Dirty multiplayer tactics

[Russel1]

I dont think camping is an issue on COD4. ive got about 3 days play time, prestige twice. and not once have I got frustrated with someone camping, i mean sure you always get the 1 guy who camps and if hes lucky he can kill you twice, but there are always ways to kill them, thats why they give us frags, you can shoot through walls, i dont get frustrated. the game is well balanced, even with snipers most guns in the game can take them out if u spam in their direction ("LMG+Reddot sight > Sniper" =P) or with any assault. IMO its games like Rainbow6 where camping is an issue. the tactical shooters that arent as fast paced. i havnt played TF2 so i wudnt know bout that

 

[plastic_window]

-> Y,Y,Y with Rapheal in SC2 (Admit it we all do it)

I wasn't aware there was anything else to playing Raph besides that combo .

And Nazrel, the reason why I don't think it's fun is because I tried it once and found it so boring that I started to eat the keys off my keyboard. But, as you say, some people like fishing, so I guess there are people who get a kick out of it. It's just that, like fishing, you can wait all day for the fish and then let it get away. Then that really does make all the waiting pointless.

 

[GothmogII]

Straight up cheating, no, of course. Same with real exploits and glitches.

Camping however...isn't that how a sniper/rifleman etc. works? i.e. Finds an acceptable spot to bunker down that provides a good view of the field. Even if a sniper doesn't move from that one spot he's found, is that not on the other side to find him and kill him? I'd understand of course if said person had found a spot that was completely unaccessible to anyone else, maybe through a glitch, but otherwise, what's the problem? Note though, I think defending and camping are the same thing, in that, yes, you are trying to have the best possible advantage against your opponent without resorting to cheating.

I'm kind of getting this vibe, that, you shouldn't do your best, and even that you should deliberately make mistakes in order to not make things un-fun for other players. Seems, silly I guess, these are still competitive games even when playing for fun.

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

I just recently played warhawk, and seems like some people found some ways to fly a warhawk UNDER THE FUCKING MAP!

Also, TF2, it's hard to explain without having a long drawn out post so I'll put it like this:

Choose spy on a TC map - be offense.

Disguise/cloak

Head to second capture point

Wait for team to capture the first point

Once they do, you are instantly at the second point and you capture it almost instantly - and you won the game without having to fire a single shot.

I really hate scouts and spies who do this, it just seems utterly pointless. I mean, winning is fun and all, but what's the point if you use a cheap and pointless tactic that ends the game almost immediately?

 

[GothmogII]

I just recently played warhawk, and seems like some people found some ways to fly a warhawk UNDER THE FUCKING MAP!

Also, TF2, it's hard to explain without having a long drawn out post so I'll put it like this:

Choose spy on a TC map - be offense.

Disguise/cloak

Head to second capture point

Wait for team to capture the first point

Once they do, you are instantly at the second point and you capture it almost instantly - and you won the game without having to fire a single shot.

I really hate scouts and spies who do this, it just seems utterly pointless. I mean, winning is fun and all, but what's the point if you use a cheap and pointless tactic that ends the game almost immediately?

Shrug, that just shows that the other team wasn't paying attention, but, most times I've seen that happening all that results is a WTF/lol and it's on to the next map, i.e. not taken seriously...

 

[Mr. Kite]

I say let the Martyrs have their perk. It's their loss of a perk slot. I don't killed by it as much as I used to. You just have to be prudent, and even then, sometimes you still get caught by it. But by minimizing it with expecation, is it really something worth complaining about?

 

[Kronos 9000]

I love Jiharding everything Great fun. But i'm sure it'll get on a lot of your wicks.

However i seriously hate large group campers who keep you pinned down in a place and you can't get out. Maybe a good tactic? But i hate it!

 

[The Wooster]

I just recently played warhawk, and seems like some people found some ways to fly a warhawk UNDER THE FUCKING MAP!

Also, TF2, it's hard to explain without having a long drawn out post so I'll put it like this:

Choose spy on a TC map - be offense.

Disguise/cloak

Head to second capture point

Wait for team to capture the first point

Once they do, you are instantly at the second point and you capture it almost instantly - and you won the game without having to fire a single shot.

