Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

[CrazyBerk]

that I'm sure happens in real life all the time is rubbish.

I'll stop you again here because it simply doesn't.
1- A simple infantry runt doesn't carry more than 2 grenades with him.
2- Taking 10 0.30 calibre bullets to the torso leaves you with no strength left in you.
3- If you take those bullets in the arm or leg you'll be more worried about getting to cover rather than throwing grenades.

Stop thinking that war is all fun and games and stop taking what Hollywood presents you in a silver plater as a general rule! If someone gets gunned down with a rifle HE WON'T BE REACHING FOR HIS GRENADE. He'll be skirming with his last breaths and feeling horrendous unimaginable pain.

Amen! Out of this mini debate thats emerged in this thread about the sequal to CoD4 i have to agree with Richard Groovy Pants, i fucking HATE martrydom. Most unbalanced perk you can get on that game.

 

[shadow skill]

You know for all the noobs crying about the mere suggestion of a cover mechanic all a cover mechanic is, is a way to collapse the lean keys found in FPS like Fear, Crysis, and the PC version of Call of Duty 4 no less and others onto one button or create some other context sensitive mechanic to account for the lack of buttons on a pad. That you cannot lean in the Console version of COD 4 pissed me off, that they took it out of the online mode for Killzone 2 annoys me to no end. The leaning business is one of the few things I think Socom Confrontation got right.

Just because Gears is shit at this mechanic does not make it bad.

As far as Martyrdom goes, at the end of the day the problem with that perk is that eventually no one will ever fall for it rendering it useless for most maps.

As far as the sequel I would love for them to figure out a way to work leaning into the console version of the game (Though if I was to get it I may seriously consider PC version as terrible as I am beause it hurts to play southpaw on the console the way they tend to fuck up that layout.) I want a shotgun that does not suck and is clip or drum fed for once.

 

[Flour]

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I'm basing it on my previous experience with Treyarch(CoD:UO) which has respawning explosives; satchel charges(IIRC), bazookas, panzershreks, and panzerfausts.(some levels even have flak 88s)

CoD4's maps are not balanced or even tested properly. If they did test the levels, then those testers should be fired because having two teams start within grenade distance from each other should never be an option in multiplayer.
Every map has a massive disadvantage for one team. Creek(IIRC) had Spetznas start on the high ground, one skilled sniper could almost completely stop the entire enemy team from advancing, all that sniper had to do was climb on top of the roof of the house.(that's why I use 'skilled sniper' and not just 'sniper', a skilled sniper will rarely be killed by other snipers)
Then we have Shipment, the level where one airstrike can wipe out the opposite team, where one heli can continue to destroy the opposite team, and where the best tactic is to throw your 3 grenades before shooting through every wall with your M249 and sleight of hand.

Call of Duty uses a dynamic respawn system, this means that you'll be spawned furthest from the action, closest to one of your teammates. This could mean that you spawn next to a teammate right before he gets shot, or in front of a few enemies. This has been a problem since CoD1 and can not be fixed.(or IW is too lazy to fix their respawn system)

I'm quite sure I missed some parts of your post, but it's late and I have to delete most of my games because securom killed my dvd drive again.(securom hates my dvd drive)

 

[Rajin Cajun]

*snipity snip snip*

You are the one taking it out of context.

I am? Well lets analyse the situation better shall we? You're talking about a group of people 'who I hate that gunned me down' that means you're talking about domestic issues to some extent. How does relate to the army, military tactics and modern warfare? NOTHING that's what.

I'm talking about 2 opposing squads fighting each other in the field of battle. Stop defying logic.

Being tactical is good and I respect that immensely. But to sit there and ***** about a perfectly fair move

Alright I'll stop you right here to point how that it is NOT a 'perfectly fair move'.

Picture this if you will. Soldier A sees soldier B 20 feet in front of him, soldier B meets soldier A eyes and both start shooting at each other. Soldier A has the better aim and takes down soldier B.

With this we can say that the most skilled soldier of the two was soldier A and he was entitled to gun down soldier B because he had better aim. Soldier A takes soldier's B cover as a reward. However soldier B just took out a grenade and killed both.

How is it fair explain me? Soldier A demonstrated skill by gunning down soldier B, soldier B showed skill by....screwing the other soldier in the butt?! Please!

that I'm sure happens in real life all the time is rubbish.

