The internet can be a good tool for research as well as a good way for family members to keep in touch. not to mention that it would be nearly impossible to start, let alone enforce.
Ban children from the internet
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I think you should be. I was on internet chatrooms at 16 and I was always mature, polite and sensible in them and the rest of the net. Maturity and responsibility has nothing to do with what age you are. I'd trust some of the under 18's on this site more than some of the twat 30 year-olds at my work.joshuaayt said:
Anyways, even if you did ban under 18's there would still be plenty of problems with the net. Sites wouldn't stop being shut down until all we had were Fox news, pro-christian sites and the Disney official website.
Banning children from the net completely is more like banning them from every building besides their own home as opposed to just strip clubs.Schneizel said:
hmm... I recall the internet being free for everyone? Those parents can block sites, right? No use spoiling the internet for us minors with intelligence.
Anyway, if we stop under 18's going on the internet it will become like marijuana in the USA, everyone, even the non-interested, would go on the internet just because it's illegal.
and, you have the problem of the fact that the internet is anonymous etc.
it's impractical and only for idiots who think anyone not of age is incapable of rational thought.
Anyway, if we stop under 18's going on the internet it will become like marijuana in the USA, everyone, even the non-interested, would go on the internet just because it's illegal.
and, you have the problem of the fact that the internet is anonymous etc.
it's impractical and only for idiots who think anyone not of age is incapable of rational thought.
I don't see what the big deal is with hitting 18. You know most kids these days around 15 or 16 are having sex with their girlfriends right? Porn isn't the big thing it used to be. Frankly, i'm 19 myself and i don't feel any different to how i was four years ago. I'm certainly not any more mature. It just means i can go into a pub and order a pint without getting any funny looks.
I think people, in both sides of the camp, need to stop and realise that children are people too. I'm sure i have said this before, but i need to really drive that point home. They are not information sponges who soak everything up and are devoid of any form of common sense. When they get to puberty, or even ten years old, they are perfectly capable of assessing a situation and knowing what is wrong and right. If the kid goes on ChatRoulette to see a guy jacking off, freaks out, and keeps going back to it, he knows perfectly well what will happen and is doing it of his (or her?) own choice.
Parents need to get a grip and try to monitor what their kids are exposed to, but honestly that's part of the problem. Just let them discover this stuff for themselves. TV these days swear openly on daytime telly (i've heard words like 'shit' be used before) and society today has pretty much accepted that 'youth revolution' means younger people are getting exposed to things like sex, drugs and violence much quicker. This isn't 1950, you can't hide behind the grinning happy family image, you need to wake up and realise this. if you don't want your kids exposed to all this and fry their brain, you need to sit down and talk with them. Tell them people do die, not that bambi's mum just didn't wake up. Talk to them about sex. The truth behind drugs and alcohol. But don't blow it the fuck out of proportion and make it sound like some kind of mysterious other-worldly substance that becomes their new opus magnum. Chances are, you remove the mysterious veil behind stuff like sex and drugs and they'll just lose interest, or not get so 'GASP I MUST GET INVOLVED' about it.
I think people, in both sides of the camp, need to stop and realise that children are people too. I'm sure i have said this before, but i need to really drive that point home. They are not information sponges who soak everything up and are devoid of any form of common sense. When they get to puberty, or even ten years old, they are perfectly capable of assessing a situation and knowing what is wrong and right. If the kid goes on ChatRoulette to see a guy jacking off, freaks out, and keeps going back to it, he knows perfectly well what will happen and is doing it of his (or her?) own choice.
Parents need to get a grip and try to monitor what their kids are exposed to, but honestly that's part of the problem. Just let them discover this stuff for themselves. TV these days swear openly on daytime telly (i've heard words like 'shit' be used before) and society today has pretty much accepted that 'youth revolution' means younger people are getting exposed to things like sex, drugs and violence much quicker. This isn't 1950, you can't hide behind the grinning happy family image, you need to wake up and realise this. if you don't want your kids exposed to all this and fry their brain, you need to sit down and talk with them. Tell them people do die, not that bambi's mum just didn't wake up. Talk to them about sex. The truth behind drugs and alcohol. But don't blow it the fuck out of proportion and make it sound like some kind of mysterious other-worldly substance that becomes their new opus magnum. Chances are, you remove the mysterious veil behind stuff like sex and drugs and they'll just lose interest, or not get so 'GASP I MUST GET INVOLVED' about it.
This idea is so stupid on so many levels, I'm not sure where to begin.
Enforcing it would be impossible, and you open the floodgates for the censorship, segregation, and clamp-down of the internet. After all, while your banning under-18's, why not ban people suspected of piracy? Or people who spend hundreds of hours a month playing online games? Or people who use lots of bandwidth?
