Apparantly, I am a degenerate of society.

[thenumberthirteen]

<url=http://www.myspace.com/greydonsquare>Greydon Square

He writes great songs, is actually from Compton, fought in Iraq, and has a degree in Physics.

 

[DannyBoy451]

sorry to hear that.
just out of curiosity what do u usually listen too?

* Metal (Primarily Power Metal).
* J-Pop & J-Rock.
* Game Soundtracks

I hope you have a pair of ovaries to go with your precious j-pop and j-rock.

Oh-ho I lold.

Music is music... except techno.

Technically Rap is poetry. Dunno how, just is.

Good hip-hop is poetry, like any good music can be.

 

[-Orgasmatron-]

This thread is a stark reminder of why I stopped posting on The Escapist as often as I did. I think reading this kind of thing everyday could cause massive brain damage.

But yea, retarded arguements about music aside, the kind of people who think the OP is a "degenerate" don't seem to realise that he is just listening to the music, he didn't write the shit, he's not actually Easy E. I had a girl get pissed at me once for listening to "Back Off *****" by Guns N' Roses, like my name is Axl Rose or something.

 

[Azure-Supernova]

Because i listen to rap music.

Really, why do people critisize a genre so much that they will refuse to listen to it at all? Eminem and Jay-Z have done some amazing songs, such as "Stan", "Empire state of mind" and "'Till I collapse"

And let's not forget the classics. Who can't remember Run-DMC, MC hammer and sir mix-a-lot?

The point of this post is; not ALL rap music is bad. RnB, however, is the real scum of society

I think most of the hate it aimed at the "bigot, sexist rappers" as it has been so put on many youtube videos. I'm not against the genre together, I widely consider my tastes eclectic but I don't listen to much modern rap, however I love Crack a Bottle by Eminem.

Alos, real R&B hasn't existed since the 60's

 

[AHWaffle]

who actually cares you listen to music is you like it i listen to hard style and i honestly couldn't care

 

[anthony87]

The feelings I have against rap lovers, or RnB fans doesn't come from the music itself, which I can sometimes enjoy, it comes from the sub culture most of them seem to be a part of. I've never had someone listening to Slipknot on their phone decide it would be funny to punch me in the face for example. Or when on a bus, I never hear metal or rock blaring loudly trying to annoy the other people on the bus, always Rap and RnB.

Those styles of music, generally I might add, not exclusively, seem to appeal to the least respectful, self obsessed, ignorant members of our modern society. Music cannot be blamed for the way people are, but people will still generalise based on the minority which get the most attention based on the bad things they do.

Games are exactly the same, one person may play GTA4 then decide to go kill a prostitute, now chances are that guy was inclined to do that sort of thing anyway, but the masses will make the connection and brand the game, and others who play it, as something terrible.

This is pretty much how I feel. After all, i've never seen a metalhead going around being an asshole to complete strangers for no reason but you can bet your ass that I've seen fans of rap music doing that.

 

[hotacidbath]

Spoiler: Good

Spoiler: Bad

Almost anything on the radio

Artists like The Roots, Common, Boots Riley, Saul Williams etc. make great music that often has a message. Not everything is Soulja Boy and Lil' Jon and there are a lot of great rap artists out there who don't get any of the attention they deserve.

Most rap I find hilarious. The posturing and posing, the bravado. Some rap is really quite transcendental, though. I like rap that can be spoken word and not lose any of its bite. Saul Williams is a perfect example. Course, his songs aren't too popular, but they are fantastically deep and danceable.

Fuck yeah a Saul Williams fan!

 

[Jasper Jeffs]

I hate these lazy, ignorant morons thinking they can say whether or not rap as a whole is shit, when they haven't even taken the time to look deep enough into it. It's sad.

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.. because a song like that should be judged alongside Soulja Boy.

 

[LWS666]

to each his own

 

[DannyBoy451]

The feelings I have against rap lovers, or RnB fans doesn't come from the music itself, which I can sometimes enjoy, it comes from the sub culture most of them seem to be a part of. I've never had someone listening to Slipknot on their phone decide it would be funny to punch me in the face for example. Or when on a bus, I never hear metal or rock blaring loudly trying to annoy the other people on the bus, always Rap and RnB.

