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randomrob

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I would rather just let them be. Partially because i'm 16 and partially because i believe you shouldn't ban kids from stuff, the best way that kids learn is through experience and pulling cotton over their eyes just makes them into ignorant little fucks when they're older. Also how would you enforce it? And what government would ever condone that outside of Australia? Or China?
 

pelopelopelo

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What if a younger brother or sister walks in on you jacking off?

Should we ban masturbating because OH GOD WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!!??!!!???!?!!!
 

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We don't need to go to the extreme, all we have to do is wait, I know most of use on the escapist are 15-26 years old and we were raised when the internet was a fairly new thing, so when we have kids we will know how to block sites and keep tabs on our own children since most parents now are technologically illiterate. Until then one simple phrase "CONTROL YOUR OWN F**KING KIDS!!"
 

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Lets see, 17 now, been using the internet since I was 13, right, before all the flame starts on the fact I was 13 at a point in my life (what a shock) if I didn't know what was going on I KEPT MY MOUTH SHUT and didn't ask stupid and obvious questions, I just waited until someone else ended up asking them, I can proudly say I was never the immature, illiterate 13 year old that we all know exists.

So no, you can't give a blanket ban to all under 18's. This is the same as increasing the age to start driving to 21, that won't decrease crashes significantly, people will be equally new to it 17 or not. Therefore needing time to get the immaturity and inexperience out of the way, better now than later. That way we can still stereotype all 12 year olds as immature, illiterate idiots. (With a few exceptions of course)
 

SniperWolf427

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Schneizel said:
Ren3004 said:
Well, my brother has to send some school work to his teachers by e-mail.
Way to ignore the guy's post. Didn't you see the bit where he pointed out that before the internet (and consequently before e-mail) kids managed just fine?
The entire point is that regardless of how all of you old geezers out there did shit in school, these days everything is centered around technology, specifically email. The other guy's post was pointing out that kids can learn all the information they need for school just as efficiently in a library, which is certainly true. However, the next guy is saying that his brother takes online classes and has to submit work via email. I'm certain he did read the other post, considering that his response could be considered a rebuttal to the original argument.

And as for yourself, I'm not certain of your age, but using an argument like "In the olden days, there was no email, and kids managed just fine," is not valid in this sort of discussion. That's like saying "In the days before clothes, everyone ran around with their penis out and managed perfectly fine". You have to consider how we've advanced as a race. If the internet suddenly crashed permanently worldwide, you can bet your ass that people would be upset because it's what we're used to.

I'm fifteen and I've become completely used to the notion of having infinite knowledge at my fingertips. Besides, I live in a town where the library is miles away, we have no public transportation, and my mother works late. How the hell am I supposed to get there? I'd be forced to fail a given assignment.

Consider the times. Just sayin'.
 

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O_O Piss off! Banning under 18's? You mental?!

Yes, I can see that there are prolly a plethora of reasons to support this, but without the internet, I have to be honest, I'd be soooooooo bored. I guess eventually I'd find alternatives, but by that time I'd be 18, and be allowed to use the internet.

Also, you're forgetting that there are sooo many under 18 users PAYING for stuff on the internet. Cutting out that whole market will have a huge impact on the economic welfare of a lot of businesses operating on the internet.
 

Therumancer

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Ren3004 said:
Because they'll find a way to circumvent the ban?
Because kids under 18 also need the Internet for school work?
Because it's not fair banning them when the problem is the people who expose themselves?
Because it's just about impossible to do?
Because... okay this has gone on for too long.

So yeah, it's a bad idea. Some kind of vigilance on chat sites could work, but then there's the whole privacy issue.
Well, truthfully it would be very easy to enforce compared to trying to do it piecemeal now. The big issue would be to motivate people in society to enforce the ban, meaning a lot of people would have to be sent to jail and seriously have their lives ruined for letting kids have net access.

While kids would still get online, much like how kids still get alcohol and cigarettes, it would be a lot "better" than it is now.

The key of course being to scare people enough where they become pro-active in their persecution.

As far as "I'm 16 and have a fully functioning brain, and can handle the internet goes" Laws can't have exceptions, so of course there will be people who could handle it whom would be cut off.

Needing The Internet for schoolwork is irrelevent as kids were going to school long before The Internet. What's more when I was going to college they pretty much banned using the Internet as a source for research and such. No electronic "CD Rom" encyclopedias, etc... because part of the point was to teach people to do "real" research in actual libraries. Of course this was well over a decade ago now, and The Internet/computers are more prevelant than they were then.


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Before anyone responds, understand that I'm not saying I agree with banning kids from The Internet. I simply think it can be done, and relatively easily.

As I see things The Internet is a public space, and banning kids from The Internet is similar to banning them from going to a park or whatever.

Also when it comes to things like free speech and expression, I believe part of the point of The Internet is for it to be unfettered enough for people to be "obscene" if that is what they want to do. I believe goverments have no right to regulate this.

When it comes to internet legislation I believe fully in putting the responsibility in parents hands. People who are worried about their young children on The Internet should supervise them, just like they would if they were to go to a Park to play. As far as parents not being able to ALWAYS supervise their kids, it's not like parents can't lock household computers, not only are their password systems, there used to actually be a key-type system they experimented with on some older machines that could be re-implemented for those with such concerns. Then of course there is the matter of parents simply unplugging computers when they aren't around and hiding the cords somewhere, or locking them in drawers.

