Don't go there, Richard. You've made a few punctuation mistakes in this thread yourself, and to call him out on his own wouldn't be the best idea.Richard Groovy Pants said:
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Wait, was your only argument against him not knowing what tense he was talking with? Don't get me wrong, it's fun to watch this (albeit fit for Escapist) flame war, so don't let that stop you from being completely inane.Richard Groovy Pants said:
Has anybody ever told you that you had a short fuse? Jeez. I really reccomend that you never go into theater.Richard Groovy Pants said:
I don't know anything about Ranger SOP or whatnot, but if they check fresh corpses for grenades primed just prior to death during a fire fight (which is very much distinct from, say, a retreating enemy leaving booby-traps), then that's what they do, no way around it; it's considered part of "Modern Combat". If, mind you.
Could someone post a link to that Ranger SOP so it can be indepdently checked? Would make a fun read anyway...
Could someone post a link to that Ranger SOP so it can be indepdently checked? Would make a fun read anyway...
Wait a minute...mattttherman3 said:
Realism: BAM, shot in the head - time to pull out a grenade! Oh, haha, an airstrike was just called in on me and blew me to pieces... better pull out that grenade! Regardless of whether they check bodies or not, nobody is going to have enough time or energy to pull out a grenade in these kinds of situations. Pins on grenades aren't easy to pull out either. This applies especially in World at War, where your arms and legs can get removed.
Unless the grenade was somehow hooked up to their vest, ready to be pulled if they fell over (which seems hard to imagine, may be possible though).
Game balance: On a low-populated server, Martyrdom is often easy to avoid. On a 16 - 32+ TDM, it becomes more and more difficult not to get killed by it. Now this isn't a perk where you get punished for silliness by dying from Martydom - it is a perk where you actually have to concentrate not to get hit by. The perk temporarily provides area denial to the killer and in CoD4, those seconds out of cover usually mean you'll get hit.
If you are caught in a corner a couple of metres away from the 2.5 second grenade, there is no time to run to it and throw back nor is there any escape route. I understand this perk may be used to clear out campers but most of the time it just gets that poor fellow who happened to stand in a bad spot.
Enjoyment: Although realism is a good thing to have in games, it must also fit the game's purpose; to provide enjoyment to the player. It's alright when a small amount of players use Martyrdom. It may provide a break in the enjoyment by having to stop but it's not too bad. The problem is 90% of people online use it. So now everywhere you run, there is a grenade on the ground. You can run away... into another one ready to explode. Your team-mate killed a guy, he runs off while you turn the corner to receive the blast. Is that fun?
So you respawn instantly. What about your kill streak? You may have really worked to get those 6 kills and want just 1 more but you are denied that because of someone's choice in the Create-a-Class menu. What about that time running back to where you were before? Getting back into position is especially annoying for stealth players who may have had to dodge airstrikes, helicopters, nades and other players to get there.
Perks are part of the game's mechanics. They actually change a lot about how the game is played (such as Extreme Conditioning changing map dynamics, Stopping Power for damage or Juggernaut for health). Martyrdom not only doesn't make sense in the real-world discussion, it also doesn't add any enjoyment to players of CoD4.
Whether you can dodge it easily or not, it's rarely enjoyable either outcome.
As a kind request, it's easier to debate if things aren't taken out of proportion to make straw man arguments or contexts are changed.
For MW2 my wish is that they improve the engine to give the feel of a new game and not a modded CoD4. I also hope they use near-future weapons and maybe some different countries in the single-player.
Unless the grenade was somehow hooked up to their vest, ready to be pulled if they fell over (which seems hard to imagine, may be possible though).
Game balance: On a low-populated server, Martyrdom is often easy to avoid. On a 16 - 32+ TDM, it becomes more and more difficult not to get killed by it. Now this isn't a perk where you get punished for silliness by dying from Martydom - it is a perk where you actually have to concentrate not to get hit by. The perk temporarily provides area denial to the killer and in CoD4, those seconds out of cover usually mean you'll get hit.
If you are caught in a corner a couple of metres away from the 2.5 second grenade, there is no time to run to it and throw back nor is there any escape route. I understand this perk may be used to clear out campers but most of the time it just gets that poor fellow who happened to stand in a bad spot.