As I said, a foolish idea.
Enforcing it would be impossible, and you open the floodgates for the censorship, segregation, and clamp-down of the internet. After all, while your banning under-18's, why not ban people suspected of piracy? Or people who spend hundreds of hours a month playing online games? Or people who use lots of bandwidth?
As I said, a foolish idea.
has anyone considered how disturbing the interwebs may become if 18- are banned? evony-ads everywhere man! but seriously, I find the amount of DATEWITHHOTCHICKSNOW-banners getting really annoying.
a lot of students need it for school, from age 15 or earlier ... schools will get it tough if they can't let their students use internet.
This also raises another question: if internet should be banned for 18-, should all e-mail activities be banned for them also? what about internet/text message services for the phone? etc. etc.
and what ren3004 said 8D
-edit and people wanking in front of webcams should be real-life ninja'd.. with actual shurikens
a lot of students need it for school, from age 15 or earlier ... schools will get it tough if they can't let their students use internet.
This also raises another question: if internet should be banned for 18-, should all e-mail activities be banned for them also? what about internet/text message services for the phone? etc. etc.
and what ren3004 said 8D
-edit and people wanking in front of webcams should be real-life ninja'd.. with actual shurikens
While being nineteen already, this 'offer' seems very tempting, but no. Just no.
The banning of children from the internet is the exact wrong move. That's just the argument, that you could bringt up, if you want to ban violent video games in my country.
You're completely ignoring the problem itself, the problem of protecting the children from the dangers of the internet. A ban would make it more tempting for children to access the internet and search for sick stuff. On the other hand, it would not deal with all those parents, who have no idea, what their children are doing in real and virtual life.
Education itself is a very shallow term, but you somehow have to educate the children by educating the parents. The ideal parent is a parent, who cares. Who cares about what's going on in their childrens life. That very life has become a split entity, the real and the virtual life of the child or protegé. At first, that means more work for the parents.
People are really lazy and they will rather choose to block or ban the internet, that really deal with the problem, that their child is into sick stuff. The internet ist just a tool and you have to learn OR you have to be taught (by, for example, parents) to use this tool. Otherwise you - or your children - will be ending up hurt. A ban is no solution.
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The banning of children from the internet is the exact wrong move. That's just the argument, that you could bringt up, if you want to ban violent video games in my country.
You're completely ignoring the problem itself, the problem of protecting the children from the dangers of the internet. A ban would make it more tempting for children to access the internet and search for sick stuff. On the other hand, it would not deal with all those parents, who have no idea, what their children are doing in real and virtual life.
Education itself is a very shallow term, but you somehow have to educate the children by educating the parents. The ideal parent is a parent, who cares. Who cares about what's going on in their childrens life. That very life has become a split entity, the real and the virtual life of the child or protegé. At first, that means more work for the parents.
People are really lazy and they will rather choose to block or ban the internet, that really deal with the problem, that their child is into sick stuff. The internet ist just a tool and you have to learn OR you have to be taught (by, for example, parents) to use this tool. Otherwise you - or your children - will be ending up hurt. A ban is no solution.
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This.Blimey said:
i agree with this guy, if parents wanna moan let em moan, when i was a kid my mum actually checked up on what i was doin on the net (a sign of a good parent).Ren3004 said:
this threed isn't realy taking out on the people who are to blame, instead its seems more its blaming everything else both kids and the internet
Banning the internet for people under 18? Yeah... no. Seriously, no. Why? Because...
...it's a stupid idea.
...it wouldn't work.
...the shitstorm kicked up by those who than ban would affect (I'm talking 14+ here) would be so huge, that any country trying to get the ban through their parliament would fail miserablly. Also, teenagers can be pretty determined to right a wrong if we put our minds to it.
...Seriously, it wouldn't work. Kids will find a way around it.
...infringement of free speech. If some decent, law-abiding kid wants to go on youtube and post videos, then they are fucking allowed to. No piece of legislation has the power to stop them.
So there's a few reasons it's a bad idea.
...it's a stupid idea.
...it wouldn't work.
...the shitstorm kicked up by those who than ban would affect (I'm talking 14+ here) would be so huge, that any country trying to get the ban through their parliament would fail miserablly. Also, teenagers can be pretty determined to right a wrong if we put our minds to it.
...Seriously, it wouldn't work. Kids will find a way around it.
...infringement of free speech. If some decent, law-abiding kid wants to go on youtube and post videos, then they are fucking allowed to. No piece of legislation has the power to stop them.
So there's a few reasons it's a bad idea.
You're not looking out for minorities by banning all under-18s. Some are actually rather intelligent. I could even form cohesive sentences at the age of 14, believe it or not.
