Bioware...*sigh*

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Archemetis

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How many times am I going to see someone ***** about Bioware for the following reasons:

EA bought them.

They banned a guy from playing their games, but oh wait, they admitted it was a misunderstanding... Oh well, guess they're still evil.

Dragon Age 2 wasn't as great as I thought it would be! WAAAAH!

Seriously people. Here's three very basic points to consider here.

1: Yes EA bought them, oh no! EA is not very popular at the moment, and anyone associated with them is a sell out! Wrong! They didn't sell out, it's not like they cater to every one of EA's whims.

If they did we'd be seeing shit like: The Sims: Mass Effect edition!

Or Madden Age: Origins.

Bioware are still making the games They want to make.
They're still in creative control.

2: They admitted their mistake and apologised, stop crying about it already, I'm sure the guy they 'banned' has already...

3: Dragon Age 2 wasn't to your personal tastes That doesn't mean Bioware has lost touch with their audience, it just means it wasn't what you wanted from it.
Oh well, play a game that is to your taste and stop crying.
 

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Note, Mass Effect 1-2, Dragon Age 1-2 are RPG games, in case anyone forgot the meaning, an RPG (Role Playing Game) means you're playing a game in which you assume the role of a character, and you can in many ways affect how that character reacts to things. You're playing a role. An RPG is not defined by having an "equipment mananger" or "adjustable stats", it annoys me how many people don't seem to know what RPG means.

On a sidenote, I did enjoy Baldur's Gate back in the day. But I also fired it up a few weeks back and didn't think much of it anymore. It's a game that was great in the past, it's not bad now, but it's not great either.

Besides all gaming studios are controlled by their income. Bioware for some reason attracts alot of rage, but ultimately would you see the studio shut down and go bankrupt because they don't try to release games with more mass appeal than that small niché of gamers who like the "hardcore" element of past time rpg's?
 

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I don't know what everyone's problem is. DA2 felt a bit weird at first, and there are a few things that I would have changed . . maybe made the darkspawn look the same from the 1st game, but I really enjoyed playing DA2. It was a nice change of pace from swinging my greatsword once every 5 seconds and having it miss half the time (full disclosure, I LOOOOOVED Origins).
 

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I like Mass Effect but I think it's overrated BUT I'd say it's the usual problem when a company starts to change. Everyone starts bitching about how good they were back in the day and now they suck. NO that's not true, they're just different now, like their games but that doesn't mean they're bad, it's just that they're not that what you used to know and like but something different. People have generally a problem when things change.
There are various reasons why you liked the old Bioware games when you played them and now since they're different you don't like them anymore but that doesn't mean that they're starting to make bad products now. Maybe someone who didn't like Bioware, likes the company now because they've changed. A company needs to change and try out new things. If we stayed the same and never changed, then we wouldn't progress as a species at all.
I bet that if your first Bioware game would be Mass Effect and then afterwards you'd play Baldur's Gate, KotoR or Neverwinter Nights, you'd say that Mass Effect is better.
 

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Yes. Because a game with a fun combat system can't POSSIBLY be a good RPG.

What that Mass Effect 2? You disagree? Alright I'll tell them.

Mass Effect 2 says fuck off.


EDIT: Yeah, I need to start reading the OP a little better.
 

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Nexus4 said:
evilthecat said:
Do me a favour..

Go back and play Baldurs Gate, KotOR and the original Neverwinter Nights.

Everyone fantasizes about things they played when they were younger and turns them into monolithic epic things which can never be superceded, but in my experience that's generally because were more easily impressed, not because the games were better.

In fact, go back and play a fighter in the original Baldur's Gate. Note how deep and tactical the combat is, certainly nothing like the action RPGs of today where you have to select abilities and click more than once in an entire fight.
This 100%
Nostalgia has that effect of making you forget everything that was wrong with those games, they were not the flawless, crown jewels everyone seems to think they are.
I dunno. As much as I love the newer games, I could still go and play KotOR again and really enjoy it. Force Wave ftw!
 

Gromril

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Lotta bioware hate kicking around, usually for the wrong reasons. I personnally like the new direction of combat in bioware rpg's. Shame the story has gone all wierd.
 

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dolgion said:
JonnyC said:
I don't like the direction they take, so I'd like them to come clean and just admit they don't really care about RPGs or change their direction.
You think bitching about them in the escapist forums is going to make them do that? Take this to the bioware forums at least; this just seems like a stupid discussion based on your own personal opinion. I don't like a lot of bioware's games especially dragon age but I love quite a few of their games old and new, but that?s personal opinion I still think bioware is a great company but understand I'm not going to love every single game they make and that they can make mistakes. They made Baldur's gate at a time when it was more relevant to make a game like that, an epic game with a grand narrative and strong gameplay which they still make takes a lot of money to make especially in recent times. Money that needs to be made back, if bioware "sold out" or "don't care about RPGs anymore" they would just make a FPS. Instead they evolved with the genre and the current gaming audience but still keeping elements of RPGs in their games so they can carry on doing what they do. Not every game they make can be for you as a business they need to reach a large audience there not an indie developer they can't afford to make games for niche audiences. There old games aren't going anywhere play them all you want but if their current games don't please you like there old ones did find other companies that do and understand that a lot of people do like there newer games.

It's not a developers fault if you don't like there games or "the direction there going in" you?re not a investor, bioware still makes popular and award winning games they are 10 times better than a lot of developers these days based on the quality of their games.
 

Zhukov

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I don't think they can hear you over the sound of their huge piles of money, success and adoration.

Heh.

So yeah... remember Bioware? That company that managed to make epic narrative-driven games with great characters that still managed to retain fun gameplay and a sense of immediacy that wasn't bogged down by dreary number-crunching and slow combat?

...

