Could America be invaded?

[Zombie Badger]

Oh boy would that be a treat. I'd grab my 12 Gauge, 2 glocks, and my AR-15 and go kill some badly trained troops.

First, why grab all the weapons? If you are defending your home under siege from attackers then fine, but any trained soldiers will throw grenades through your windows. If you are moving, the weight of both the rifle and the shotgun, along with the ammunition, would slow you down. Also, why both Glocks? You only need one anyway. Finally, any country that could invade the US would have very well trained troops, who are trained to deal with squads of trained soldiers, and would easily defeat someone who thinks they will have fun slaughtering them. I'd recommend getting a scope for the AR-15, taking it and the Glock, and sniping enemy soldiers from medium to long range. Use the sniper tactic of fire, relocate, fire, relocate.

 

[Del-Toro]

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I believe it could.

War of 1812.

It WAS invaded.

In retaliation, and Canadian/British forces even destroyed Washington DC.

 

[Ginnipe]

Personaly I think that invading the south would be pretty damned hard since everyone down there owns a gun a even kids know how to use em. I live in maine, I'd like to see some invader try to invade us, we all know the landscape well and play paintball/airsoft alot using really good tactics. And since up here it's great for hunting that means alot of people atleast own some kind of gun.

 

[historybuff]

Is this just another Slam America thread? I do get so tired of those.

And please don't compare us to Nazi Germany. That's just insulting. I'm going to assume you're not from the United States because anyone with brain cells to rub together that lives in this country knows that FOX News is hardly news at all. It's garbage.

And why the hell would we try to copy Rambo? You know, we do know the difference between movies and reality. Geez.

Yeah, we do own a lot of guns. My mom, my sister, my dad--all have their gun permits and I'll be getting mine once I have the money. It doesn't mean we're all crazy. Yeah, we like our violent movies and yeah, we can be proud of the good things we've done--while still being aware of the bad things we've done--but you get that with any country. Great Britain has done some amazing things--but they built an empire (and had it until the 1940s) and ruled it very efficiently--but they're still impressive and I wouldn't begrudge anyone from England about being proud of their country. (Hell, I think they're really impressive.)

So obviously, yes--with a large coalition force, England's Royal navy--especially at the head of the Commonwealth like they are, France, Germany as support (because they have not been allowed combat roles since the end of WWII, though that may change)--you'd have to have a large global power like Russia too.

But keeping it? Making it successful? That'd be hard pressed. Making it worth it? Considering America's presence in the global economy/market, not to mention overseas.

To clear the air regarding a nuclear war with America, seeing as lots of people are blabbing on about it, I'm going to mention that the USA has something like the largest or second largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world, and as soon as they realized that nukes were coming, long range bombers would be mobilized and silos would light up all across the country, immersing the enemy in a massive nuclear shitstorm even bigger than the one the Americans would be facing. The only countries that could even attempt to do this are China and Russia, and either way both countries would be annihilated. Anyone play fallout?

Also. This.

We have a 90% chance of being able to intercept the nuclear weapons that North Korea keeps saying they're going to use on Hawaii. If it came to nuclear war--obviously we would launch in return if it became clear that the other industrialized countries had lost their collective minds. Realistically, only Russia is big enough (and has an arsenal of nuclear weapons large enough) to risk nuclear war with the United States and the consequences of such a war between the two countries would be disastrous for the rest of the world.

 

[Windexglow]

Ah wheel chair generals, you are everywhere aren't you.


My take: Absolutely we could be invaded. But I doubt they could stay too long. While Americans aren't as patriotic as you foreign guys take us (remember, our major tv news is mostly watched by older folk) I'm sure a lot of gorilla groups would appear very quickly.

Secondly, americans hate change. We ***** when the gas rises. We ***** when a store doesn't sell what we want. We ***** when a show changes. We ***** when something is too hard. If we were invaded than transportation would be severely cut down, inflation would be massive for a short time, ect. People would get very pissed much faster than people in iraq did (excluding cultural differences at the time)

Thirdly, say what you want but Americans can be pretty damn crafty. Just look at some of our lawsuits - while we aren't the biggest user, the vast majority of people can connect to the internet which would supply enough information to get a local insurgency going.

Fourthly, americans are pretty damn violent at times. We aren't blood thirsty killers, but most men here can get defensive over anything. Matched up with our growing aggression towards outsiders, that wouldn't make a good combo for a large invading force.

Fifthly, while we do have a very large gun supply any invading force would be quick to destroy gun ships/ammo plants. But, we have a country right below us who are not only quite good at getting illegal stuff over the border, but the know-how to do/sell it quickly.

If any invading country..invaded, they could probably push themselves in before we got our shit together. The american military is pretty good, but it has it's limits.

