Characters love for whom you don't understand

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Mistilteinn

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IllumInaTIma said:
Ok, guys, thread is called "Characters love for whom you don't understand", not "Characters I don't like, who everyone seems to like" or "Characters who I find overrated". There's a pretty big difference.
To be fair, the first one is pretty comparative to the OT, though I'll agree with the second not being the same.

Back on topic, though, I don't get the love for the P4 main cast. I had always heard that they were well-developed characters, and while a lot of in-game time is spent developing them, it was all optional content and thus never affected their actual storyline interactions. So while they each had their own characters arcs, by the end of the story Yosuke still came off as an ass, Rise and Teddie were annoying and sometimes creepy, and the others were just kind of "there."
 

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Gordon Freeman. I honestly have never, EVER, seen why Gordon is like some kind of video game Jesus. I mean what character? Gordon is literally nothing but what the other characters say about him and a hand gripping a crowbar. That's not a character that's just an idea for a character concept. I could almost say the same for Cmd. Shepard but he at least does have some type of development and character traits I suppose.
 

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Peter Parker

He was supposed to be a prodigy and genius, and what does he do with it? he squander it to fight petty crimes. When he's not fighting crimes what does he do? He takes photographs OF HIMSELF to sell it for money. Doc Ock open a company in his name during superior spiderman with hundreds of employees looking up to him, when Peter Parker returned and was overwhelmed by his RESPONSIBILITY to the company and its employees you know what he did? He ran and swing around the city like a child.

He is everything that's wrong with super heroes. One day I'm gonna make a comic with the villain as the protagonist, fighting superheroes like spiderman.....AND WIN! Because really, heroes like Peter Parker doesn't deserve to win.
 

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Gonna second Levi from Attack On Titan. I guess people really like the "stoic snarky badass" types, but he's been pretty boring so far. I hear he's been getting good development in the manga recently, though.
 

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Edward Cullen.

I mean, yeah, everyone spends all the books blathering on about how wonderful he is, but apart from that, there is nothing to him.
I can see why he appeals for teenaged girls though.
He is safe to lust over, and a safe sexual fantasy.
He has this whole 'I want you so much but I must control myself around you' sort of thing going for him that makes him tortured but since it's tru luv, he never would hurt you (or Bella, but same thing).

So she can express sexual desire towards him, and have him want her, but it won't go too far because his protective instinct will kick in.

Until they're married, then they can have sex.

It's a fantasy that appeals to (at least some) girls who are just starting to discover sexual attraction.

My thoughts on it anyways.
 

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Theon Greyjoy

I have a really hard time understanding how people can sympathize with him, and that's all I'll say on the matter.
 

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Those 2 guys from Supernatural.
They have a stupidly large fanbase, yet their personality and motivation is pretty much "Hot sarcastic guys". I just don't get it. The best part is when you find posts (or people in real life) comparing them to fucking Shakespeare characters in their complexity and emotional depth. (which is funnily accurate, but not for the reasons they think)>

Also, Iron Man. Could be that I think he's just a selfish prick (which may or may not be an integral part of his character) but the along with Batman, instead of honestly focussing on helping people and being a "billionaire playboy philanthropist inventor" they spend all their time making gadgets that make fighting stuff easier.
Reginald D Hunter said it much better than me.

You haven't seen many episodes of Supernatural have you? It's far, far deeper than what it appears to be. Over the course of 9 seasons they've definitely been far more than "Hot sarcastic guys". There are plenty of things you could rip on Supernatural for, but the personality and lixiviation is definitely not one of them. You're so far off from what you think it's not even funny.
Eh, I watched 2 or 3 episodes with a friend because she kept ranting on about it. (they were in the middle somewhere? something about some LARP stuff and demons being summoned?) what can I say. I don't see how the characters can have such a rabid and enthusiastic fanbase. Writing was good and made my crack a smile occasionally, but not the pinnacle of wit and character design they'd been sold to me as. I did like the references to old-testament stuff though.

Also, are you sure lixiviation is the right word?
 
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First of all, don't just expect people to be polite. Random strangers don't you anything.

Secondly, Sten is a subversion, not just of fantasy ally tropes, but of Bioware writing itself. Think about it, how often in Dragon Age: Origins are people seemingly just wanting to lay their life story out in front of you, hell, how often does that happen in works of fantasy, period? All the protagonist has to do is say hi, and then BOOM, here comes the exposition train! Sten, on the other hand, when you ask him about his people the Qunari, he responds with a curt 'No.' It's not like he's lacking depth, it's just that he purposefully chooses not to share that depth with you, which is essentially what his faith, the Qun, demands. You may become friends, and he share some information about himself, but you won't get farther than that because he doesn't want you to. It makes you think about what is actually necessary in your mission against the Blight, and what is merely trivial.
Fair enough. That explains a fair bit about why people like Sten. Not my kind of thing, but to each their own.

