no you could switch between 4. and the d pad is used for nightvision etc.Jabberwock xeno said:
Also how is it not ggearboxes failt? if they wanted you to carry more weapons they could change the game to do that.
Dev admits DNF was dumbed down for consoles.
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Also how is it not ggearboxes failt? if they wanted you to carry more weapons they could change the game to do that.
Jesus Christ, i feel so dumb for playing on a console instead of a PC. I mean if it takes a little bit more time to switch weapons IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL ! Damn, every video games company are so scared of doing a little step back (i dont mind a step back honestly). It's like if they were scared that someone would be like:
"What you have multiple weapons and i have to scroll up/down to pick the one that i want ???"
"OMGWTFBBQN00B THIS GAME SUCKS !11!!1!"
I think a game can only get better if the developpers takes some risks instead of playing it safe all the time bunch of fucking pussies.
"What you have multiple weapons and i have to scroll up/down to pick the one that i want ???"
"OMGWTFBBQN00B THIS GAME SUCKS !11!!1!"
I think a game can only get better if the developpers takes some risks instead of playing it safe all the time bunch of fucking pussies.
this, and sadly enough enough pc people believe them, if you have ever actually used a controller in a decent game, it can do shit tons, especially with button combo's, it's just dev's are too lazy to put it in the game/sequelCatchy Slogan said:
Hoo boy, where do I start opining on this one.
First, let's be frank about one thing. Trends and standards in FPS games are changing. All I can really say is...well, get over it.
Second, that's not necessarily due to consoles. As others said, consoles can and do readily support hyperspace arsenals. That's not "dumbing down" anything, it's a deliberate design choice made along current trends, and perhaps even a hint of making a game more efficient. Yes, Gearbox playing the "but consoles" card to redirect the nostalgic rage of PC gamers is irritating, and them outright saying "times are changing, man up Nancy" would have been far preferable at least in my opinion as someone who plays on the PC and on consoles.
Third, let's be frank. I used to play the run-and-gun hyperspace arsenal shooters all the freaking time. Quake 3, UT99 and 2004, Doom, Half-Life, you name it I've played it, online and offline. I know damn well as anyone else that despite the existence of hyperspace arsenals players tended to develop a preference for two or three distinct weapons and stick to those, depending upon availability, power, applicability and ease of use. That was true in single player and in multiplayer. As long as the player can get their hands on the weapons they prefer, a limited arsenal of two or three is sufficient.
This is a personal example based upon opinion, but I know that in UT99 my primary use for a ripper, pulse gun, shock rifle, rocket launcher or biorifle was to keep me alive until I could find my preferred tools: minigun, flak cannon, or sniper rifle. No, that wasn't because I was a noob who didn't know how or couldn't use those former weapons, or that they were underpowered; they just weren't my preference, and once I acquired a preferred weapon I rarely if ever used them.
Yes, a wide range of choices is still nice. Having that clutch weapon that's of situational use at hand is nice. You still have that in a game with a limited carrying capacity, but it becomes a tactical choice to carry that weapon. This is especially true in a game that has a large selection of underpowered or too-situational-to-be-useful weapons that almost no one uses anyways for no reason other than to pad the arsenal.
Simply put, the hyperspace arsenal isn't depth of game play that's been lost to "dumbing down" the genre for a mass audience or for consoles. It's a vestige of early-generation shooters that's been exposed as excessive and unnecessary, dumped in favor of (nominally, anyways) streamlined weapon selections and tactical choice, and longing for those days or raging that it's no longer available is plain nostalgia.
First, let's be frank about one thing. Trends and standards in FPS games are changing. All I can really say is...well, get over it.
Second, that's not necessarily due to consoles. As others said, consoles can and do readily support hyperspace arsenals. That's not "dumbing down" anything, it's a deliberate design choice made along current trends, and perhaps even a hint of making a game more efficient. Yes, Gearbox playing the "but consoles" card to redirect the nostalgic rage of PC gamers is irritating, and them outright saying "times are changing, man up Nancy" would have been far preferable at least in my opinion as someone who plays on the PC and on consoles.