Nothing is perfect but the excuse of "Oh noes, we can't keep kids off the Internet" is kind of weak to be honest, which is why I disagree with it. Not that I really think The Internet is that big a deal anyway, since frankly I feel most reports of obscenity are greatly exagerrated to begin with. There is plenty of foul stuff on The Internet, but in general as a user I generally do not run into it while involved in routine use. I'd generally have to go looking for it... and chances are if kids are old enough to be looking for stuff like that, your not going to stop them anyway. Chances are if cleaning Jr's bedsheets shows that he's growing up, there isn't much you can do. I think part of the problem is the very common kneejerk reaction of parents who don't want their kids to grow up, realizing your son or daughter is interested in sex, or rather "shocking" things due to their increasing age can be to parents, what a kid walking in on his parents having sex is to them.
 

Darth Caelum

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Well.....I don't fully agree.
Besides the fact that it would be difficult to enforce, i REALLY don't like the idea of me becoming banned[sub]15 and all[/sub]
Testing for WHO exactly was under 18 would be easily circumvented and ALSO means you have to think in a certain manner......so NO.
Let the Mewling Parents Mewl. It's in their nature.
 

Wardnath

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Schneizel said:
Like I said, we on the Escapist seem to know better.
1: You certainly don't. A defeatist like you has no place on the Internet, let alone here.

2: I'm an eighteen-year-old who would just go online to screw with people whenever I could. Basically, the whole point of this thread has thus been defeated.

3: If you're finding obscene content on here, that's because you want to find obscene content. I didn't coax you into looking it up, neither did the people in this thread. The fault lies squarely with you.
 

Woodsey

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Considering at least half the people on here are under 18, that's a stupid idea.
 

Ashbax

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Ren3004 said:
Because they'll find a way to circumvent the ban?
Because kids under 18 also need the Internet for school work?
Because it's not fair banning them when the problem is the people who expose themselves?
Because it's just about impossible to do?
Because... okay this has gone on for too long.

So yeah, it's a bad idea. Some kind of vigilance on chat sites could work, but then there's the whole privacy issue.
This guy pretty much sums it up.

People need the internet for school, and for keeping in touch with their friends.

What kids see on the internet isnt their fault, is it? Maybe pervs should stop jacking off to their webcams, or would you prefer if they ARE allowed to do it, as long as theres no kids watching?
 

Vkmies

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Children have every right to surf on the internet, just like the rest of us, altough I think that their parents should be aware of what the younger ones are doing on the internet.
 

Skull Kid

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Nice idea but look at all the 12 year olds playing games rated 18, nearly no one will listen to the rule and how exactly will people enforce the over 18 internet. You cant really ask for their date of birth. Also, what about the under 18s point of view? If a child is watching/reading this kind of stuff on the internet then they probably found it on purpose. Finally, it seems these parents have not yet heard of parental control...
 

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joshuaayt said:
I'm sixteen, but have an entire, functioning brain. May I be included in this new internet?
Yeah. Your brain sounds nice. If I become a zombie I'll get in touch :)
 

Brotherofwill

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It's the parents job to watch their children and teach them how to use it, but yes the internet should have an age restriction. Maybe 12-14 years old. Small children should spent more time outside, I know my kids will. Sadly there's way too much money to be made from small kids, so the ban will never happen.

dragon_of_red said:
Ive lied to watch some videos that required me to be over 18, like a review for an R 18+ game.
You devil, you.
 

Deadlock Radium

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joshuaayt said:
I'm sixteen, but have an entire, functioning brain. May I be included in this new internet?
Me too, you can't take the internet away from me, that's inhuman, INHUMAN I SAY!
 

reg42

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That's a fucking stupid idea. By 13 you're generally thought of as mature enough to join most forums.
Also, and this is the big problem, ages does not equal maturity. I've seen plenty of 13-14 year olds who could argue the pants off me and I've also seen plenty of really stupid 20 year olds.
 

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generic gamer said:
You honestly think this community is mature? This community tends to be polite and intelligent but it's decidedly immature.
And that's a bad thing because...... why?

generic gamer said:
You only have to look at the number of nihilistic topics created to realise that a large number of the people on here don't have a very informed world-view.
I hope you haven't participated in any of those threads.

generic gamer said:
The main reason for censoring the Internet is to protect children, a move I'm all for frankly.
Then kindly sod off, because we don't want you here.

generic gamer said:
But it should be client-side censoring. I.E. the website creators out there need to tag everything up and risk legal penalties if they design a mature site that can bypass parental filters.
It would only get bypassed through the actions of the operator. No-one else.
generic gamer said:
by all means let it exist, but keep the sick shit away from family computers.
Because all children are clearly gonna go looking for the infamous Offended article.

Wait, what?
 

vallorn

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Schneizel said:
snipMorning TV show was yesterday whining about children using chatroulette and being "exposed" to guys jacking off on webcam, hence the thread. snip
im sure chatroulette has an "are you over **" button. at the start. if these kids ignored that and their parents wernt keeping an eye on them then its their own fault. parents need to know more about the kinds of websites their kids go on so they can make an informed decision about them and install some web safety software.

websites just need better age ratings/ better control over who uses the site, if they only allowed people who were over 18 to read books it would have a similar effect.