Child suspended for his religious beliefs

[WhiteTiger225]

And why can't he believe it? It's okay for someone to wear a cross that represents a invisible bearded man who lives in a cloud, punishes those who go against his orders that he had a man write down for him and so forth? Same concept goes to muslim religion. They should be suspended for wearing headwear during class.

He can believe it but I doubt he does. That's all I'm saying!
I know you're trying to say "everything has the same value" but that's not fully true. A religion gains it's value as a religion through faith so unless he really believes this stuff, he is just trying to be a rebel and make a statement.

Again, read what I wrote: If he really believes, he should still not wear a fully stereotypical pirate outfit (because it disrupts classes) but he should be allowed to wear pirate-type clothing to compromise with his beliefs.

If he really believed then, yes, his religion however wacky, would be just as valuable as any other. But I have no reason to assume that he does really believe in it seeing as this "religion" was created to point out logical fallacies in other religions, not become an actual religion itself.

I have no reason to believe that any religion is serious and that people are just following it to get attention and friends and the pastors follow it for easy money and to feel control... Prove thats not true and that people who claim faith aren't just lying for attention and to fit in.

 

[AdmiralWolverineLightningbolt]

Come now, nobody here honestly thinks this kid believes in the FSM.
He just did this to fuck with people.
I'm all for free expression but there are limits.
What, if I decide my religion says I must run around naked, only covered in green paint except for an Indiana Jones-hat, that would suddenly make it right?
Wearing a pirate outfit is bullshit and he's just trying to annoy people.
A real atheist, a person of conviction, wouldn't act that childish.
I get the point of the FSM but all it is, is a little thought experiment that's meant to get religious folks to rethink their position.

first ammendment says yes, it would be right
he's not offending anyone
if he was suspended for shouting out in a pirate accent in class, that would be different

but to stop him wearing the outfit is ridiculous

fucking double standards

I was just going to go with the South Park quote and be on my merry way, but since everyone seems to have missed the point here...

He is not being subjugated for his "religion". He is being suspended for repeatedly making a statement about religion that was disruptive to the classroom environment. It's the same with that retarded "Jedi" thing and all those Scientologists running around.

We get it. You don't believe what some people do. Gotcha. What you're doing isn't clever, it's just unprovoked mockery. And in this case the school did exactly the right thing.

- J

i respectively disagree
i get your point, but the first ammendment still entitles him to express himself

the best course of action from the school wouldve simply been to ignore it
it would wear thin after a while and he'd get bored and start conforming again

but this was honestly the worst way they couldve dealt with it

and if christians are offended by this, then it shows insecurities within their own beliefs

 

[The Kangaroo]

Uhm... what religion worships pirates exactly...? Not that I have anything against it, it's just I've never heard of such a thing lol. Then again it wouldn't be surprising that I didn't know about it since I don't get involved with any religion.

Someone clearly needs to be educated in the ways of Pastafarianism. Go here [http://www.venganza.org/], and be enlightened!

 

[Valine]

Proof? Like... someone being there to witness it? Call me a hypocrite, but I won't accept any less evidence.

Well, seeing as there was no-one around that would be rather hard. However, you can find evidence such as background radiation, the structure of cosmic features, etc. Also, why should we accept your "answer" when there is absolutely no proof of that?

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Is that a jab at the Big Bang Theory? because there's proof for the Big Bang Theory

Proof? Like... someone being there to witness it? Call me a hypocrite, but I won't accept any less evidence.

By "proof" he means that we can recreate the Big Bang in small scale and observe predictable and repeatable behavior. I don't know which flavor religion you subscribe to, but you believe the "witness" given by those texts as interpreted by hundreds of translations over thousands of years as fact?

And he's down for the count ladies and gentlemen! I don't think he can get back up after a hit like that!

 

[Riding on Thermals]

::snip::

But thing is... Many things that we know today started off with roots buried in fiction (Robots, Micro computers, flying cars, space travel, DNA resequencing, etc) so why can't someone come to believe a faith that started as a mockery of other religions? Maybe he realized that this religion was actually right?

Hey, I'm all for it. If he believes it, then may the sauce be with him.

 

[The Kangaroo]

Is that a jab at the Big Bang Theory? because there's proof for the Big Bang Theory

Proof? Like... someone being there to witness it? Call me a hypocrite, but I won't accept any less evidence.

