For both of those perks you have to die to get a kill.ygetoff said:i really have A LOT of trouble seeing WHY these are so hated.Baneat said:Rework the mechanics of the game and improve on the multiplayer. Martyrdom and last stand have to go.
boo hoo, i got killed by a dude lying on the ground. why do you care? you still get points for killing him, and it's pretty hard to get killed by a dude in last stand. you respawn instantly, so it isn't an issue of waiting.
and what about martyrdom? it's very easily seen, and just as easily thrown back, but they should put in the "toss back" perk from WaW in MW2, just to balance it out more.
Well, you have to get 7 kills in a row to "earn" a chopper, luckily there isn't a perk that summons a chopper every time you're dumb enough to get shot.Baonec said:People say that martyrdom is cheap, why? Ok it will kill anyone that runs over your corpse but it is easily avoided. It is NOT cheap if you consider it cheap because you didn't work for it I assume you consider the chopper or dogs cheap too? you don't have to work for the kills they get surely getting 7 kills doesn't warrant you getting another 7 for doing nothing any kills acheived by the chopper/dogs require no skill therefore are cheap. Back on topic i'd like to see a perk free playlist, no vehicles and a much better solo campaign.
Are you kidding me? I don't use it and I don't stay on servers that allow it, or noob tube, but I can overlook noob tubes, they can be used properly but still take less skill than every other weapon. Plenty of people would buy the game without martyrdom in it,Martyrdom takes no skill whatsoever and it is the cheapest perk in the game, period.Spartan Bannana said:Deal with it. That's all I have to say to this. Yes, Martyrdom is annoying, but we all use it, and nobody would buy CoD: MW2 if they took it out, so Deal With IT!Baneat said:Right, so If someone throws a grenade near me, and then I kill them in a small room, there is NO way to get out because I have nowhere to run. Throwing back is bad because the timer's so short I have to be right beside them. Also, I can get killed in the process of throwing it or because it needs to be thrown so quickly that I can't aim it properly, often it'll blow up in my face. So Boohoo, yeah, it makes sense that people blow up when you kill them.
SECONDED LIKE A *****!Richard Groovy Pants said:You can't ignore something forever.
When something is as bad as martyrdom then yes they should change it and condemn everyone who uses it. It may not affect the daft people who play the game for the 'giggles' but the ones who are pro at it find martyrdom very annoying. You go up to a building full of opponents and you clear them all out just to be killed by the last one who left a grenade in it. How is that fair? How is that showing skill? It's a cheap way to earn some points and only idiots use martyrdom.
And I wouldn't know about not buying the game, if someone offered me two versions of the new CoD one with grenade spammage and martyrdom and the other one without them I'd go with the second one. But that's just me, and my massive brain. :\
No. Don't bring Gears of Wars cover system or other types of cover system into FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS, if you don't know how to stop bullets with walls and actually lean then that's your fault, don't dumb games down because people are...well...dumb.SteveDave said:A better cover system?
I pooh-pooh on games like Gears of War, pooh-pooh I SAY!
Well, the whole point of CoD is to emulate a Hollywood war film. Taking out the Americans would make it un-patriotic.Rajin Cajun said:No more Americans this is what I want to see in CoD4 end the madness! Seriously as an American I grow tired of the Ra Ra Shish Boom Ba Go America battlecry that is becoming Call of Duty.
Its cheap becauseBaonec said:People say that martyrdom is cheap, why? Ok it will kill anyone that runs over your corpse but it is easily avoided. It is NOT cheap if you consider it cheap because you didn't work for it I assume you consider the chopper or dogs cheap too? you don't have to work for the kills they get surely getting 7 kills doesn't warrant you getting another 7 for doing nothing any kills acheived by the chopper/dogs require no skill therefore are cheap. Back on topic i'd like to see a perk free playlist, no vehicles and a much better solo campaign.
You are the one taking it out of context. Being tactical is good and I respect that immensely. But to sit there and ***** about a perfectly fair move that I'm sure happens in real life all the time is rubbish. I wouldn't even be opposed to your former idea that martydom should be your entire class and you can't use guns with it but instead are loaded with c4. So let's just agree to disagree and go back to our sad little existances...Richard Groovy Pants said:The game is aiming to be realistic, and you're taking it out of context so I won't even respond to your situation.samsprinkle said:So you are saying then that this game should be totally and completely realistic. In that case let's just walk down that road and tell me...If a group of people who you hated with the utmost intensity gunned you down and were walking toward you as you breathed your last breathes, you wouldn't pull the pin on your last grenade and end them? Let's walk down the 'fair' path now...Richard Groovy Pants said:Your comment is shallower than the kiddies pool.samsprinkle said:Why all the hate on Last stand and martydom? I myself only occasionally use these. But come on guys, it's call modern WARFARE and you know what they say. "all is fair in love and war"
Better yet it's called MODERN warfare. If you knew anything about MODERN warfare you knew that it involves a lot of thinking and tactics. MODERN warfare is a lot more conspicuous and subtle than WW2 was, so grenade spammage, martyrdoms and as such doesn't really fit in.
Are nukes 'fair'? Why didn't USA just nuked Iraq? If there was another world war countries wouldn't use nukes (hopefully) because it would destroy the planet and no one wants that.
The game devs could have easily made a martyrdom class. The player would be stripped from all weapons and given a suicide dynamite pack. He would then try to close up on enemies and blow himself up. But that would get a lot of hate from the media wouldn't it?
But no no! This is the game industry! We don't need thinking in here! Lets just make games with more gore, tits and explosions so we can appease the dumb unwashed masses!
If however I was in a army squad fighting another squad and they just rushed the room and gunned me down, if I had the strength to pull a grenade pin then I wouldn't BECAUSE MY SQUAD WAS STILL IN THE ROOM, and I might have a chance of survival after.
I think this is basic logic although I could be wrong.