It's a rather sad day, though, when I get lectured for wanting people to be courteous.
 

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For some reason, there was one I know I would?ve really wanted to say in this thread, but I can?t think of it now, so I?ll just have to settle for these.

Matt in Death Note. I mean, he?s a minor character who?s not even in the series that long, but because he looks like a ?hipster gamer?, he?s got all this stuff made about him.

Tails from Sonic the Hedgehog. I just found him to be an annoying and inferior version of Sonic back in the Mega Drive days (despite his ability to fly for a short period of time). Even by the time the Advance games came along, I played motherfucking Cream more often than him (although that was partly because she was the easiest to control, especially when spamming her Chao attack).

EyeReaper said:
While we're on the subject, I don't understand why Jotaro (or Stardust Crusaders in general)is the most popular Jojo. So far part 2 has been better in every way in my book.
It's because it's the arc that introduced Stands, not to mention Jotaro is the most reocurring JoJo in the series (for some reason), making him the franchise ?poster boy?. As for Jotaro?s popularity specifically, he?s not an especially deep or emotive character, but he?s the archetypal ?badass?, reminiscent of 80s action heroes with their one-liners.

Plus, Part 3's got more video games and other stuff based on it than the other arcs, meaning that's the way most fans will be introduced to the series and nostalgia is a big thing for a lot of people. Just ask Nintendo. ;P

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i can't believe no one has said this yet but Light Yagami from Death note. I only recently got to watch Death note as I didn't really have the time to watch it when it was at his peek of popularity so I had a few things spoiled such as the major twist about 2/3rds in and how it ends. But I had also heard about what a complex anti hero Light was and what a shame it was that the corruption of the shinagami and the note book leads him down the wrong path from his noble goals. I don't see any of that in the character at all. He's a straight up villain playing with things he shouldn't because he's board and just smart enough to think he can get away with it. I mean the cat and mouse between Light and L is compelling and defiantly watchable but that doesn't make Light a hero or worth the love he gets.
No, I get it. IMO, Light's popularity is mostly down to that he's an archetypal (god, I'm using that word a lot, aren't I?) "Draco in Leather Pants". He's a "bad boy". He'd almost be a Villain Sue if it weren't for the fact his narcissism is his downfall. I don't believe anyone thought Light was a hero, since he really is just an immature sociopath with a god complex, but the series did get a lot of mileage out of how much L kept the smart-ass on his toes.

I think L's got a bigger fanbase anyway, though. He and Light are the two main characters of the series, so it's unsurprising that they have the biggest fanbases.

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Anything Nintendo. None of the characters are anything other than colourful images with some accents and catch phrases. None of them have ever developed in the last thirty years.
What about Wario, does he count? I always preferred him to Mario because, while Mario's just a boring goody-two-shoes without much motive for saving princesses than a peck on the cheek and the promise of some "cake" (*wink wink*), Wario is more identifiable as a character because everything he does is just to get money for himself, and even the games with him reflect that twisted anti-Mario slant. The Wario Land games have a much more disjointed soundtrack than the lighthearted Mario games, for one. Wario's developed from a straight-up antagonistic "evil twin" of Mario in Super Mario Land 2, to a muscular treasure-hunter in Wario Land II, to a entrepreneurial businessman in WarioWare.

Anyway, that's just why Wario's my favourite Nintendo character. Samus Aran hasn't stayed static for the past thirty years either. The events in Return of Samus, Fusion, and Other M (although no-one liked the direction they took Samus there) should show that. Metroid was one of the games that showed Nintendo could do ?dark?, so you?d be at least a decade late in saying they can?t make a range of non-colourful characters anymore.

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Peter Parker

He was supposed to be a prodigy and genius, and what does he do with it? he squander it to fight petty crimes. When he's not fighting crimes what does he do? He takes photographs OF HIMSELF to sell it for money. Doc Ock open a company in his name during superior spiderman with hundreds of employees looking up to him, when Peter Parker returned and was overwhelmed by his RESPONSIBILITY to the company and its employees you know what he did? He ran and swing around the city like a child.

He is everything that's wrong with super heroes. One day I'm gonna make a comic with the villain as the protagonist, fighting superheroes like spiderman.....AND WIN! Because really, heroes like Peter Parker doesn't deserve to win.
You...you do know Peter Parker's a teenager, right? He might be a genius, but he doesn't have adult sensibilities, and one of his biggest establishing character moments is inadvertently allowing his uncle to die because he was pissed off at a fight organiser screwing him out of his money.

