Anyone with at least one solid play through of the game, should NEVER consider themselves a casual fan, considering how much (literal for your character) blood, sweat, and tears went into that play through. Trust me, you wouldn't have gotten through the third hour if you weren't determined to get to the end.jhoroz said:
There's barely any NPCs, the game's focus is squarely on the dungeon crawling. If DnD had the same setup as Dark Souls, it would cease being an RPG, it would be a dungeon crawler. Dark Souls also has no stats or skills that aren't tied to combat (where's your speech or lockpick skill for example), that's a HUGE sign that you are not playing an RPG.Ishal said:
The stat requirements to use weapons are rather low. Weapons don't have specific move sets with certain stats requirements. I used the Iaito much of the game, new moves didn't open up as I leveled Dex, I had the same moves available with the Iaito from the second I got it to the second I beat the game. Fucking God of War gives you more moves and abilities as you progress than Dark Souls.Ishal said:
I made my character with high Dex for the weapon scaling for my Iaito. That doesn't mean that I'm not aware that I could've forgone leveling Dex, put lightning on the Iaito, and it would've been basically as effective. I just understand game systems and mechanics and I know you that you can min/max in Dark Souls like no other game.Ishal said:
Are you saying miracles aren't spells as well? They rely on Faith, not Int. Come the fuck on, Pyromancy is just fire magic even the Dark Souls Wiki says it's fucking magic. And if you want some kind of magic, whether it be fire, sorcery, or miracles, you can choose to use fire without any stat investment. Attunement is the only thing you may have to level a little to get a few more spell slots.Ishal said:
It can or can't. The dungeon design is really good. There's a lot more issue with enemies than their placement, which isn't bad for the most part. It's just annoying having enemies camping corners like a noob in a FPS. And the occasional stuff like the Anor Londo archers.Ishal said:
My complaint about the lock-on system isn't my inability to use weapons when not locked-on, it has to do with how much your movement and blocking is fucked when you're not locked-on. Name a game that when blocking your character will turn around instead of backpedaling? No game does that bullshit other than Dark Souls. The game's controls don't allow you to backpedal while not locked-on, that is just a fact of something I can't do because of the controls.Ishal said:
After my Dark Souls high I searched high and low for games that might be similar. Dark Arisen, the expansion for DD was real close in terms of atmosphere. I enjoyed it, but the game is no where near Dark Souls. Best thing they did in Dark Arisen was put in a fast travel system which wasn't in the first game. That really killed it for me. The monotony of running everywhere and killing the same mobs and even bosses over and over and over was simply terrible.Baddamobs said:
The focus of Dark Souls is dungeon crawling, not role-playing. If DnD was exactly Dark Souls but pen and paper, DnD would not be an RPG. There isn't even a single stat or skill (there's not even skills) in Dark Souls that isn't about combat.Baddamobs said:
No, it's a huge sign that it's an RPG that focuses on combat more than other aspects. Most dungeon crawlers are RPG's. There are 32 different NPC's that you can interact with in one way or another. The only huge sign here is that you have no idea what you're talking about.Phoenixmgs said:
Yes they do. I can only two hand the gravelord sword at 16 strength. It takes 24 to use it with one hand and an off hand weapon or shield. In Dark Souls, that is fundamentally changing the gameplay. A two handed strong attack may be different than a one handed depending on the weapon. You said leveling stats does not change gameplay, and you were wrong.
You understand little. The damage of an elementally buffed weapon is significantly weaker than that of a regular weapon properly scaled with it's specific stat.
You complain about min maxing and the avoidance of investing in certain areas. The only magic not tied to a stat is pyromancy, but that requires investment as well. Souls are both the currency to purchase consumables and the requirement for leveling. There is no difference between leveling your pyromancy flame and leveling intelligence for magic. Both require souls. It isn't as if you are cutting corners by using one resource to level magic and using another for something else.
Why is this "bullshit?" This is not a problem of the game. It's simply something you don't like. The lock on feature can be terminated at any time after you've backpedaled enough. Enemies telegraph their attacks almost 99% of the time. I don't know why you would insist on going into combat without using the feature designed for the combat. As a strictly third person game it's essential to have to enable proper movement of the camera.
Did you ever finish The Witcher? That game had a pretty slow burn and I feel like I didn't really get in to it until around chapter 3. Regardless, it's probably one of my favorite rpgs to be released within the past decade.Ponyholder said:
Oh, wow!!! 32 different NPCs!!! Most of the NPCs are just fucking merchants. Dungeon crawlers aren't RPGs. Listen to the following Escapist Podcast so you can actually educate yourself on what an RPG is:Ishal said:
That stat requirements are there to USE weapons, not open up new moves. Yeah, I can swing a huge sword extremely poorly and technically use it with low strength. Getting up to the stat requirement is to actually be able to use the weapon effectively, not open up new moves.
You can use a weapon with an element very effectively and not need the stat investment. Lastly, when the game first launched, weapon scaling was actually shit and putting elements on weapons was better than the scaling.
I can make a say a level 50 character using fire magic that is just better than a level 50 character that uses sorceries or miracles because of fire magic not needing requiring a stat requirement. Imagine how broken DnD would be if a magic class could have awesome magic without a stat investment. Dark Souls just has very poor RPG mechanics.
There's some enemies you can't lock-on to. If you see an enemy around a corner, many times the game doesn't let you lock-on to him, you try to block and backpedal, and your character turns around and gets hit in the back for no reason. Also, enemy attack go through walls for some stupid reason as well.
I wasn't arguing on that issue (mostly because if the idea that for it to be an RPG you HAVE to have character development, then Skyrim isn't really an RPG since your character is the same personality wise at the start as they were at the end; unless you impact yourself onto the otherwise mute character, like you do on Dark Souls), my argument was that I've seen you in other threads acting rather passionately in the argument of why Dark Souls is a bad game (which was more to deflect arguments made that KoA isn't the messiah of good RPG's), and was calling it out earlier to avoid a repeat event.Phoenixmgs said:
I have a few suggestions you might like, but none are very recent, and none I think can equal the scope of Dark Souls.Itchi_da_killa said:
Educate myself on what an RPG is?Phoenixmgs said:
You take the role of the chosen undead in the land of Lordran. Your job is to link the fire of the first flame in order to keep light in the world, should you choose to do so.
Your character changes from hollow to human form multiple times depending on how you play, which fits into the narrative not just the gameplay. You are given goals in the story to complete and set about doing them acting out the roles in the narrative. At several points in the game you are asked to make decisions when you interact with NPC's. At the end of the game you make a choice to have 1 of 2 endings.
Just like in other RPG's if set requirements for certain quests aren't met, they won't run to completion.
Awesome thanks. I completely forgot about the Gothic series. I was meaning to check them out.Gdek said:
Yeah the boss fights that I played for were sick! Just the way the game looked and felt was breathtaking. The thing is, combat has to be awesome and I didn't like the combat system in that game.Baddamobs said:
