Are Humans Stupid or Evil?

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asteroth21nox

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I believe humans are much more stupid then evil. If we were a truely intelligent, advanced, enlightened race there would be no war, no poverty, and all would be equal and free. A sort of globle utopia without the comprimise of free will or individuality is what we would be liveing in if we were a truely intelligent race. But alas....we are not. Instead, our primitive nature makes us do bad things, sometimes by accident and sometimes on purpious (yes I know I can't spell worth a shit). We do bad things simply because we are ignorant of the consiquences or we don't care which is more stupid. I think I can say in realistic terms that in our life times we will continue to be stupid and careless and from it things seen or interpited as evil will occure because of it and we will have nobody but ourselves to thank for it. Nothing you or I can do about it, it's just human nature. Hopefully in centuries to come, we will as a race evolve.
 

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Ahhpple said:
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Ahhpple said:
Neither. Humans are naturally good and are perverted into evil and most every human has the capacity for intelligent thought. hth
humans are born with tears in their eyes and are demanding with no consideration for others into it is hammered into them by the ones they tormented.we are born stupid,rude,uncaring and with sin(I havee areligion so I thought I'd throw that in)
And don't forget destructive. If you ever watch a baby left to his/her own devices, his/her natural tenancy is to break, or at least try to break, whatever he/she happens to get into. That's why I always get nervous when my sister and parents let my 1 and a half year old nephew get into absolutely everything.
The natural tendency at one and a half years old is to experiment and try new things. Babies don't chew up paintings and throw food on the walls with malicious intent, and if you really think your nephew is out to tear apart your library because he doesn't want you to be able to read then I don't know what to say.
You misunderstand me. I didn't say the intent was malicious. It's like Majin Buu in DBZ. From the time of his creation Buu was ordered to kill people and destroy things. After absorbing the Kais he became as innocent as an infant, but was still made to kill and destroy. Much later after being freed of his shackles, he still continued to kill and destroy because that was all he'd ever known since his creation; until he learned that it was wrong. I guess where I'm going with that is he didn't know better. Babies on the other hand, likewise don't know better, but don't have the excuse of knowing nothing but destruction from the time they exit the womb. I guess my point is humans are born knowing how to destroy things, that's something that we don't have to learn, and we seem all to willing to do it too even as babies.
Also, don't get me wrong, I love my nephew, he's family after all. I just get concerned that he's allowed to play with everything. I mean, my sisters good about it, she doesn't let him play with my stuff.
 

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asteroth21nox said:
I believe humans are much more stupid then evil. If we were a truely intelligent, advanced, enlightened race there would be no war, no poverty, and all would be equal and free. A sort of globle utopia without the comprimise of free will or individuality is what we would be liveing in if we were a truely intelligent race. But alas....we are not. Instead, our primitive nature makes us do bad things, sometimes by accident and sometimes on purpious (yes I know I can't spell worth a shit). We do bad things simply because we are ignorant of the consiquences or we don't care which is more stupid. I think I can say in realistic terms that in our life times we will continue to be stupid and careless and from it things seen or interpited as evil will occure because of it and we will have nobody but ourselves to thank for it. Nothing you or I can do about it, it's just human nature. Hopefully in centuries to come, we will as a race evolve.
But maybe the human race doesn't need to evolve, maybe it's just the way it's meant to be, and changing it would be the malicious act. Sort of how a lioness may hunt and kill a zebra, the lioness has ended the zebra's life which can be considered wrong according to our morals. However should the lioness be a vegetarian because her nature is to hunt? Or is it simply the way it should be?
 

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Confusious (yes I know, spelled wrong) once argued the nature of man is good because if a man saw a baby about to fall into a well, he would instinvtively rush to save the child from falling without a thought. Because the reaction is instinctual, the nature of man must be good. And as for the lioness argument, our opinion could never dictate what evil really is. The lioness is simply a creature of nature, she is programmed to hunt and mate and eat. Her real nature is nuetral if you think about it. As for humanity, I believe our nature ultimatly is good but stupid. there is an old saying that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.I believe that applies much to your question.I'll even go as far as to say, that if you think long and hard about it, evil is a by product of stupid lol.
 