By "proof" he means that we can recreate the Big Bang in small scale and observe predictable and repeatable behavior. I don't know which flavor religion you subscribe to, but you believe the "witness" given by those texts as interpreted by hundreds of translations over thousands of years as fact?

Not only did you counter his argument (and quite well) but you're the proud owner of the 200th post!!!

 

[Space Spoons]

Normally, I'd side with the Pastafarians on this one, but I'm fairly sure this clashes with the separation of church and state. Public schools are under the authority of the government, and religion of any kind has no place there.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

::snip::

But thing is... Many things that we know today started off with roots buried in fiction (Robots, Micro computers, flying cars, space travel, DNA resequencing, etc) so why can't someone come to believe a faith that started as a mockery of other religions? Maybe he realized that this religion was actually right?

Hey, I'm all for it. If he believes it, then may the sauce be with him.

R'amen

 

[tiredinnuendo]

Come now, nobody here honestly thinks this kid believes in the FSM.
He just did this to fuck with people.
I'm all for free expression but there are limits.
What, if I decide my religion says I must run around naked, only covered in green paint except for an Indiana Jones-hat, that would suddenly make it right?
Wearing a pirate outfit is bullshit and he's just trying to annoy people.
A real atheist, a person of conviction, wouldn't act that childish.
I get the point of the FSM but all it is, is a little thought experiment that's meant to get religious folks to rethink their position.

first ammendment says yes, it would be right
he's not offending anyone
if he was suspended for shouting out in a pirate accent in class, that would be different

but to stop him wearing the outfit is ridiculous

fucking double standards

I was just going to go with the South Park quote and be on my merry way, but since everyone seems to have missed the point here...

He is not being subjugated for his "religion". He is being suspended for repeatedly making a statement about religion that was disruptive to the classroom environment. It's the same with that retarded "Jedi" thing and all those Scientologists running around.

We get it. You don't believe what some people do. Gotcha. What you're doing isn't clever, it's just unprovoked mockery. And in this case the school did exactly the right thing.

- J

i respectively disagree
i get your point, but the first ammendment still entitles him to express himself

the best course of action from the school wouldve simply been to ignore it
it would wear thin after a while and he'd get bored and start conforming again

but this was honestly the worst way they couldve dealt with it

and if christians are offended by this, then it shows insecurities within their own beliefs

You're respectfully (note: not respectively) wrong. "Free Speech" does not mean that you can say and/or do whatever you want with no repercussions at any time. He was in school, which is either a state or private institution with its own rules and code of conduct. He broke those rules by creating a disturbance in the name of making a farcical statement. While he is free to dress like a Jackass, they're also free to suspend him for it.

- J

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Is that a jab at the Big Bang Theory? because there's proof for the Big Bang Theory

Proof? Like... someone being there to witness it? Call me a hypocrite, but I won't accept any less evidence.

By "proof" he means that we can recreate the Big Bang in small scale and observe predictable and repeatable behavior. I don't know which flavor religion you subscribe to, but you believe the "witness" given by those texts as interpreted by hundreds of translations over thousands of years as fact?

Not only did you counter his argument (and quite well) but you're the proud owner of the 200th post!!!

this calls for it...

[http://www.cslacker.com/images/funny/meme/demotivational/c-c-c-combo_breaker/]

 

[ProfessorLayton]

Not that I expect or encourage you to believe in the Big Bang Theory, but your statement makes me curious: were you somehow privy to hard evidence of whatever religion you believe in? Also, your avatar makes me dizzy, lol.

No, it's just that the idea that being created by intelligent design just makes more sense to me. The way everything in the universe just runs like clockwork, I find it hard to believe that it was just accident. Think about the way that everything works... the human body is extremely complex. I just think that there's no way that something that complicated could have been accidentally made.

 

[WhiteTiger225]

Come now, nobody here honestly thinks this kid believes in the FSM.
He just did this to fuck with people.
I'm all for free expression but there are limits.
What, if I decide my religion says I must run around naked, only covered in green paint except for an Indiana Jones-hat, that would suddenly make it right?
Wearing a pirate outfit is bullshit and he's just trying to annoy people.
A real atheist, a person of conviction, wouldn't act that childish.
I get the point of the FSM but all it is, is a little thought experiment that's meant to get religious folks to rethink their position.

first ammendment says yes, it would be right
he's not offending anyone
if he was suspended for shouting out in a pirate accent in class, that would be different

but to stop him wearing the outfit is ridiculous

fucking double standards

I was just going to go with the South Park quote and be on my merry way, but since everyone seems to have missed the point here...