Enjoyment: Although realism is a good thing to have in games, it must also fit the game's purpose; to provide enjoyment to the player. It's alright when a small amount of players use Martyrdom. It may provide a break in the enjoyment by having to stop but it's not too bad. The problem is 90% of people online use it. So now everywhere you run, there is a grenade on the ground. You can run away... into another one ready to explode. Your team-mate killed a guy, he runs off while you turn the corner to receive the blast. Is that fun?
So you respawn instantly. What about your kill streak? You may have really worked to get those 6 kills and want just 1 more but you are denied that because of someone's choice in the Create-a-Class menu. What about that time running back to where you were before? Getting back into position is especially annoying for stealth players who may have had to dodge airstrikes, helicopters, nades and other players to get there.
Perks are part of the game's mechanics. They actually change a lot about how the game is played (such as Extreme Conditioning changing map dynamics, Stopping Power for damage or Juggernaut for health). Martyrdom not only doesn't make sense in the real-world discussion, it also doesn't add any enjoyment to players of CoD4.
Whether you can dodge it easily or not, it's rarely enjoyable either outcome.
As a kind request, it's easier to debate if things aren't taken out of proportion to make straw man arguments or contexts are changed.
For MW2 my wish is that they improve the engine to give the feel of a new game and not a modded CoD4. I also hope they use near-future weapons and maybe some different countries in the single-player.
I'd like multiplayer to NOT have over-the-top attacks that make it way too easy and non-challenging.
Good sir, I feel your pain and agree whole heartedly. I too, must play against siblings in substitution for online gaming and would prefer computer opponents to people who scream and break my things when I win.Dumplebush said:
I'd like to see some REAL co-op. CoD5 is a single player game with co-op tacked on. If it were done well, it could be a great next step for the series.
You see, you spend just about the entirety of every CoD game being told what to do by someone of a higher rank. The character you play is nothing more than a name to identify you. If they could design a co-op game in which the officer gives different instructions to you and your teammates, it could end up being incredibly intense and immersive.
You see, you spend just about the entirety of every CoD game being told what to do by someone of a higher rank. The character you play is nothing more than a name to identify you. If they could design a co-op game in which the officer gives different instructions to you and your teammates, it could end up being incredibly intense and immersive.
Longer campaign
More accurate hit detection in multiplayer. (which is the reason I haven't play COD4 on the PC in a month)
More accurate hit detection in multiplayer. (which is the reason I haven't play COD4 on the PC in a month)
-No more infinite spawn enemies in singleplayer, or at least give the player indications from teammate yells so that they know they're not going to progress by fighting.
-3x grenades reduced to 2x grenades. Make players less willing to throw grenades on a guess and the grenade spam goes down.
-NO MARTYRDOM. It doesn't kill any competent players but it screws up the entire game dynamic by turning every soldier out there into a walking pinata. It's a little ridiculous for every player to be forced to run away from corpses.
-No stopping power, the game is currently "balanced" because everybody has access to it, but it screws up the gun balance so that everybody just dashes around with SMGs knowing that they handle better, shoot faster, and hit just as hard as the assault rifles. This is fine because everyone has access, but it also makes many of the other guns obsolete.
-3x grenades reduced to 2x grenades. Make players less willing to throw grenades on a guess and the grenade spam goes down.
-NO MARTYRDOM. It doesn't kill any competent players but it screws up the entire game dynamic by turning every soldier out there into a walking pinata. It's a little ridiculous for every player to be forced to run away from corpses.
-No stopping power, the game is currently "balanced" because everybody has access to it, but it screws up the gun balance so that everybody just dashes around with SMGs knowing that they handle better, shoot faster, and hit just as hard as the assault rifles. This is fine because everyone has access, but it also makes many of the other guns obsolete.
If WAW used the same system as UO of respawning explosives/antitank weapons or emplacements then the addition of tanks would have been more balanced.Flour said:
Again how can you comment on Treyarch's design without having played WAW in which at least two levels start with both teams in grenade distance of each other.
Yes some levels give one team a small advantage, but if on creek the skilled sniper was on the other side then he would still be able to stop the opposing team from advancing. You reason that having a good player swings the game in that teams favour (which is obviously correct). However you reason that its the level that makes the player good, if the player was that skilled it wouldn't matter which team he was on, he could still sway the game.
I agree that shipment was a stupid level, but if you played the 6v6 games it was never in the map rotation, it was meant mainly for cage matches or very small matches.
I know how the respawn system works, my argument was that the level design was so bad that the respawn points are in open places, often directly in enemy crosshairs.