And she was more there for the purpose of having an escort mission.Deviluk said:
OT: I think MAG is giving away a female skin with preorders from gamestop.... Does that count?
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OT: I think MAG is giving away a female skin with preorders from gamestop.... Does that count?
Quick stop-point here before you damage your credibility.rompsku said:
"Chicks" don't really like it when you refer to them as that. They prefer something with a little more class. Mostly.
And, breaking down into tears is one of the things that stops PTSD from happening.
But, for female based gunfighters, NOLF, Jagged Alliance, X-Com, Starcraft. There's also the problem that a lot of the units have unidentified gender, and are referred to as class, like Tanks.
The reason why women aren't allowed on front line duty is beacuse men would freak out if she was killed.
Biologically? BULLSHIT!Malicious said:
If a boy and girl were trained exactly the same from birth to be killing machines, I bet 9 out of 10, the chick would kick the guy's ass. Society conditions females to be the 'pussies' that they are. Forcing girls to play with barbies and ponies and scolding them for doing anything remotely masculine is what makes women suck at combat in general. Not any biological or emotional handicap.
In general, a trained female combatant could handle almost any wartime situation as good or better than a man. I'd say it's 90% training and practice and 10% genes, not because of any biological difference. Genetically, a female may be more prone to certain actions or emotions that will effect her negatively in combat. But with the right training, that can be negated. And any female with the right training can beat any male in physical combat.
And by training, I obviously include a small dose of subliminal messaging/brainwashing as that is what armies do to make their soldiers the death dealing machines that they are.
Halo does have female soldiers, at least Halo 2 and 3 do, can't really remember many female characters in the first one, besides the Pelican pilot. But Halo 2 and Halo 3 have female soldiers that fight along side you, the same as the male ones, none of the characters make a big deal of it, so that's a fairly balanced view of women as soldiers.rompsku said:
I'm fairly sure that you pulled that out of your ass, the U.S. Army at least, doesn't let females get into close combat infantry MOS. It's because: 1 the female body is (generally) less suited for carrying the huge amount of gear and body armor that our modern soldiers wear and 2 Men would notice that they are females. The men would react more adversely to seeing a woman get shot, possibly compromising a mission. And... women in the Army are pretty much constantly pregnant and that is a get out of deployment free card.Mercanary57 said:
Not to sound wrong or anything, but I would love to shoot a bunch of women dead in an FPS.rompsku said:
A woman's body and strength are naturally biologically inferior to a man's. You might get turned on by masculine women but what you just said doesnt really make any sense.rompsku said:
How can a female who trained as much as a male, beat the male in combat? Are men physically inferior to women? Thats what you believe?
Primarily there are not many women in the army or the frontlines because most women dont see the army as a career option, just as most men wouldnt choose to be a fashion designer or a ballet dancer. War has been for a long time a man job as women stayed in the home, taking care of the kids. Now im not saying thats right, and women are not fit to be soldiers, but thats the current state of things and i accept it.
Games are depictions of real life so thats why there are not so many women. However In COD series there are always women soldiers in your team mainly when you play as a soviet.
There is sexism, and there is realism. I'm not at all against women in the armed forces, and I'm not saying that there are things men can do that women cannot (excluding penis-related activities). All I'm saying is that there are roles that men are better suited towards, and there are roles that women are better suited towards. Biologically speaking, women are configured to be mothers, nurturers if you will. This means they are not as wired for combat and defense as men might be, being the more naturally muscular 'protectors'. Women also seem to be more social when it comes to dealing with stress. [http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200009/tend-and-befriend]rompsku said:
My point is, while I do not believe women are incapable of doing things men can do, with proper training, I do believe there are things men are better for, and vice versa. If we know that men more easily build muscle, which they generally do, and that women are influenced emotionally in varying degrees by hormones once a month, then it is simple to deduce that men would be better suited towards a combat role, where they will typically (there are always exceptions) stay calm with more regularity than women. Depending on the woman in question (and possibly time of the month), however, I doubt that there will be an actually noticeable difference in their ability to stay calm under pressure. But as the military is in the business of fighting wars (or 'peacekeeping'), and not in the business of finding out per individual what they are best suited for, they will always make generalizations.
In closing, I'd just like to reiterate that I am sure that women are capable of performing admirably in every combat role with proper training, and I know that there are women that can kick my ass so hard I will wish I was born without pain receptors, but it is simply the result of biological predispositions and, now that I think about it, cultural values.
