Change.org Petition Demands Legal Gay Marriage For Ernie and Bert

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RevRaptor

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Leave Ernie and Bert alone you damn retards.
I'm all for gay rights but this is just stupid. It's a kids show, they are too young to get sexuality rammed down their throats ya sick bastards. Kids should not be exposed to sexual situations gay or otherwise.
 

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This doesn't have to deal with "liberals", but rather a tiny minority of GLBT hardcores who, likely due to the horrible treatment and discrimination they've faced, have radical views on the subject that don't always serve their cause. There's a minority that tries to "out" people they think are gay, and feel that celebrities that are gay and in the closet are basically harming the gay population by not using their social standing or being honest with their fans - Queen Latifa and her "Personal Trainer" kinda thing.

As we can see from even this thread, there is still a lot of prejudice against GLBTQ individuals, and thus there's a dialog in the entertainment and public industry, to ensure that heterosexual relationships aren't the only ones considered "normal" in media. I'm all for this, in that the American sitcom "Modern Family" for example. I also support campaigns like George Takei's that provide emotional support and counseling to GLBT youth to deal with things like coming out, getting away from abusive families and environments, bullying etc. It is important to realize that even 10 years ago the "average" perception of GLBT and how society interacted with them was very different. Look up "Matthew Shepard" for one of the biggest example of literal "Gay Bashing" - his death helped spark the passages of laws to protect gays from violence.

For all this, I don't agree with assertion that Bert and Ernie are supposed to be gay. Yes, there's quite a few ways to interpret their behavior, as it has been popular to lampoon, but that doesn't mean they were written as homosexual and I don't see any real additional benefit in making them so. With that in mind, since Sesame Street undertakes the very worthy task of explaining difficult or confusing things that a child can be exposed to (ie. Death of a relative), there's no reason why there can't be some content including openly gay individuals. For instance, if there are straight married couples that visit Sesame Street and hold hands, there's no reason that there can't be a gay guest couple as well.

When the kids see that the puppets don't react any differently to the gay characters then they do the straight characters, it enforces the right idea that you don't need to treat someone different just because they're GLBT. As if I recall correctly, guest humans typically bring some sort of special information or job to the table, this has the additional benefit of showing that being GLBT isn't the only thing that defines those guests - they're also doctors, nurses, architects, physicists etc.

This path I see as much more beneficial to the GLBT community than simply making Bert and Ernie's sexuality an issue.
 

F'Angus

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Why can't Male puppets have male friends without them being labelled as gay? I never saw them as Gay, just best friends and room mates
 

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Formica Archonis said:
Have we run out of facepalms yet? I'd like one right now.

Really, this is like asking a scriptwriter of any TV show to make your favorite slash pairing canon. Except dumber.
Here you go man:

 

SenseOfTumour

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Seems we got there about 40 years early in the UK, no-one seemed to get all irate about Morecambe and Wise back around 1970:


Seems 40 years ago, even in the showbiz world where homosexuality was more accepted than in 'normal' society, two guys could share a home and a bed in a show without anyone thinking they were gay lovers. (Of course this could more be down to the ideas back then that only people who behaved in an overly camp way were gay.)

Also, as someone else stated a coupla pages back, it seems whoever's whining is fine with a pig and a frog having a relationship in the muppets, without a need for an interspecies marriage, but Bert and Ernie, a thing and another thing, anthropomorphised, but not human, seem to need to go thru a marriage ceremony.

Firstly, do ALL gays marry? Can they truly not find happiness in a marriage free relationship?
Secondly, how many heterosexual marriages between puppets have there been on the show?
Thirdly and most importantly, the petition creator needs to stop being an idiot.
 

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Smokescreen said:
Yeesh. It's shit like this that makes liberals look bad.

It's a children's program involving puppets. Leave your dickery out of it.
Yea, I gotta say that I'm all for gay marriage and military and all that but at that age you're still telling kids they came from a stork.
Besides, I always thought of all the puppets on Sesame St as kids (except for maybe Oscar); I'mean - do any of them have jobs or anything like that...except maybe Guy Smiley? But he was a gameshow host.
So, whoever the hell wants to see two little kids getting married (gay or not) needs a straight jacket and strong pharmaceuticals.
 