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Ahhpple said:
Egillswordguy said:
I have a theory, it gose like this:

Every action you do is based on selfisnes. Like typing this, is my act of trying to be smart, that is based on selfisness. You may be trying to save someone from something, why? Ever wonder why we help others. Two basic resons: 1. we feel sorry for them, we help them so we don't feel sorry for them any more. 2. we wana be considered heroes for helping them. And you might be thinking "what if your being forced to do something" well your doing that act to not suffer what will happnen if you don't.

Plese comment and speak your mind.
Your theory is called egoism and it's about 100 years old.
I'm inclined to tell you that calling something old does not discredit it. This person in my opnion is very much correct. This "egoism" as you call it is really a sad truth the way I see things. But if you don't believe me take it from Anton Szandor Levay and his thousands of followers. He created a religion called satanism, it follows very similar beliefs to this so called egoism and I am indeed a Levay Satanist.
 

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both really and lazy were the only living creature that kills its own kind and were the only animal that doesnt find a balance with its ecosystem nor tries to. so its both or we're a virus cause virus' are the only other organism that search and destroy like we do
 

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asteroth21nox said:
Confusious (yes I know, spelled wrong) once argued the nature of man is good because if a man saw a baby about to fall into a well, he would instinvtively rush to save the child from falling without a thought. Because the reaction is instinctual, the nature of man must be good. And as for the lioness argument, our opinion could never dictate what evil really is. The lioness is simply a creature of nature, she is programmed to hunt and mate and eat. Her real nature is nuetral if you think about it. As for humanity, I believe our nature ultimatly is good but stupid. there is an old saying that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.I believe that applies much to your question.I'll even go as far as to say, that if you think long and hard about it, evil is a by product of stupid lol.
Yes, but in the base of things humans are also simply creatures of nature. Our instincts drive everything we do in the same way every other creature on the planet, the promise of happiness. The instincts for nourishment and air hold the promise of life, leading to the promise of future happiness. The instincts for reproduction and protection of the "herd" ensure the survival of the species, which also ensures future happiness. Which is why the man saves the baby, not because of goodness. But just because of the lack of good in Man does not mean the presence of evil, for there is only instinct as we are simply creatures of nature.
 

asteroth21nox

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True, the instincts are of nature and thus nuetral as most forces of nature but by virtue of the nature of his instincts to save the child, dosen't that make him good? You could argue the lion's instincts are evil because it tells the lioness to kill but it's for it's own survival because it eats what it kills. The man saves the baby without regard of consiquence. Now that I think about it, maybe it's because of instinct man is good but because of his intelligence, because of opinion, evil exsists.
 

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Both. But one does not necessarily preclude the other.

Evil people can change to become good but stupid is forever.
 

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We act as generations upon generations of social conditioning as well as physical, political and instinctual evolution have taught us to do. Whether those actions are good, evil, stupid or brilliant are details left to you.

Whatever you choose, the species survives. Or it doesn't, but then you won't be caring, will you?
 

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Ahhpple said:
There is really no equivalence between the left and the right. There is no liberal version of Glenn Beck, for example. The left has nowhere near the amount of dishonesty, hatred, and factual errors the right has. This type of thinking--"well the far right is crazy so there must be someone just as crazy on the left!!!"--ends up going nowhere and is the laziest way to take a political stance. This Southpark style argument that the insanity is split equally between both aisles is crap and basically what I'm trying to say is pick a side and stick with it.
edit: this is offtopic though so ignore me
It sounds like you are simply too close to the left to see any of the crazy people on the left. Is it possible that you're left of them? Do you think that the American Green party is reasonable, for example?
 

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We are not truly evil or stupid. Were like animals its in our nature to all act the same. OK some people go a little over board like serial killers and everything but essentially we all act alike. None of us are unique in our actions theirs either a good or bad choice and rarely a middle choice.
 

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Nurb said:
A PERSON can be intelligent and reasonable, but people in groups are stupid, easily manipulated and barely above a herd of animals.

just look at those who watch fox news!
This. When everyone's screaming for something different, the intelligent people usually don't have a very good chance of being heard.
 

axia777

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We're just stupid. Evil is the result of stupid.
Really? Then why were people like Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin considered to be geniuses?
 

asteroth21nox

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shwnbob said:
We are not truly evil or stupid. Were like animals its in our nature to all act the same. OK some people go a little over board like serial killers and everything but essentially we all act alike. None of us are unique in our actions theirs either a good or bad choice and rarely a middle choice.
If that was so we would be ants lol.