Less intelligent men are more likely to join the army and unquestioningly follow orders, while less intelligent women are more likely to want to become famous and/or attractive (again, exceptions abound). As a military leader, male recruits are more plentiful and more likely to follow orders without question (I'm fairly smart, and I know I'd probably question every order I got, even if I did follow all of them). Female recruits are less numerous and, on average, more intelligent. Therefore they hold less value for a front line role than men, although they might be excellent candidates for pilots or tank crew.
Anyway, women =/= men, men =/> women, women =/> men, and I'm going to stop derailing this topic from the original question, women on the battlefield in video games. Keep in mind that most of what I have said is from my own general knowledge, which might be off, since I haven't read up on women in the army lately.
About women in videogames.. Maybe the problem isn't a lack of female combatants in games, but the lack of female developers in the industry. Stick that in your pipe and contemplate it.
rompsku said:
If they were trained exactly the same the man would win. If the training is the same then the thing that would be different is the natural body's hormones. Ever heard of testosterone? It increases the amount of physical strength gained from working out. Males have more of it.
You can't say a woman is better because she's a woman. Science, it's what matters. And feminists these days don't fight for equality, they fight for superiority. If women get the same privileges as men they should get the same penalties (e.g. selective service) too.
Isreal conscripts women into active combat duty for it's army, but I think they're the only ones.
Like others have said, men react poorly to seeing women injured or killed by the enemy, performing actions which put themselves of their squad at risk. Not really what you want.
Women can be in pretty much any other part of the army (in UK at least) though I think. Pilots, medics, engineers etc.
I know it's not an FPS, but Dawn of War has a whole army made up of women, the Sisters of Battle. I cant think of any FPS that haven't already been mentioned.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I have a sneaking suspicion you could have females in your team on the first Ghost Recon game (and it's expansions) who could fight alongside you. It's an old game, but it's still great fun.
Like others have said, men react poorly to seeing women injured or killed by the enemy, performing actions which put themselves of their squad at risk. Not really what you want.
Women can be in pretty much any other part of the army (in UK at least) though I think. Pilots, medics, engineers etc.
I know it's not an FPS, but Dawn of War has a whole army made up of women, the Sisters of Battle. I cant think of any FPS that haven't already been mentioned.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I have a sneaking suspicion you could have females in your team on the first Ghost Recon game (and it's expansions) who could fight alongside you. It's an old game, but it's still great fun.
Males and females are basically the same, except for the difference that males get 5% more muscle mass than girls at birth (not very much and remember, at birth) and girls are slightly more resistant to disease and infection.rompsku said:
Thing is, it seems like males get the short end of the biological stick here because that's "at birth", meaning excluding further development.
Which means that you have to look at people as developed beings, not for what they were like when they were children.
Really, what's more important than the starting point is what you do with yourself.
If you're "built" for war, you'll do war, if not, you won't.
Gender does not effect this, perhaps aside from the commonly held truth that women are violent psychopaths who don't feel pain because they're really aliens.
Like Black Patriot said Halo has quite a large amount of female characters. Foehammer, one of the most reccuring characters of the first game is female. Cortana, Captain Miranda Keys, the AI from Halo Wars are all female. Quite a few female marines turn up in Halo 2 and 3, this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6-xq4itvHs&feature=PlayList&p=E3D9EECA8D30313D&index=4] one actually shows more backbone than a male marine. Halo: ODST had quite a few female roles apparently but I've yet to play that and Halo Reach looks like it has at least one female Spartan.
Most games, especially FPS, are sasuage fests though and while in some cases this is justified many others are not. You would expect Gears of War to have some female soldiers seeing as how criminals, the sick and the old are conscripted. Elderly Lunatics are given guns but not women willing to fight? Yeah...
Most games, especially FPS, are sasuage fests though and while in some cases this is justified many others are not. You would expect Gears of War to have some female soldiers seeing as how criminals, the sick and the old are conscripted. Elderly Lunatics are given guns but not women willing to fight? Yeah...
ODST has a female in charge of the squad, and there is a recurring back story about a young woman before the Covenant attack on New Mombasa. All in all I'd say Halo has been fairly balanced in terms of gender equality.
Actually in the Halo novels there are several female Spartans, all of which are just as combat capable as the males. And Fire Demon is right, there are female Spartans in Halo Reach, so that should be interesting.
Actually in the Halo novels there are several female Spartans, all of which are just as combat capable as the males. And Fire Demon is right, there are female Spartans in Halo Reach, so that should be interesting.