Oh.

...

That's right. They're still in business and doing fine.

In case it isn't clear, the point I'm trying to make here is this:
Not making games to your taste ≠ Not making good games anymore.
 

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honestdiscussioner said:
Not saying there is anything wrong with enjoying them, they typically are remarkably well made games. It's just when people deem them as the 'epiphany of absolute perfection' and that the newer stuff is 'COD with DRAGONZ!' or 'they changed it now it sucks' that it starts to get a little ridiculous.
 

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Call me a blind fanboy but I have yet to have any gripes towards Bioware. I haven't played Dragon Age 2 yet but I did enjoy the first one and intend on purchasing it. I feel they're a company that offers a lot for with the $60 asking price games put on us.

The only negative thing I could probably say about them is that Old Republic is sure to fail, but that's another topic for another post.
 

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Dragon Age 2 is their most adventurous and imaginatively crafted game to date.
Of course, that's just me. But personally I think BioWare is headed in the right direction.
 

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dolgion said:
And is the cooperation with EA turning Bioware into an oppressive company that bans legitimate customers from playing their games simply for badmouthing them?
Now i'm going bit OT here but i'm on crusade to tell a little facts about EA bans
and im quoting myself from topic about another ban by EA
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Just random thought...
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Nexus4 said:
honestdiscussioner said:
Not saying there is anything wrong with enjoying them, they typically are remarkably well made games. It's just when people deem them as the 'epiphany of absolute perfection' and that the newer stuff is 'COD with DRAGONZ!' or 'they changed it now it sucks' that it starts to get a little ridiculous.
Is anyone ACTUALLY saying DA2 is Call of Duty with Dragons?

Yeah, and Civ 5 is just Halo with horses.
 

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Mcoffey said:
CleverCover said:
Mcoffey said:
They should just have Obsidian make their sequels. Then their franchises would be getting progressively better.
Cancel that one. I like my games completed. And playable. With less bugs than my 3rd grade teacher's "Ant Farm of Learning".
Neverwinter Nights 2, and Knights of the Old Republic 2 were far better than the original games, and they still managed to incorporate more RPG elements into gameplay, such as skills playing a larger role in dialogue, and the various Lightsaber forms one could learn throughout the game.

As buggy as Obsidians' games are they're still the best RPG dev around (Not to mention the fact that they usually patch their games up proper within the first month or so).
I didn't play NN2, so I'm going to go with KotOR2.

That's true. I liked that part of the dialogue. Being able to use a "computer skill" when I didn't have any gave me some laughs. But I only played the game once or twice. Because the story didn't do it for me. It didn't feel finished and I felt like the 40+ hours I spent searching for the damned Masters was a waste of time, like I just needed a distraction until my teacher decided to show herself in her true colors.

And it didn't feel resolved. I work to get to know the people I'm traveling with, and at the end they just dissappear? It's just me on a dead planet roaming around until I find the right door? Then I kill a bunch of baddies, a couple of bosses, and return to my ship and I fly off.

Wasn't my ship damaged? Didn't Mira walk out after her stalker? Where was everyone when I was fighting sixty Sith Mooks on my own? Why can't I open the damn door! I killed...oh there's a bad guy! He's just trying to phase through the wall and now I can't hit him! That was a frustrating thirty minutes gone. At least I didn't fall through the ground. Too many questions. No answers.

And I couldn't play the game with the damn patch. I played it on the Xbox. No patch, played the game as they shipped it out, flawed, buggy, and unfinished.

I learned how Lucas' Force was an unstable Force and how grey his world truly was. Great. I can also get thought provoking in ME2 and DA2, with less annoyances and a better sense of accomplishment. In fact, there's more re-playability. I can be nine different people with nine different stories in ME2. I'm only one person with a bitter past in KotOR2.

Also: After watching my brother lose progress on a mission just because the game couldn't recognize he finished it in F:NV, I'm guessing they still rely on the patch system to fix their mistakes. If that's the best to you....You have a lot more patience than most people I know.

TL:DR. If being better means an unfinished, unsatisfying story in KotOR2 and a millions bugs, which is a precedent they still have going for them, I'll stick with Bioware over Obsidian.
 

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Silent Biohazard Solid said:
Oh come on, it hasn't been that way for very long. I still remember when FFXII came out, and legions of rabid Final Fantasy fanboys and fangirls attacked me for knocking it.
You mean a five year old title?

Five years is a long time in the gaming world. That's about a standard console's lifespan, unless the new model of 30 years takes over.

I also never said game franchises don't have their apologists, but SQUENIX has been taking crap for years, and its overall popularity has been on a steady decline. Even the FF series itse;f has seen a drop since 9 or 10 or so. I'd personally like to think 9, since that title was so godawful it still ranks among five or so PS2 titles I bought and never finished, but that's personal preference.

Final Fantasy will probably still have some of the most rabid defenders on earth even ten years after the series is dead and buried. But it's still not quite sacred. Nto anymore, and not for a long time now. Dirge of Cerebrus (also five years old), as you also mention, caught a lot of crap. Still had its defenders, but that's not the same as being held up in borderline idolatry. Even "user" reviews put the game in a pretty poor position.
 

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honestdiscussioner said:
Nexus4 said:
honestdiscussioner said:
Not saying there is anything wrong with enjoying them, they typically are remarkably well made games. It's just when people deem them as the 'epiphany of absolute perfection' and that the newer stuff is 'COD with DRAGONZ!' or 'they changed it now it sucks' that it starts to get a little ridiculous.
Is anyone ACTUALLY saying DA2 is Call of Duty with Dragons?

Yeah, and Civ 5 is just Halo with horses.
I wasn't quoting anyone, it was just a generalisation not an actual serious comment. Guess sarcasm doesn't carry well over the internet.