Perfectly valid tactic. The other team should be paying more attention. Every time you die, check the cap. I was on gravel pit a few days ago and while my team was capping B I went Engineer and went ahead to C. No one bothered to check the cap there so by the time B was secure I had a level 3 sentry, a dispenser, a teleporter and a heavy already on C. We won. No one bitched. They just accepted that they made a mistake.

 

[Gooble]

Snipers in COD4 who have semi-automatic rifles, and just fire at you repeatedly until you're dead. It requires absolutely no skill, and a sniper's meant to have skill goddamnit!

Again I agree with hating campers, unless they're a sniper. I have no fun whatsoever camping with anything but the sniper rifle, and even then I'm often constantly on the move, terrified that someone I've just killed is coming along to kill me once he's spawned and knows where I am. However, this does set it up nicely for a trap

 

[Johnn Johnston]

If you were meant to camp in game, you would be given a slot next to your grenades filled with the marshmallows for the bonfire.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

if camping is a part of normal warfare why would it not be a part of online games about warfare?

and you don't need a sniper rifle to be a sniper. actual "sniper rifles" weren't even invented until the Vietnam war. before then, it was modified hunting or sport rifles. and even during Vietnam the VC would often snipe using iron sighted AKs.

camping is a standard firefight tactic, only in the real world it's called either sniping or defending.

 

[derpa]

Statistically 70% of the gaming market is exclusively single player. I know no one believes that, probably because forum posting sorts are likely savvy when it comes to linking things together, and likely more community based. Add that to the media overload on the multiplayer front, then no one pays attention to market statistics preferring not to try and figure things out on their own.

You have a source or you pulling this out your ass?

 

[goodman528]

I can't stand to see people move side-to-side and jump around like a lunatic. More than anything to me, that breaks any immersion that was left after grenade-spamming, aimbots, wallhacks, and "your momma" jokes. Especially if they can dance about like that, then put a bullet (or laser, plasma ball, etc.) smack in your face. Are people incapable of using cover or tactics in a gunfight anymore?

I'm guilty of that. Though it's a lot harder than people think to hit anything when your screen is a mass spasm of colours. It's very effective though, especially in quake/UT/medal of honor style games. Ever wondered why games carry epilepsy warnings?

I'm guilty of nade spamming too ("medal of honor: allied assult"). Though I'm not sure what you guys mean by nade spamming. In the good old days of MoH:AA, if you cocked up your nades and threw them in quick succession over a wall near your enemy's spawn point; that's considered nade spamming. You only get 2 to 4 nades.

I'm guilty of team killing as well, but very occasionally. In games with smoke/gas/flash bang grenades, especially where smoke does damage as you pass it, it is highly amusing to throw as many smoke grenades as you can at the only exit from your team's spawn point. It is also highly amusing to throw flash bangs ("CSS") into the room/alley your team mate is fire fighting in. oh yer, not to mention throwing a smoke nade in front of your team's MG / sniper.

Here's the things I hate:

I hate campers. If you want to use a sniper rifle, the least you can do is move from spot to spot. Move to a spot, look around, no target; move to another spot, look around, see target, shot it; then move to another spot; OR, get your team mates to tell you where the enemy MG / sniper / suppressing fire guy is, and go and get him. You do NOT need to sit in the same spot all game, it's a complete waste of your time, and everyone else's time.

People with 2000dpi mice, then configure them to very sensitive, completely suppresses all recoil on machine guns and goes around rambo style ("Day of defeat"). Or turning 180 degrees in a split second and shooting you as soon as they get hit (that's skill though).

In battlefield '42, people shooting down planes with rifles. People jumping out of planes and catching a plane in mid-air and becoming a gunner. people jumping out of tanks when it's moving, sitting on it, and repairing it. people jumping around like idiots throwing mines randomly around your tank.

In RTS people who rush to the most inbalanced unit in the game, and produce nothing else but that. (all "command conquer" clones)

In RTS people who build a massive blob of units, and just move this massive blob around. No tactics what so ever. Why don't they just play Pacman or something?