Those styles of music, generally I might add, not exclusively, seem to appeal to the least respectful, self obsessed, ignorant members of our modern society. Music cannot be blamed for the way people are, but people will still generalise based on the minority which get the most attention based on the bad things they do.

Games are exactly the same, one person may play GTA4 then decide to go kill a prostitute, now chances are that guy was inclined to do that sort of thing anyway, but the masses will make the connection and brand the game, and others who play it, as something terrible.

This is pretty much how I feel. After all, i've never seen a metalhead going around being an asshole to complete strangers for no reason but you can bet your ass that I've seen fans of rap music doing that.

That's probably got far more to do with metalheads being gigantic pussies than genuinly being nice people, from my experience metal is pretty popular umong date rapists, school shooters, and those weird guys who live with their mum and date 14 year old girls.

All that generalization is bullshit, obviously, just like your generalization is bullshit.

 

[FranzTyphid]

Because i listen to rap music.

Really, why do people critisize a genre so much that they will refuse to listen to it at all? Eminem and Jay-Z have done some amazing songs, such as "Stan", "Empire state of mind" and "'Till I collapse"

And let's not forget the classics. Who can't remember Run-DMC, MC hammer and sir mix-a-lot?

The point of this post is; not ALL rap music is bad. RnB, however, is the real scum of society

These are very good points that i agree with.Rap music is actually very good

 

[Sevre]

I don't like Rap, because a lot of it is just playing with Cubasic to create a nice loop and than speak some bullsh*t over it. Or, if you're really lazy, just "sample" somebody else's loops. Sure, there are a couple of Rap tracks (I won't call something a song that didn't bother to include a melody) that are fun, but in the grand scheme of things, it's rubbish.

How many Rap tracks from 2002 are still played on the radio today? Or from 1996? Rap is not music like that of The Beatles, Stevie Wonder, Elvis Presley or Beethoven, Mozart, Wagner. Contemporary Rap music will not be listened to in 40 years, because it's disposable. You listen to it for a couple of days, weeks, maybe months and then throw it out. As such, it's much closer to Twitter than Art.

Your views are as convoluted as your post.

 

[derdeutschmachine]

Rap is what it is, I personally don't like it because of the stereotype it has created for itself and the popularization of ebonics within the lyrics. so long as you treat it as a way to enjoy music and not a lifestyle I don't think you should be considered a degenerate, however, if you walk around with your pants down past your ass and talking like a mush mouthed retard who barely grasps the english language then the moniker is appropriate.

 

[Xanadu84]

Normally, I wouldn't (And don't) criticize any genre of music seriously. There's a lot of music I don't like, but there's very few genres that I can say I hate entirely. I make fun of country the most, but it's generally just in good fun. And there is a rare good country song here and there, and an occasional Rap artist I like: Mix A Lot is too funny, Eminem was okay until I started to find him insufferable, and RZA actually have a lot of talent. It would take somthing special for me to take real exception to a genre at large.

However, the problem with rap music, and I don't say this lightly, is racism. The KKK wish they could be as toxic to black culture as Rap music, or rather more accurately, Gangsta rap. First of, Gangsta Rap is carefully presented as being a piece of black culture, and when you associate things with black people (At least in America), Rap is always of the list. Then, of course, is the content: Shooting people is fine if it gets you money, hit your girlfriend, steal stuff if you want it to get ostentatious trinkets, and do whatever immoral activity you feel like doing if it benefits you, regardless of the price those around you pay for it. It's a terrible message, but it's not the problem. We watch violent movies and play violent video games and read violent books all the time, no negative effects. But that is because those things acknowledge that there in this entertainment only space. It's done for fun, letting off steam. Gangsta Rap, however, does everything it can to make the fantasy real. And when you look at the rappers themselves, well a lot of times they practice what they preach. That might be why I enjoyed Eminem, because you can see the tongue placed firmly in cheek, while most other stuff is less entertainment, and more disturbingly twisted Moral Objectivism (Or no more twisted then it already is, but that's another conversation entirely). And a lot of money is being made by selling the image of the violent, selfish black man, and I have a serious problem with that.

Rap music is like if they made a GTA game where people acted realistically when they were shot or run over, and bragged about how they used real people getting killed for there 3D models.