I'll stop you again here because it simply doesn't.

1- A simple infantry runt doesn't carry more than 2 grenades with him.
2- Taking 10 0.30 calibre bullets to the torso leaves you with no strength left in you.
3- If you take those bullets in the arm or leg you'll be more worried about getting to cover rather than throwing grenades.

Stop thinking that war is all fun and games and stop taking what Hollywood presents you in a silver plater as a general rule! If someone gets gunned down with a rifle HE WON'T BE REACHING FOR HIS GRENADE. He'll be skirming with his last breaths and feeling horrendous unimaginable pain.

I wouldn't even be opposed to your former idea that martydom should be your entire class and you can't use guns with it but instead are loaded with c4. So let's just agree to disagree and go back to our sad little existances...

If we all agreed to disagree society wouldn't evolve. I've got an idea tough, lets accept that one of the two ideas we are defending is actually more correct than the other. Only then we can move on, because the debate made us both better men.

I don't like quoting other forum members 'catchphrases' but if I took some of your arguments the wrong way, apologies abound.

You are a kidding me right? I seriously hope to god this is a joke. People pulling grenades or booby trapping themselves before they enter combat is nothing new. Jesus you kids and your delusions that warfare is nice and clean and fits in a box this is why I hate CoD for the stupidity it breeds about Modern Warfare. If people blowing themselves up on the battlefield wasn't a problem then why do the US Army Rangers train to check bodies that could do just that? Give me a fuckin break with this QQ and at least show some brains people committing suicide or booby trapping themselves on the field of battle is nothing new.

 

[Dommyboy]

Needs bots for multiplayer. They could just go with Duke Nukem style bots that run around randomly hitting the walls.

 

[DirkGently]

Are people still bickering about martyrdom and the like? Yes, it's unrealistic, but so is having your bullets suddenly do more damage, getting bullets out a gun and off a body by walking over it, being able to knife some in the foot and have them die, instantly, being able to reload half way, start sprinting, stop, and having full ammo or pretty much every little glitch and every perk except for slot 1 (other than bomb squad). Martyrdom was put in as an extra chance to get a kill post-mortem, or to keep an enemy off an objective with your death, or out of walking a certain way, or to give last chance "Charge into the HQ before it's captured" runs of desperation. It's extremely easy to dodge, throwaway, or just not be affected by it.

If martyrdom is 'unrealistic' then so is a lot of a COD.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

*snipity snip snip*

You are the one taking it out of context.

I am? Well lets analyse the situation better shall we? You're talking about a group of people 'who I hate that gunned me down' that means you're talking about domestic issues to some extent. How does relate to the army, military tactics and modern warfare? NOTHING that's what.

I'm talking about 2 opposing squads fighting each other in the field of battle. Stop defying logic.

Being tactical is good and I respect that immensely. But to sit there and ***** about a perfectly fair move

Alright I'll stop you right here to point how that it is NOT a 'perfectly fair move'.

Picture this if you will. Soldier A sees soldier B 20 feet in front of him, soldier B meets soldier A eyes and both start shooting at each other. Soldier A has the better aim and takes down soldier B.

With this we can say that the most skilled soldier of the two was soldier A and he was entitled to gun down soldier B because he had better aim. Soldier A takes soldier's B cover as a reward. However soldier B just took out a grenade and killed both.

How is it fair explain me? Soldier A demonstrated skill by gunning down soldier B, soldier B showed skill by....screwing the other soldier in the butt?! Please!

that I'm sure happens in real life all the time is rubbish.

I'll stop you again here because it simply doesn't.

1- A simple infantry runt doesn't carry more than 2 grenades with him.
2- Taking 10 0.30 calibre bullets to the torso leaves you with no strength left in you.
3- If you take those bullets in the arm or leg you'll be more worried about getting to cover rather than throwing grenades.

Stop thinking that war is all fun and games and stop taking what Hollywood presents you in a silver plater as a general rule! If someone gets gunned down with a rifle HE WON'T BE REACHING FOR HIS GRENADE. He'll be skirming with his last breaths and feeling horrendous unimaginable pain.

I wouldn't even be opposed to your former idea that martydom should be your entire class and you can't use guns with it but instead are loaded with c4. So let's just agree to disagree and go back to our sad little existances...