I'm waiting for "Battle of the Iron Triangle -- the game" [korean war]. Huge amounts of carpet bombing with hundreds of planes; everything randomly blowing up every 7 seconds from 155mm barrages; all the tanks getting stuck on pixels and invisible walls on the hill; snipers camping in trenches everywhere; infantry throwing unlimited grenades at each others' trenches...... It would have awesome graphics, with dirt flying away soooo realistically, and weather effects, and moving cloud, dynamic lighting, etc. But it would be such aa crap game. only none of the developers could foresee it.

 

[derpa]

Camping, abuse of power weapons (rocket launchers etc.), no scoping (if you're that close pull out a goddamn shotty!), snipeing and granade spamming are the most annoying ones to me.

My main problems with sniping, before anyone starts preaching about its legitimacy as a tactic, are as follows:

1. A rediculously large number of people do it, if one person in a prticularly large match pulls out a sniper and takes a few shots...fine, no problem. If its a rather small match or (god forbid) a one-on-one and you are the only person not using one...it does get a tad annoying.

2. It's inconsiderate- granted, long range obliteration of the target may be the point of a sniper rifle, but if you are up against 1 person with a short range weapon then it does get somewhat infuriating when they continuously get picked off because you elected to stay seated in your super-secret unreachable sniping position at the end of a long tunnel or wide open space, there is a time and a place for it.

3. It's anti-social- While this may not be a very strong arguement, close or mid-range combatants can actually have rather epic or otherwise entertaining fights at their ranges while long range encounters tend to be one-sided and dull which (lets be frank) doesn't make for good annecdotes to your friends the day after.

Wow, so people should play how they want you to have them play.

 

[beastman227]

I'm not sure if anyone here blays bad company, but there are two things i hate in that game. 1) the dipshit noob who, when you happen to have the artillery, decides it's his right to use the artillery (that you're in), so he knifes you or blows it up. 2) The cunts who like to flip vehicles and repair them. It just defeats the purpose of the game.

P.S. Iron Mal, if you don't like sniping play offline or find a way to counter it

 

[AboveUp]

I'm not sure if anyone here blays bad company, but there are two things i hate in that game. 1) the dipshit noob who, when you happen to have the artillery, decides it's his right to use the artillery (that you're in), so he knifes you or blows it up. 2) The cunts who like to flip vehicles and repair them. It just defeats the purpose of the game.

P.S. Iron Mal, if you don't like sniping play offline or find a way to counter it

There's so much wrong with the people playing that game online it's not even funny.
I've once had an entire team sniping from a very long distance... While playing as the attacking team. Needles to say, we didn't blow up a single gold crate, since I was the only one trying to get near it.

People that like the damage you can do to the terrain so much they blow up walls randomly... even if you are using that wall for cover.

And worst of all... Teammates that like putting that specialists sensor on your head, so you can't see anything.

 

[Aifel]

Camping in CoD4.

So many kills...

 

[fyrh56]

[thing is try being a sniper and moving around a lot, you CAN'T, the whole point of a sniper is to find one spot you don't have to move from and you can have a relatively unobstructed view of the battle

so moving around is not very good for a steady shot and thinking that they should move, just shows how much you don't know about playing different classes and the tactics used to play them. funnily enough those snipers that sit in one spot and "have issues moving around the map" probly know that map as good if not better than you do

Oh, but you can be a moving sniper in CoD4 and heck, if you ever thought a camping sniper is annoying, pray that you never meet a moving one. Ever met a M21 ACOG sniper in CoD4? I hate those fuckers. They never camp. It's extremely annoying when you're getting your head perforated by the same guy behind that rock time and time again, and when you finally reach that rock you realize the guy moved behind that bush; and has fed you some more lead. It's even worse when you do manage to get close and personal and they kindly remind you that the M21 can be used as a regular single shot semi-auto rifle from the hip. Dang.

 

[blank0000]

I'm actually OK with spawn camping, at least in tf2 anyway. Sure its annoying, but if you've allowed an enemy to sneak THAAAAAAAAAT FAR across the map to your base, you've somewhat brought it upon yourself.

What does it for me is random team killing. Theirs no plausible reason for it except to gain pleasure at someone else expense and ya know, you have plenty of other willing targets scattered across the board, do you REALLY need to mess with your own team?

 

[HeyZeus_Ezekiel_Jesus]

Camping on the respawn points.