Do you agree with this?
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No, I don't agree with it at all. Emotional pain can't be compared to actual physical pain.
Sure, it might be distressing to have to deal with your significant other loosing their arm to an IED, but you're not the one who's actually lost their arm. To say you're the main victim because you have to deal with the emotional pain of a spouse who's lost their arm is pretty fucking insensitive to person who has to emotional pain of loosing their arm, combined with the pain of actually loosing an arm.
Have you ever lost an arm? I haven't, but I imagine it hurts.
You'll also notice I've used Gender Neutral terms there, because not only are her comments offensive to servicemen, they're twice as offensive to servicewomen, as she's implying they don't belong in the line of fire to begin with. She's worse than bloody Thatcher her! D=
Sure, it might be distressing to have to deal with your significant other loosing their arm to an IED, but you're not the one who's actually lost their arm. To say you're the main victim because you have to deal with the emotional pain of a spouse who's lost their arm is pretty fucking insensitive to person who has to emotional pain of loosing their arm, combined with the pain of actually loosing an arm.
Have you ever lost an arm? I haven't, but I imagine it hurts.
You'll also notice I've used Gender Neutral terms there, because not only are her comments offensive to servicemen, they're twice as offensive to servicewomen, as she's implying they don't belong in the line of fire to begin with. She's worse than bloody Thatcher her! D=
I'd say the poeple who actually get killed in wars are their primary victims. Mostly because they are the most direct victims of warfare. Anyone else is only a victim by proxy, in other words, they become a victim because someone else is a victim. Or because of something else that restricts access to supplies and resources on the homefront, war being as much if not moreso a numbers and supplies game than a killing game.
The real victims of war are the animals. I mean, they're all just grazing along and ohgod i can't keep a straight face. OK. War is hell, doesn't matter who you are.
Also, get a hotel if you want to have sausage eating contest.
Also, get a hotel if you want to have sausage eating contest.
At the end of the day, as others have said, Woman aren't the primary victims, the primary victims are the people who die in these wars.
But her quote could easily be reworded to
"Men have always been the primary victims of war. Men lose their wives, their fathers, their sons in combat"
Frankly, this is a silly arguement over a quote that may or may not be taken out of context.
We can all agree, that the primary victims are all of the civilians cuaght in the middle of a war, regardless of age, sex or creed.
But her quote could easily be reworded to
"Men have always been the primary victims of war. Men lose their wives, their fathers, their sons in combat"
Frankly, this is a silly arguement over a quote that may or may not be taken out of context.
We can all agree, that the primary victims are all of the civilians cuaght in the middle of a war, regardless of age, sex or creed.
i have no idea who said this, but it summarizes my feelings for war. "there are no people who are not harmed by the tragedies of war. No matter who you are you will either lose someone you love, witness horrors, live in perpetual fear, be forced to abandon you childhood and become a man, and do unspeakable acts. to say anyone goes through war without being hurt is like saying you can go through life without dying, it just happens."
It's rather awful snipping.Irridium said:
The statement was from a speech on domestic violence. She was trying to compare the suffering and fear experienced by the peoples of El Salvador to the suffering and fear domestic violence victims live with daily.[footnote]http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/EOP/First_Lady/html/generalspeeches/1998/19981117.html[/footnote]
This whole thread is ridiculous, a quick Google search shows that this thread was ripped horribly out of context.
Hint: The speech its from is about domestic violence.Belzera said:
now I remember why I dislike hillary she says stupid stuff (swear she's an older sarah palin) because like everyone else said everyone is a victimTrippy Turtle said:
This reminds me of one of my favourite quotes.
"Don't pity the dead, pity the living. Especially those who live without love"
"Don't pity the dead, pity the living. Especially those who live without love"
What the hell? That's stupid to say (the quote I mean). First off it's best to specify which kind of wars we're talking about, if its the current type i.e. fight in a faraway land, then no women are SO not the primary victims, if victims at all. Secondly she's assuming all women had Husbands and if they don't they need husbands, or maybe I'm twisting her words but why are husbands the reason women suffer? Lastly Ok c'mon, in a war the civilians always tend to be the least effected, not nearly as much as the military. I mean look at current wars, we haven't felt any effect of any of the wars the Western world has gone into (i.e. there's no cost or anything reminding you to the state of war, no rations no bombings etc.) you could argue the debt but defensive spending has not brought it to that and other departments are to blame, like healthcare, you could argue economy but again other factors are also to blame i.e. Federal Reserve.Trippy Turtle said:
There are no such things as "victims", anymore. No, no, the USA made sure of that after they dropped the nuke on Japan TWICE, and killed hundreds of thousands of people without a second thought. Hundreds of thousands of innocent civillians who had no part in the war, killed without mercy. The end of World War II marked the end of the era where killing civillians was unacceptable.
War hurts everybody equally. especially when they are illegal and unjust like every war since WW2 has been.