If we all agreed to disagree society wouldn't evolve. I've got an idea tough, lets accept that one of the two ideas we are defending is actually more correct than the other. Only then we can move on, because the debate made us both better men.

I don't like quoting other forum members 'catchphrases' but if I took some of your arguments the wrong way, apologies abound.

You are a kidding me right? I seriously hope to god this is a joke. People pulling grenades or booby trapping themselves before they enter combat is nothing new. Jesus you kids and your delusions that warfare is nice and clean and fits in a box this is why I hate CoD for the stupidity it breeds about Modern Warfare. If people blowing themselves up on the battlefield wasn't a problem then why do the US Army Rangers train to check bodies that could do just that? Give me a fuckin break with this QQ and at least show some brains people committing suicide or booby trapping themselves on the field of battle is nothing new.

Right I'm the one not showing brains. Yet you're the one who doesn't understand the difference between past and present tenses. We're talking about DURING COMBAT. Not before.

There ya go, your retarded points bites the dust. To be fair though I hope your reply was a joke as well.

I am talking about during combat nice try though try learning some SOP instead of babbling? Ok thanks. US Army Rangers check people they ambush and kill for booby trabs or live grenades so take the whining elsewhere.

 

[Bored Tomatoe]

The ability to finally be able to play goddamn split-screen online! Why have they not gotten onto this yet?

 

[Rajin Cajun]

*snip

So you're saying that people start turning themselves into live booby traps while under fire? I find that statement ludicrous. People are know to put explosives around their waistBEFORE THE COMBAT STARTS. How the hell would someone bandage up a pair of dynamites to their waste and go 'LALALALA' on someone else while under fire? Stop watching movies. If someone takes a hit to the torso the last thing they'll do is reach for their grenades. Stop taking what Hollywood feeds you as a general rule.

If you don't like the 'whining' well too bad, these here are forums. I'm perfectly entitled to discuss whatever I want as long as it abides the forum rules, if you don't like it well you can throw a tantrum over it but sooner or later you'll have to realise that the world doesn't work as you want to kay?


Oh and learn punctuation.

Fail again this has nothing to do with Hollywood this has to do with actual US Army Infantry SOP. Everybody is checked for live ordinance or boobytraps after they are liquidated. Nice try though.

 

[sneakypenguin]

The ability to finally be able to play goddamn split-screen online! Why have they not gotten onto this yet?

The 360 and prolly ps3 couldn't handle 60 FPS with the draw distances and resolution that the multiplayer normally has. Notice on halo with splitscreen there is popup and lo res to hi res pop in depending on distance.



Wow what's with this debate on martyrdom. Its it the game so deal, I never get killed by it(you hear the click and see a giant grenade icon pop up on your screen) Debating on if it's realistic or not is stupid. heck if the game was supposed to be realistic you would get one bullet hit then lay on the ground in pain for 15 min till you die or whatnot. Its for fun and to use as a tactic, debating over this gives us nerds a bad image.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

*snip

So you're saying that people start turning themselves into live booby traps while under fire? I find that statement ludicrous. People are know to put explosives around their waistBEFORE THE COMBAT STARTS. How the hell would someone bandage up a pair of dynamites to their waste and go 'LALALALA' on someone else while under fire? Stop watching movies. If someone takes a hit to the torso the last thing they'll do is reach for their grenades. Stop taking what Hollywood feeds you as a general rule.

If you don't like the 'whining' well too bad, these here are forums. I'm perfectly entitled to discuss whatever I want as long as it abides the forum rules, if you don't like it well you can throw a tantrum over it but sooner or later you'll have to realise that the world doesn't work as you want to kay?


Oh and learn punctuation.

Fail again this has nothing to do with Hollywood this has to do with actual US Army Infantry SOP. Everybody is checked for live ordinance or boobytraps after they are liquidated. Nice try though.

I don't get it, how are you contesting what I said? You're not exactly using counter-arguments, since I already said they do check people for booby-traps.

Thanks for supporting me though.

