captain Soviet? Whatever.), or Captain France, or Captain Britain, or Captain Nazi Germany (Tough sell, but it'd be neat to watch someone try, even if only as a train wreck in progress), or whatever, I'll get just as excited about throwing twenty bucks down to see that.
I'm American, incidentally.
I'm Canadian. I have never before given a shit about Captain America, and because of the recent trailers I am highly anticipating the movie.
It looks great. I'm assuming the story will have something to do with the teaser from the end of THOR and will therefore be awesome. Also, Tommy Lee Jones is awesome and I can't wait to see this performance.
It looks great. I'm assuming the story will have something to do with the teaser from the end of THOR and will therefore be awesome. Also, Tommy Lee Jones is awesome and I can't wait to see this performance.
What this guy said. So what if in this continuity the other allies aren't present? We all know that America couldn't have defeated Germany and Japan on two fronts without the resources of the Russians, British and Free French fighting as well. I just want a movie with awesome fighting, decent dialogue and a cool origin story seeing as CA isn't one of the hero's I followed very well.Cowabungaa said:I am. Why?
Bad. Ass.
Plus, going by the trailers the action is going to look pretty damn awesome. I really don't give a damn about the whole "Ohhhh look at them Americans feeling sooo important!" Whatever guys, this isn't politics, it's a movie based on a comic book. Explosions and awesome fights all up in this shit. That's what I want and that's what I hopefully am going to get.
Also my sentiments and nationality.StriderShinryu said:
As a Canadian, I can't wait. It looks like a fun action film, and I like Captain America as a character.
I'm British, and... well.. yeah he said it best:
Ahhh Hugo Weaving, you can do no wrong.
Cowabungaa said:I am. Why?
Bad. Ass.
Plus, going by the trailers the action is going to look pretty damn awesome. I really don't give a damn about the whole "Ohhhh look at them Americans feeling sooo important!" Whatever guys, this isn't politics, it's a movie based on a comic book. Explosions and awesome fights all up in this shit. That's what I want and that's what I hopefully am going to get.
Ahhh Hugo Weaving, you can do no wrong.
I hate Captain America. Not because he's America in human form, but because he's boring. Not in the same way that Superman is boring (being so overpowered it's not even worth bothering), but boring because he's just...Dull. A shield? Wow, way to go.
I will be seeing the film, though. It looks pretty decent, and I like what Marvell has done with their films. Plus, you know, Hugo Weaving.
I will be seeing the film, though. It looks pretty decent, and I like what Marvell has done with their films. Plus, you know, Hugo Weaving.
I love captain america the character himself, he's not a full America only 100% patriot type character as a lot of people assume. Actually, MovieBob did a thing on him in The Big Picture. The movie I'm somewhat excited about, hoping it does him justice.
And there's nothing wrong with rooting for you hometeam.(as moviebob said)
A Union Jack movie would be pretty cool too.
And there's nothing wrong with rooting for you hometeam.(as moviebob said)
A Union Jack movie would be pretty cool too.
Didn't even know Captain America was coming out here in the UK.
I'm surprised. When do we get Union Jack?
I'm surprised. When do we get Union Jack?
I am COMPLETELY against nationalism and propaganda but cap was made during world war 2 at the same time superman asked you to buy bonds in order to "slap a jap." cap started out as propaganda but due to good writing during the silver age of comics (particularly when greunwald, waid, and brubaker were at the helm) he evolved to a symbol of how one man can stand toe to toe with cosmic forces out of sheer strength of character and will. YES I like the character, mainly because I took the time to get to know the character, he's marvel comic's superman MINUS the super powers. this is man who is thought of as an equal by a Norse god... read the "daredevil: born again" trade and pretty much any issue of the avengers with thor and cap in it.
to the guy who said cap was useless... do you consider generals useless in wars? do you consider a raid leader who tells you how to kill a boss useless? do you consider the boss who trained you at your job useless? cap is the leader of the avengers, he is the one that barks out the orders and has to calm down gods and monsters and billionaires when they are going through tough times. he is the man that told an omnicidal supervillian off in a calm fashion.(the infinity gauntlet trade.) OH, and for those of you that thinks he is a propaganda tool still, he has quit being captain america when he disagreed with the U.S. government. in fact he gave up his citizenship when he became disillusioned with our government. the man has stated more than once he is not loyal to the flag or the government, but the dream of truth and justice (again during daredevil:born again)
cap is what happens when you take batman then subtract the cynicism and darkness and replace it with superman's optimism and light. yes, I am a cap fanboy, not gunna lie, I am not looking forward to the movie tho, mainly because I feel it may not do the character justice.
to the guy who said cap was useless... do you consider generals useless in wars? do you consider a raid leader who tells you how to kill a boss useless? do you consider the boss who trained you at your job useless? cap is the leader of the avengers, he is the one that barks out the orders and has to calm down gods and monsters and billionaires when they are going through tough times. he is the man that told an omnicidal supervillian off in a calm fashion.(the infinity gauntlet trade.) OH, and for those of you that thinks he is a propaganda tool still, he has quit being captain america when he disagreed with the U.S. government. in fact he gave up his citizenship when he became disillusioned with our government. the man has stated more than once he is not loyal to the flag or the government, but the dream of truth and justice (again during daredevil:born again)
cap is what happens when you take batman then subtract the cynicism and darkness and replace it with superman's optimism and light. yes, I am a cap fanboy, not gunna lie, I am not looking forward to the movie tho, mainly because I feel it may not do the character justice.