Something like that is why people like Spider-Man so much. Because he's not an infallible Comic Book Jesus like Superman, nor is he a privileged rich boy like Batman. He's a grounded teenager who made the same mistakes we all did, and is still figuring out things. He's not in it for money, and when he does get money, it's purely to support his aunt.
 

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Dirty Cop James funs said:
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I will never, NEVER, understand the love every other Dangan Ronpa fan seems to have for Byakua FUCKING Togami.

The guy's a dick, plan and simple!
He truly and vocally thinks he's better then every one else because of his money/family
He treats everyone around him like second class citizens
He's actively screwed with an investigation of a murder because "he got board"
He treats Fukawa like shit even though she worships the ground he walks on
And, with one debatable exception, during the course of his ark he NEVER acknowledges that he was in any way wrong or at fault for any of it!

And the fandom sodding loves him!
He's one of the most popular characters!
He's more popular then the canonically gay character in a fandom that started on TUMBLR!

DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.
Wait. Wait waitwaitwaitwaitwait.... wait. People actually like him? I legitimately thought everyone would hate him. Maybe it's a superficial thing like his looks?
Goddess do I envy your good fortune to avoid the togami worshiping part of the fandom, google image or DeviantART search "byakuya togami fanart," (WITH SAFE SEARCH ON) to see just a fraction of what I used to put up with on a daily basis when I was REALLY involved in the DR fandom.
His looks are literally the only thing he has going for him, unless this whole thing is a big act of mass satire that I'm not getting and if that's the case then hats off, they're pulling it off flawlessly.
 

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Daenerys Targaryen from Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones. Petulant, entitled piece of crap. The only reason she seems to want the Iron Throne is because Robert took it from her dad... who was the worst king Westeros has had since the original Targaryen invasion.

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She then proceeds to fall in love with a man she can't even talk to because he's not as brutal about his forcing himself on her as he could have been, proceeds to ruin the entire West cost of Essos' through a combination of complete bone-headedness when it comes to economics and making rash decisions based pretty much solely on her emotions, exiles her best adviser who's betrayed the throne of the Seven Kingdoms, ruining his only chance to get back his holdings out of sheer loyalty and adoration towards her, because he once did work for this once-in-a-lifetime, pie-in-the-sky opportunity and after all this she fucking dares to claim she deserves the throne. What gets my blood boiling is that I can see her potentially winning this whole damn thing because dragons. And for some reason, all of my friends are cheering this incompetent buffoon on. I just... my mind is boggled.

To a bit of a lesser extent, I also never got what was appealing about Jon Snow. He doesn't make me angry like Daenerys does, but he's just utterly flat. Pretty much everything that happens to him is exactly what you'd expect from his archetype (the honorable, noble bastard), and he seems to have gathered more of a following than I'd expect him to. From what I watched of the show he seemed to actually be beginning some sort of arc, where he seemed a lot more incompetent than he did in the books, so maybe that explains it?

I also never got why Solid Snake was so well liked. He's just a boring action guy. Pretty much any other character in the Metal Gear series is more interesting than him. Don't get me wrong, he's got some interesting philosophical stuff to dish out, but it's nothing exclusive to Snake. The way Metal Gear does philosophy, it doesn't matter who's saying it, as long as someone is. Snake's not bad, he just doesn't seem to me to be enough of a character to be so widely liked. I do love the hell out of Raiden, he's actually got something interesting going on with his character. Less naked cartwheels would be nice, though.


IllumInaTIma said:
Looks like many people are hyped about his inclusion in Persona 4 Arena Ultimax and many simply call him their favorite. I don't understand. Sure, his reveal was surprising and he ended up being much smarter than you would assume, but at the end of the day he's a miserable and whiny loser with rapist and pedophilic tendencies. He's just downright creepy. So what the hell?
About this, from Persona 4
Isn't that kind of the point? The entire reason that Adachi's such a great villain is just how non-menacing he is. He's not some grand mastermind villain, he's not completely deranged, he's just some loser creep who got too much power. It's the fact that he's so commonplace and unremarkable that made him terrifying to me. He symbolizes that urge to do bad things just for the hell of it that we've all felt at some point, and just how much harm indulging in what we could see as small bad acts can do.

He really is nothing more than an arrogant loser, and that's what makes him so damn terrifying.
 