Third, let's be frank. I used to play the run-and-gun hyperspace arsenal shooters all the freaking time. Quake 3, UT99 and 2004, Doom, Half-Life, you name it I've played it, online and offline. I know damn well as anyone else that despite the existence of hyperspace arsenals players tended to develop a preference for two or three distinct weapons and stick to those, depending upon availability, power, applicability and ease of use. That was true in single player and in multiplayer. As long as the player can get their hands on the weapons they prefer, a limited arsenal of two or three is sufficient.
This is a personal example based upon opinion, but I know that in UT99 my primary use for a ripper, pulse gun, shock rifle, rocket launcher or biorifle was to keep me alive until I could find my preferred tools: minigun, flak cannon, or sniper rifle. No, that wasn't because I was a noob who didn't know how or couldn't use those former weapons, or that they were underpowered; they just weren't my preference, and once I acquired a preferred weapon I rarely if ever used them.
Yes, a wide range of choices is still nice. Having that clutch weapon that's of situational use at hand is nice. You still have that in a game with a limited carrying capacity, but it becomes a tactical choice to carry that weapon. This is especially true in a game that has a large selection of underpowered or too-situational-to-be-useful weapons that almost no one uses anyways for no reason other than to pad the arsenal.
Simply put, the hyperspace arsenal isn't depth of game play that's been lost to "dumbing down" the genre for a mass audience or for consoles. It's a vestige of early-generation shooters that's been exposed as excessive and unnecessary, dumped in favor of (nominally, anyways) streamlined weapon selections and tactical choice, and longing for those days or raging that it's no longer available is plain nostalgia.
To everyone in this thread who has said "You can't judge it because you haven't played it!" I will say yes, yes we can judge it. When you go to buy a game in the store you don't just pick a random game from the shelves right? That's what you would do if you had no judgement about games you hadn't played. But instead you pick a game based on what you know about the games available. And in this case, DNF has a demo out. The entire point of a demo is to help gamers form an opinion about a game before they buy it. to make it clearer, WE CAN JUDGE DNF BASED ON THE DEMO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DEMOS ARE THERE FOR!
This is insulting. Not because the game got "dumb down for consoles" or any of that master PC elite nonsense. But because they're giving such a shitty reason for doing it. How many console games have I played that have loads of weapons in them? Too many to even count. Not enough buttons is NOT a valid excuse.
Next time you're going to accuse others of being stupid, try to spell mourn correctly. I mean come on man, every word in a text entry box with a red squiggly line under it is likely spelled wrong, so look for those and correct them before you hit the Post button on a post calling other stupid.Bigeyez said:
I AM NOT AN IDIOT! Yes, my controller doesn't have 900 buttons, but that doesn't make me stupid. You know what the worst part about this is? I know that alot of people aren't going to blame the developer. Oh, no no no no. They're going to point their finger DIRECTLY AT ME, THEN BLAME ME FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY! I am now going to have to deal with all the bullshit that I thought was finished. Great. Thanks alot gearbox. 3D0 may have been a bad developer, but at least they never came up with shit excuses. And their game had actual full size nukes as weapons. Not mini-nukes. Full-size city annihilating fucking nukes. I don't care how good your halo PC port was, gearbox. You can now officially go fuck yourselves.
Of the top of my head i did a quick easy way to use 6 weapons
Slot one. Weapon out
Slot two. Press y or triangle
Slot three. Hold Y or triangle Use D-Pad Up
Slot Four. Hold Y or triangle Use D-Pad Left
Slot Five. Hold Y or triangle Use D-Pad Down
Slot Six. Hold Y or triangle Use D-Pad Right
Done, simple.
Slot one. Weapon out
Slot two. Press y or triangle
Slot three. Hold Y or triangle Use D-Pad Up
Slot Four. Hold Y or triangle Use D-Pad Left
Slot Five. Hold Y or triangle Use D-Pad Down
Slot Six. Hold Y or triangle Use D-Pad Right
Done, simple.
unreal tournament 3 let you carry 9 weapons. this is no excuse. :/GiantRedButton said:
unreal tournament 3 lets you switch between 9 weapons with the shoulder buttons. Perfect Dark let you switch between the weapons by just cycling through them there's plenty of ways to get around it.Goldeneye1989 said:
lack of keys?, umm, Serious Sam HD has console releases, & they just use the D-pad for quick selectsGiantRedButton said:
Come on, this isn't the fault of consoles. In Bioshock, you have like 7 weapons and 7 plasmids at a time, and that worked perfectly. It's just the developer's decision not to do that.