He is not being subjugated for his "religion". He is being suspended for repeatedly making a statement about religion that was disruptive to the classroom environment. It's the same with that retarded "Jedi" thing and all those Scientologists running around.

We get it. You don't believe what some people do. Gotcha. What you're doing isn't clever, it's just unprovoked mockery. And in this case the school did exactly the right thing.

- J

i respectively disagree
i get your point, but the first ammendment still entitles him to express himself

the best course of action from the school wouldve simply been to ignore it
it would wear thin after a while and he'd get bored and start conforming again

but this was honestly the worst way they couldve dealt with it

and if christians are offended by this, then it shows insecurities within their own beliefs

You're respectfully wrong. "Free Speech" does not mean that you can say and/or do whatever you want with no repercussions at any time. He was in school, which is either a state or private institution with its own rules and code of conduct. He broke those rules by creating a disturbance in the name of making a farcical statement. While he is free to dress like a Jackass, they're also free to suspend him for it.

- J

Prove he doesn't believe in it, and also prove why muslim students should be allowed to wear headwear during class despite the rules saying otherwise just because they believe in an imaginary friend that I don't?

 

[Dark marauder]

why post this when its not true in one bit

 

[The Kangaroo]

Eh well it is a pretty weird religon but sure why not wear a full pirate costume? Ninjas get to wear full ninja costumes to school.

well, for one ninja students never really graduate, since they are never seen by the teachers [and you need to have less than 9 absences in order to graduate/pass to the next grade]

hence why they never get good job opportunities.

It's a harsh world

 

[AdmiralWolverineLightningbolt]

Come now, nobody here honestly thinks this kid believes in the FSM.
He just did this to fuck with people.
I'm all for free expression but there are limits.
What, if I decide my religion says I must run around naked, only covered in green paint except for an Indiana Jones-hat, that would suddenly make it right?
Wearing a pirate outfit is bullshit and he's just trying to annoy people.
A real atheist, a person of conviction, wouldn't act that childish.
I get the point of the FSM but all it is, is a little thought experiment that's meant to get religious folks to rethink their position.

first ammendment says yes, it would be right
he's not offending anyone
if he was suspended for shouting out in a pirate accent in class, that would be different

but to stop him wearing the outfit is ridiculous

fucking double standards

I was just going to go with the South Park quote and be on my merry way, but since everyone seems to have missed the point here...

He is not being subjugated for his "religion". He is being suspended for repeatedly making a statement about religion that was disruptive to the classroom environment. It's the same with that retarded "Jedi" thing and all those Scientologists running around.

We get it. You don't believe what some people do. Gotcha. What you're doing isn't clever, it's just unprovoked mockery. And in this case the school did exactly the right thing.

- J

i respectively disagree
i get your point, but the first ammendment still entitles him to express himself

the best course of action from the school wouldve simply been to ignore it
it would wear thin after a while and he'd get bored and start conforming again

but this was honestly the worst way they couldve dealt with it

and if christians are offended by this, then it shows insecurities within their own beliefs

You're respectfully wrong. "Free Speech" does not mean that you can say and/or do whatever you want with no repercussions at any time. He was in school, which is either a state or private institution with its own rules and code of conduct. He broke those rules by creating a disturbance in the name of making a farcical statement. While he is free to dress like a Jackass, they're also free to suspend him for it.

- J

did you even read my post? whatever

if the school was a uniform school, then fair enough
but if students are free to wear their own clothes then he broke no rules and was simply seeking attention which would've been dealt with best by simply ignoring him

we dont know enough information really
but assuming he wasnt making a disruptance besides wearing a pirate costume, and the school allows student's own clothes, then they were in the wrong

 

[Riding on Thermals]

Is that a jab at the Big Bang Theory? because there's proof for the Big Bang Theory

Proof? Like... someone being there to witness it? Call me a hypocrite, but I won't accept any less evidence.

By "proof" he means that we can recreate the Big Bang in small scale and observe predictable and repeatable behavior. I don't know which flavor religion you subscribe to, but you believe the "witness" given by those texts as interpreted by hundreds of translations over thousands of years as fact?

Not only did you counter his argument (and quite well) but you're the proud owner of the 200th post!!!

SCORE! 200-get! Anyway, I'm off for a bit. Hold down the fort until this thread gets locked. I'll be back after my dinner: linguine with meat sauce.

On a related matter, as I'm about to ritually partake of my god FSM just got 80% more legitimate!