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While the idea of Bert and Ernie being gay is somewhat fitting from an adults point of view I think the bottom line is that it is a kids program and they are puppets.. why distract from the innocense of the whole thing by making them gay/married/adding transgender ect..


If it were a sitcom or a soap ect (AS IS DONE) then im all for touching upon and approaching adult themes and reflecting society, thats what they do constantly, but unless its part of the original basis please don't go injecting it into other programs on the fly.
 

SenseOfTumour

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Also, just to pick apart the stupid weaved into the original guy's statements:

"In this horrific age of LGBT kids taking their own lives, they need to know that they ARE BEAUTIFUL and their lives are worth living," the "Let Ernie and Bert Get Married on Sesame Street" petition at Change.org reads.

Nope, they need to know that statistically, they're average at best, just the same as any hetero kid, and they'll probably end up in a dead end job and die alone, just the same as most people. Just going for statistical fact over the implied 'being gay makes you FABULOUS' thing. But then I lay a lot of blame upon parents telling their offspring that they're special and can do no wrong.

"We are not asking that Sesame Street do anything crude or disrespectful. Only that they allow Bert & Ernie to marry or even add a transgender character to the show. It can be done in a tasteful way. Let us teach tolerance of those that are different. Let Sesame Street and PBS Kids be a big part in saving many worthy lives."

If we're doing that, can we add a massively homophobic and racist puppet to properly reflect the norms of society too? Or can we just let toddlers not have to deal with the reality of adult life for a few more years? I just can't see how adding a penguin with a beard who's taking tablets and growing a massive pair of tits is going to help 3 year olds understand 'transgender issues'.

"A lot of people have wondered about Bert and Ernie," petition creator Lair Scott told ABC News. "Living in the same bedroom and the same home would make anyone question their sexuality."

I refer you to the above videoclip in my previous post. Also, it probably wouldn't make a 2 year old question their sexuality. 'Ok, I've decided I prefer cookies to pudding, and puppies to kittens, now, cock or pussy, I'd best see what Big Bird has to say!'

I'm still fully in favour of, when the kid asks, explain it, whether you're a parent, guardian or teacher, (because I know some parents don't want their kid to ever find out that some guys like dick.) because, if you don't tell them, they're going type some words into google and find out a LOT more than you wanted them to know. In full HD.
 

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Dr. wonderful said:
What is wrong that idiot.

They are friends, hell one of the best written friends I ever seen. I never saw them as gay, I saw them as roommates.
Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, anyone?
 

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the only people who have "wondered" about bert and ernies sexuality are people outside the shows audience. kids dont know or care about this stuff so it makes no difference!!
dont fix what aint broke, leave bert and ernie as they are.

remember the cookie monster debacle when they made him eat vegies?! what was that!? leave the classic parts of the show alone. add new characters do whatever, but grover, elmo, bert and ernie, cookie monster, telly, snuffalufagus, big bird... i could go on... just leave them be.

i suspect next someone will want to send big bird to a psychiatrist because they suspect he has abandonment issues because he sleeps with a teddy.
 

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Treblaine said:
CrematedCube said:
This is a bit ridiculous. I mean... imagine this demand being put on any other male characters who have lived together.
Imagine their creators being petitioned to pair off these two just because some part of the audience (not even the target audience) says so.
it gives a whole new perspective


"Can two divorced men share an apartment without getting married to each other?"

The thing is... there is already slash fiction of this hypothetical gay relationship.

I haven't seen it. but I do know it is out there.

I know the internet.
Slash fiction exists, no denying that, but wanting it declared canon is another thing entirely.
 

Cursed Frogurt

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A few facts to consider:

1) They are supposed to be roughly six years old (weird considering they go grocery shopping by themselves)
2) They are supposed to be brothers
3) They are puppets
4) THEY ARE PUPPETS
 

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Dr. wonderful said:
What is wrong that idiot.

They are friends, hell one of the best written friends I ever seen. I never saw them as gay, I saw them as roommates.
Smokescreen said:
Yeesh. It's shit like this that makes liberals look bad.