EDIT: Oh yes, the nuclear weapons. I doubt any country would use nuclear weapons against us - simply too many targets to hit at the same time (including subs, allies should we have them, ect) to guarantee none are shot back over.

 

[murphy7801]

So many people seem to be obsessed with ignoring the giant, red, white, and blue nuclear fueled ban-hammer the U.S. holds. Feel like giving your country a permaban from the Earth?

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See the thing with nukes they still have electrical components so if get them with emp before the launch there unable to launch thats why they fire you fire and wait for them to landed.

America doesn't worry about nuclear missiles in launchers. They have stealth bombers that can drop a fuckton of them, or subs.

Have you seen what happen when a sub get hit with an EMP. Oh and you can guess what happen when a plane gets hit.

You've been watching too many movies. An EMP will temporarily disable the electronic components of the sub, but those systems will be reactivated in time and the sub will move again. The most critical systems in modern submarines also have non-electronic backups so things like air circulation aren't going to shut off.

As for aircraft, EMP's don't travel all the fast while modern jets do. The engines are not electronic, just the ignition systems and the controls are hydraulic. Radar and weapon guidance systems will shut down for a while, but the plane isn't going down.

And I forgot one small detail, the only country with an EMP bomb large enough to shut down more than a few city blocks is the US. The largest one WE have can only shut down a small town (maybe 20,000 people.)

actually emp of high enough magnitude will permanently destroy electronics and there a very large source of emp is a sun flare so just trigger one whilst America that side of the sun hay presto.

 

[historybuff]

Oh boy would that be a treat. I'd grab my 12 Gauge, 2 glocks, and my AR-15 and go kill some badly trained troops.

First, why grab all the weapons? If you are defending your home under siege from attackers then fine, but any trained soldiers will throw grenades through your windows. If you are moving, the weight of both the rifle and the shotgun, along with the ammunition, would slow you down. Also, why both Glocks? You only need one anyway. Finally, any country that could invade the US would have very well trained troops, who are trained to deal with squads of trained soldiers, and would easily defeat someone who thinks they will have fun slaughtering them. I'd recommend getting a scope for the AR-15, taking it and the Glock, and sniping enemy soldiers from medium to long range. Use the sniper tactic of fire, relocate, fire, relocate.

Firstly, I'd assume that person would take them all because, uh, invading troops aren't like a zombie invasion that will just walk into your line of fire. Obviously, we wouldn't stay home--if there truly was an invasion, we would band together, not stay home. So, you'd take your ammunition and shit with you.

 

[walkingdead127]

It can be invaded but I don't think the invading country would want to stay long.

 

[Zombie Badger]

And please don't compare us to Nazi Germany. That's just insulting. I'm going to assume you're not from the United States because anyone with brain cells to rub together that lives in this country knows that FOX News is hardly news at all. It's garbage.

I wasn't trying to suggest that the US is Nazi Germany. I was saying that the media in your country that people in other countries see, is about as rabidly patriotic about America as the Nazi media was about Germany. Many people in America, like you, are smart enough to realise that FOX news is bullshit. It's just a shame we don't get to see more stuff from people like you.

 

[Fallswhale]

I just rememebered the major reason this doesn't work out. Fortress America(worst friendly game EVER). It was a board game that came out in the late 80's and assumed a fairly equal technology level and granted that the adversaries would make it to our shores. Unfortuanately it was very difficult to maintain any footholds the commies made because they wouldn't get enough reinforcements. The secret was a German style Blitzkrieg, but unfortunately whether it is the Appelacians or the Rockies the only weak spot was texas and we have all been made abundantly clear you don't mess with Texas lightly.

After refugees from the coasts settled in the Midwest it is game on and just so the outsiders know it there are enough bases in that part of the world to whatever your nation thought a millitary industrial complex was.

 

[Zombie Badger]

Oh boy would that be a treat. I'd grab my 12 Gauge, 2 glocks, and my AR-15 and go kill some badly trained troops.

First, why grab all the weapons? If you are defending your home under siege from attackers then fine, but any trained soldiers will throw grenades through your windows. If you are moving, the weight of both the rifle and the shotgun, along with the ammunition, would slow you down. Also, why both Glocks? You only need one anyway. Finally, any country that could invade the US would have very well trained troops, who are trained to deal with squads of trained soldiers, and would easily defeat someone who thinks they will have fun slaughtering them. I'd recommend getting a scope for the AR-15, taking it and the Glock, and sniping enemy soldiers from medium to long range. Use the sniper tactic of fire, relocate, fire, relocate.

Firstly, I'd assume that person would take them all because, uh, invading troops aren't like a zombie invasion that will just walk into your line of fire. Obviously, we wouldn't stay home--if there truly was an invasion, we would band together, not stay home. So, you'd take your ammunition and shit with you.