No you are not getting it they check to see if someone has primed a grenade while laying among dead and wounded. It is a two man operation to check a unit that was recently liquidated the men split off into pairs and check each body by quickly lifting it up slightly so that the other man can clear said individual and make sure they are not carrying a primed explosive device. This happens immediately after a combat action.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

*snip

So you're saying that people start turning themselves into live booby traps while under fire? I find that statement ludicrous. People are know to put explosives around their waistBEFORE THE COMBAT STARTS. How the hell would someone bandage up a pair of dynamites to their waste and go 'LALALALA' on someone else while under fire? Stop watching movies. If someone takes a hit to the torso the last thing they'll do is reach for their grenades. Stop taking what Hollywood feeds you as a general rule.

If you don't like the 'whining' well too bad, these here are forums. I'm perfectly entitled to discuss whatever I want as long as it abides the forum rules, if you don't like it well you can throw a tantrum over it but sooner or later you'll have to realise that the world doesn't work as you want to kay?


Oh and learn punctuation.

Fail again this has nothing to do with Hollywood this has to do with actual US Army Infantry SOP. Everybody is checked for live ordinance or boobytraps after they are liquidated. Nice try though.

I don't get it, how are you contesting what I said? You're not exactly using counter-arguments, since I already said they do check people for booby-traps.

Thanks for supporting me though.

No you are not getting it they check to see if someone has primed a grenade while laying among dead and wounded. It is a two man operation to check a unit that was recently liquidated the men split off into pairs and check each body by quickly lifting it up slightly so that the other man can clear said individual and make sure they are not carrying a primed explosive device. This happens immediately after a combat action.

We're talking about DURING COMBAT

And that ladies and gentlemen is a KO.

No its not. WTF. We are talking about an enemy using a primed explosive while playing dead is possible aka martyr. One need only to read through AAR's of the PTO during WWII to find hundreds of accounts of it.

 

[Misnomer]

How about for COD 4.2 to be developed for PC then ported to xbox..... I know there are more users on xbox, but maybe we could beta test some of the giant bugs out of it for you.

Oh and maybe check your weapons files before you release so you don't leave in things like the P90/M21 sprint modifier, silenced g3 knife error, shotgun iron sight range decrease....just to name a few.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

*snip

So you're saying that people start turning themselves into live booby traps while under fire? I find that statement ludicrous. People are know to put explosives around their waistBEFORE THE COMBAT STARTS. How the hell would someone bandage up a pair of dynamites to their waste and go 'LALALALA' on someone else while under fire? Stop watching movies. If someone takes a hit to the torso the last thing they'll do is reach for their grenades. Stop taking what Hollywood feeds you as a general rule.

If you don't like the 'whining' well too bad, these here are forums. I'm perfectly entitled to discuss whatever I want as long as it abides the forum rules, if you don't like it well you can throw a tantrum over it but sooner or later you'll have to realise that the world doesn't work as you want to kay?


Oh and learn punctuation.

Fail again this has nothing to do with Hollywood this has to do with actual US Army Infantry SOP. Everybody is checked for live ordinance or boobytraps after they are liquidated. Nice try though.

I don't get it, how are you contesting what I said? You're not exactly using counter-arguments, since I already said they do check people for booby-traps.

Thanks for supporting me though.

No you are not getting it they check to see if someone has primed a grenade while laying among dead and wounded. It is a two man operation to check a unit that was recently liquidated the men split off into pairs and check each body by quickly lifting it up slightly so that the other man can clear said individual and make sure they are not carrying a primed explosive device. This happens immediately after a combat action.

We're talking about DURING COMBAT

And that ladies and gentlemen is a KO.

No its not. WTF. We are talking about an enemy using a primed explosive while playing dead is possible aka martyr. One need only to read through AAR's of the PTO during WWII to find hundreds of accounts of it.

You don't know if he's arming the explosive while he's LAYING dead do you, for all you know he could have armed it before going into combat? I find it hard to believe that after getting 7 bullets trough your torso you still have strength to 'arm an explosive'. And even if he does, that's AFTER combat. Combat is over when the opponent is NEUTRALIZED. Which means he is no longer a direct threat.

God, why am I pointing out such simple things? :\

WTF does 7 bullets in a torso have to do with anything? Jesus talk about a Red Herring it was a discussion that explosives used by enemies on the battlefield faking death or injury are common hence what CoD was going for though it was poorly implemented but that is what it was after. Anyways I would like you to be involved in a actual firefight and be able to tell me who actually got hit once the shit has already hit the fan...yes good luck with that.