It's a children's program involving puppets. Leave your dickery out of it.
Ditto to the both of you. I'm all for gay marriage and all but I bloody well hate all these "mascots" that are picked up. You know, a lot of people would do that to poke fun at others and to wind them up by calling them gay, even if they aren't. I know this isn't the case but it's got the same/similar basis. They're supposed to be depicted as best friends, just as they were originally written down for. They aren't gay so why is it being insinuated?
I remember reading something like this before actually and Bugs Bunny was another one mentioned primarily because he dressed up in women's clothing in various episodes. The animators and the rest of the crew did that because they thought it was a funny way of misleading Elmer Fudd. Spongebob was another one.

Again, I'm all for gay marriage but, er... these two aren't gay so really aren't a suitable pair. Never were, never will be (well). Rod from Avenue Q, on the other hand...


Amondren said:
Petitions like this are stupid let the creators choose who they are. I always saw them as friends never as gay I still don't I still see them as just good friends who are roommates who help children learn that having friends is good.
Ditto again.


SenseOfTumour said:
Also, just to pick apart the stupid weaved into the original guy's statements:

"In this horrific age of LGBT kids taking their own lives, they need to know that they ARE BEAUTIFUL and their lives are worth living," the "Let Ernie and Bert Get Married on Sesame Street" petition at Change.org reads.

Nope, they need to know that statistically, they're average at best, just the same as any hetero kid, and they'll probably end up in a dead end job and die alone, just the same as most people. Just going for statistical fact over the implied 'being gay makes you FABULOUS' thing. But then I lay a lot of blame upon parents telling their offspring that they're special and can do no wrong.

"We are not asking that Sesame Street do anything crude or disrespectful. Only that they allow Bert & Ernie to marry or even add a transgender character to the show. It can be done in a tasteful way. Let us teach tolerance of those that are different. Let Sesame Street and PBS Kids be a big part in saving many worthy lives."

If we're doing that, can we add a massively homophobic and racist puppet to properly reflect the norms of society too? Or can we just let toddlers not have to deal with the reality of adult life for a few more years? I just can't see how adding a penguin with a beard who's taking tablets and growing a massive pair of tits is going to help 3 year olds understand 'transgender issues'.

"A lot of people have wondered about Bert and Ernie," petition creator Lair Scott told ABC News. "Living in the same bedroom and the same home would make anyone question their sexuality."

I refer you to the above videoclip in my previous post. Also, it probably wouldn't make a 2 year old question their sexuality. 'Ok, I've decided I prefer cookies to pudding, and puppies to kittens, now, cock or pussy, I'd best see what Big Bird has to say!'

I'm still fully in favour of, when the kid asks, explain it, whether you're a parent, guardian or teacher, (because I know some parents don't want their kid to ever find out that some guys like dick.) because, if you don't tell them, they're going type some words into google and find out a LOT more than you wanted them to know. In full HD.
Well put.


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*chuckles*
Forget homosexuality and the Gay Movement, someone can start the Incest Movement if this somehow got approved.

I may not have seen Sesame Street in...a couple decades at least, but last I recalled ERNIE AND BERT WERE BROTHERS. They were brothers because children could relate to having siblings more than they could relate to having roommates!
 

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I always thought they were gay... especialy after that episode where bert and ernie were in the same bed and bert was getting mad at ernie for talking while he was trying to sleep.

Oh well glad PBS cleared that up so now I can get some sleep myself without the mental picture of them doin each other. talk about nightmares lol.
 

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aegix drakan said:
Dear world,

WE DO NOT NEED TO INTRODUCE SEXUALITY TO SESAME STREET. THAT IS NOT THE POINT OF THE SHOW.

Kids can wait until they hit their teens before being exposed to that stuff. That's when it's important. And no teen watches sesame street unless they have a younger brother or sister.
Sesame Street and the like introduce children to their gender roles. Waiting until their teens until they're introduced to the possibility that those roles are not concrete produces a lot of very troubled teens. They'll spend their entire childhood and possibly well into their teens thinking that they have something wrong with them if they aren't taught that there is more than one way to identify yourself.

As I've said, making these two "come out" is not the answer, but there needs to be something that at least introduces the idea in a neutral fashion so they can understand.