Have you ever tried carring a shotgun, an assault rifle, two pistols and ammo for all of them for a long distance? I said to take the AR-15 because the ammo is relatively compact and light, so you can kill more efficiently with it. It also has a greater range, and buckshot is stopped by most body armour, especially military grade. This also leaves more room for food and other useful items.

 

[Zombie Badger]

A misinterpretation of the constitution? You're wrong, only an idiot believes government officials are the only ones allowed to own a gun.

I did not say only government officials. I said a 'well-organised militia', set up to defend a town, like a police force or the National Guard. Also, your avatar says more about you than your words do.

 

[historybuff]

And please don't compare us to Nazi Germany. That's just insulting. I'm going to assume you're not from the United States because anyone with brain cells to rub together that lives in this country knows that FOX News is hardly news at all. It's garbage.

I wasn't trying to suggest that the US is Nazi Germany. I was saying that the media in your country that people in other countries see, is about as rabidly patriotic about America as the Nazi media was about Germany. Many people in America, like you, are smart enough to realise that FOX news is bullshit. It's just a shame we don't get to see more stuff from people like you.

Oh, okay. That's okay then. I hate it when other countries have to see FOX because they're hardly news at all. It's garbage. And Bush was a terrible leader--there has been heavy dissent in this country for quite a few years, actually. A lot of us hated--and still hate--Bush. And I'm so glad we have Obama now to help us clean up a little.

Sorry for getting defensive. Sometimes it just seems like everyone is so quick to slam Americans--and I love learning about other people and other countries and yet, sometimes, I still feel like I can't tell people where I'm from or they'll assume I'm just an arrogant idiot. I want that phase of America's press abroad to be over because I would love to go to abroad and learn about others.

 

[Danzaivar]

It'd be pointless anyway due to the whole patriotism thing, the only part of America worth a damn for an invading force is the land and natural resources. Nuke it, orbital bombardment, whatever, re-colonise after the fallout.

In conventional terms I'd say it would be the second hardest place in the world to invade. The hardest being China. Third being Switzerland (No army as such, but the POPULATION is an armed militia).

 

[historybuff]

Oh boy would that be a treat. I'd grab my 12 Gauge, 2 glocks, and my AR-15 and go kill some badly trained troops.

First, why grab all the weapons? If you are defending your home under siege from attackers then fine, but any trained soldiers will throw grenades through your windows. If you are moving, the weight of both the rifle and the shotgun, along with the ammunition, would slow you down. Also, why both Glocks? You only need one anyway. Finally, any country that could invade the US would have very well trained troops, who are trained to deal with squads of trained soldiers, and would easily defeat someone who thinks they will have fun slaughtering them. I'd recommend getting a scope for the AR-15, taking it and the Glock, and sniping enemy soldiers from medium to long range. Use the sniper tactic of fire, relocate, fire, relocate.

Firstly, I'd assume that person would take them all because, uh, invading troops aren't like a zombie invasion that will just walk into your line of fire. Obviously, we wouldn't stay home--if there truly was an invasion, we would band together, not stay home. So, you'd take your ammunition and shit with you.

Have you ever tried carring a shotgun, an assault rifle, two pistols and ammo for all of them for a long distance? I said to take the AR-15 because the ammo is relatively compact and light, so you can kill more efficiently with it. It also has a greater range, and buckshot is stopped by most body armour, especially military grade.

Better to stuff it all in a duffle bag and take it with you---rather than leave it for a looting military force. I wouldn't leave it behind. And, if you band up with others, you'll have weapons to share. (We like to share!)

 

[SendMeNoodz84]

Oh boy would that be a treat. I'd grab my 12 Gauge, 2 glocks, and my AR-15 and go kill some badly trained troops.

First, why grab all the weapons? If you are defending your home under siege from attackers then fine, but any trained soldiers will throw grenades through your windows. If you are moving, the weight of both the rifle and the shotgun, along with the ammunition, would slow you down. Also, why both Glocks? You only need one anyway. Finally, any country that could invade the US would have very well trained troops, who are trained to deal with squads of trained soldiers, and would easily defeat someone who thinks they will have fun slaughtering them. I'd recommend getting a scope for the AR-15, taking it and the Glock, and sniping enemy soldiers from medium to long range. Use the sniper tactic of fire, relocate, fire, relocate.

Firstly, I'd assume that person would take them all because, uh, invading troops aren't like a zombie invasion that will just walk into your line of fire. Obviously, we wouldn't stay home--if there truly was an invasion, we would band together, not stay home. So, you'd take your ammunition and shit with you.

Have you ever tried carring a shotgun, an assault rifle, two pistols and ammo for all of them for a long distance? I said to take the AR-15 because the ammo is relatively compact and light, so you can kill more efficiently with it. It also has a greater range, and buckshot is stopped by most body armour, especially military grade. This also leaves more room for food and other useful items.

I was being sarcastic. o_o