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I hear Boba Fett is regarded as the epitome of cool badassitude in certain segments of the Star Wars fandom, which confuses me no end because in the films he did two things: capture a man trapped by other forces and then get knocked into a monster by the same man, who was blinded and did it accidentally. Maybe its an Expanded Universe thing?
 

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Tali Zorah vas fucking Nima. She's not pretty, not charming, doesn't do anything, but for a reason that eludes me people get a boner whenever they hear her name.
 

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Going to second Arya. I haven't seen the show, but I've read the books. I've also read a lot of other fantasy books, so the "girl who doesn't want to do girly things in a world where she would have to do girly things" archetype is about as new to me as cave paintings are to world history. The rest of her personality is just as uninvolving and stock. Slight spoiler for the books following...

Just about the only thing that could make her interesting to me is if she actually went amoral/evil to the point where Sansa would be absolutely horrified if they ever met again. However, I don't feel like the book is really going to go through with it. For all GRRM is lauded for creating grey characters, he still has a pretty definite set of good guys and complete monster villains that permeate the stories of the (to me) much more interesting people. However, I would gladly be proven wrong by Arya doing a 180.

Sansa can be added to this list, too. The only book in which I liked her was the first one, which is ironically usually the reason that people don't like her, if they don't. I'd rather have a character who messes up then one who spends all of their time on POV stage doing nothing of interest except her creepy pedo half-romance with the Hound. It's not really the fault of the character, who seems like a sweet enough if slightly stupid girl (which can be excused by her age). She was just always written in situations where she had little to no agency and was relegated to narrating what all the other more interesting characters are doing. Her role in the plot could have been filled by a chair that occassionally gets kicked over. I think I'm being fiercely unfair to this character because I know so many fans of her who are like OMG SANSA THE PERFECT SCHEMING MASTERMIND QUEEN OF WESTEROS FOREVER and I had to defend myself so many times for daring not to adore her. I just don't see it. I once stopped reading the third book for a year because there was an 8 page Sansa chapter in the way. That is how genuinely uninteresting I think she is and I know, I know everyone tells me BUT SHE IS SO MUCH BETTER NOW but... no. By this point, she could turn into a five-headed dragon and I would still contemplate skipping her chapters. I don't even want her to die, as I said, she doesn't bother me as an imagined person, I just don't care about what happens to her. At all. I want her to just... leave.
 

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Boba Fett from Star Wars

Never understood it. He's usually just standing there next to real villains, like Jabba the Hutt and Darth Vader. He manages to follow Han Solo to Bespin, which was quite clever, but then Darth Vader freezes him so Boba Fett can just load him onto a ship without really doing anything noteworthy. Then in the next movie, he's defeated by a clumsy blind guy and gets eaten by a plant.
 

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Fredvdp said:
Boba Fett from Star Wars

Never understood it. He's usually just standing there next to real villains, like Jabba the Hutt and Darth Vader. He manages to follow Han Solo to Bespin, which was quite clever, but then Darth Vader freezes him so Boba Fett can just load him onto a ship without really doing anything noteworthy. Then in the next movie, he's defeated by a clumsy blind guy and gets eaten by a plant.
Dragonlayer said:
I hear Boba Fett is regarded as the epitome of cool badassitude in certain segments of the Star Wars fandom, which confuses me no end because in the films he did two things: capture a man trapped by other forces and then get knocked into a monster by the same man, who was blinded and did it accidentally. Maybe its an Expanded Universe thing?
I brought this up the other day with a good friend, throwing out the theory that he may be so admired because of his uniform and plethora of gadgets about his person. But giving the perfect weapon or combination some of to someone who struggles to get results with it...I just give up. IN ROTJ he just blindly points his blaster at Luke in an almost goofy "Stick 'em up!" and bzzzt. The blaster is halved.

In the expanded universe he makes the odd appearance but nothing that's ever grabbed my attention. Gets swallowed by the Sarlacc again and develops a weird bond with it...it's just weird.

But I too can't stand him, much less the pedestal the fans have created for him. I would put money on any of the IG-88 quadruplets (he alone has a more intriguing back story) than Fett.
 

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I'll round out the Mass Effect crew by saying Liara. I always felt that she was a committee-designed cipher of a character, but it seems the rest of fandom thinks she's the epitome of teammates and love interests. Hell, in this thread we've seen Garrus and Tali multiple times, and they are both very unique characters with distinct personalities and backgrounds that better define who they are and where they stand. Liara is whoever the writers needed her to be at the time.
 

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for me it is Lum from the Rumiko Takahashi manga "Urusei Yasutora". for some reason she is incredibly popular even though the only thing she did the whole manga was zap the main character at the end of every chapter, but for some reason she has a really large and really old fan base.