Do you feel sorry for non gamers?

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DioWallachia

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Scabadus said:
I kinda feel sorry for people who can't play games, not due to physical limitations (though I do feel sorry for them for different reasons): for exampe my mum just cannot play games. She can't do it. I tried getting her to play Halo with me once, I'm pretty sure she managed to crash her Spartan. For her, I feel sorry that she'll never get the chance to experiance the great games (if you can't pilot the Master Chief, imagine what a mindfuck Portal would be!).

A perfect contrast would be my brother, who simply doesn't enjoy games. He can play them, he can control the characters, and occasionally we fight each other on Dawn of War or something, but anything more than a single match in the evening and he becomes bored out of his mind. Him, I feel less sorry for... and I'm not sure why.

Maybe this is getting too philosophical than it was meant to, but at least my brother gets to try them, lets to give the story a chance to be so good that it overcomes his natura apathy towards the medium. My mum, on the other hand, will simply not be able to even try the first 5 minutes of the story to see if it grabs her.
Could you give a total list of ALL the games he played? preferably in order.
 

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So if I show a picture of Call of Duty, I'd prove you wrong too?
No because the film industry has been around since 1895 and all the remakes/reimagining/sequels since 2000 are the majority of all what Hollywood shat out and already exceed every single good movie or high art film ever made PERIOD. (the remake to exploit brand recognition that has been around since forever has been explained by Mr Plinket in his Star Trek 2009 review)

For games at least only COD and MW3 are the black sheep that we can easily dismiss because video games exist since Atari times (at best 30+ years compared to 100+ of Hollywood) and i can forgive that the people making video games still havent realized that this isnt the place for the bullshit that the film industry does. There isnt just enough COD or MW3 to ruin everything yet because Its just a matter of perception, the fact that people talk about those games doesnt change anything because in the long run they will run out of things to said.
 

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PureAussieGamer said:
I have a lot of non gamer friends and i sometimes try to explain to them how emotionally invested in games people can get. I have tried to explain that i have been in a 4 year relationship with Liara from the Mass Effect series. I feel bad for them because they are missing out on some of the greatest stories told because they don't get to play games like Skyrim, Uncharted, Mass Effect and Metal Gear Solid to just name a few.

Let me know what you think.
Why Skyrim? Why Uncharted? Why Mass Effect? I could understand Metal Gear Solid for being so batshit insane the writing is (reminds me of Killer7)
 

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DioWallachia said:
Elmoth said:
So if I show a picture of Call of Duty, I'd prove you wrong too?
No because the film industry has been around since 1895 and all the remakes/reimagining/sequels since 2000 are the majority of all what Hollywood shat out and already exceed every single good movie or high art film ever made PERIOD.
That's called Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything is crap. It doesn't mean the remaining 10% is also crap.
 

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No not really. I envy them actually. Every decision I've made in a videogame means shit in the real world. Lots of wasted time I could have invested on something more meaningful.
 

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I'm a gamer and I haven't played any of the games you mentioned. And I don't feel sorry for myself, either. There's nothing wrong with not enjoying video games. There are plenty of other great hobbies and things to do with your time.
 

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Elmoth said:
DioWallachia said:
Elmoth said:
Games don't have that much to offer. Compare it to movies for example. The only games that one would say have to be played are . . . portal maybe?
Yeah, you are right. Movies have so much to offer!! Character Arcs, well structured narrative, good pacing and everything that makes a good movie that its worth every millons of dolla........

[Transformers]


Oh...wait

Uhm....Ok, bad example. i suppose that literature is having a great time showing off to the movies and games how a good story is don........


[Twilight]

...................

Why are we defending those again?

Its official. Games are the last bastion of creativity of the XXI century. Everything else its just a putrid creation to satisfy a wall
So if I show a picture of Call of Duty, I'd prove you wrong too?
Well, if there is nothing else left, we can at least listen to...



You know what? Fuck it.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
DioWallachia said:
Elmoth said:
So if I show a picture of Call of Duty, I'd prove you wrong too?
No because the film industry has been around since 1895 and all the remakes/reimagining/sequels since 2000 are the majority of all what Hollywood shat out and already exceed every single good movie or high art film ever made PERIOD.
That's called Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything is crap. It doesn't mean the remaining 10% is also crap.
Then why are you even saying that games DONT have much to offer? You just contradicted yourself. You just dont know many good games and that is it, in the same way that people think that there are no good movies anymore because they dont know any better.

Like i said "Its just a matter of perception"
 

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DioWallachia said:
Scabadus said:
Could you give a total list of ALL the games he played? preferably in order.
I can certainly try:

Ocarina of Time
Various Grand Theft Autos - from Vice City, up to 4, back down to buying 3 on his iPhone a few months ago
A football (that's soccer if you're American) game on the PS1, loved by my family because one of the combo buttons was to full-on boot your opponent in the face
Crazy Taxi on our old PS2 (this one, now I think about it, he could play for hours)
House of the Dead III (again, our home copy, we don't go to arcades much. I did have the lightguns though! :D)
Halo 1 & 2 (both co-op playing through the full campaign, along with many hours of splitscreen/networked multipayer, no online)
Sim City 3000 (we managed to play this against each other: start at one date, you have until another date to make as much money as possible. It's really fun!)
Counter-Strike: Source (for about an hour, offline, VS me. I think he got one kill... we have rather different natural skill levels)
Command and Conquer: Generals - Zero Hour
Dawn Of War: Dark Crusade, replaced by Soulstorm when it was released
Guitar Hero (or at least that type of game)
Neverwinter Nights 1 (again playing co-operativly with me, he enjoyed it but we never completed it - I was home for the holidays - and he never played it solo when I left)
Minecraft

That's all I can remember... I'm sure there are more and the order may not be perfect, but the importent ones are in there and it's mostly chronological.
 

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I imagine there's a lot of younger people on this forum because it is usually a fairly early stage in emotional maturity that you come to realise that different people derive interest from different things. It is very self centered to not be able to see outside of your own wants and be confused by this. That's a pretty brutal assessment, I understand.

For instance, my mum loves her gardening. Absolutely adores it. To me it's a horrific experience that I'd rather never do in my whole life. Different strokes for different folks and all.
 

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A little, because they always have a 'wtf' face when me and my gamer friends start talking. I mean, when three quarters of your friend group are looking at you like "Words come from your mouth but they make no sense to me!" because you're talking about the new shit in AC:R, you gotta feel bad because they're being excluded, and that's kinda shitty.

I mean, when it's three quarters of the group you're in, there's other shit for them to talk about. But I once spent the day with three of my friends, two of whom I grew up with playing video games, and one of their girlfriends. She spent the whole day confused as fuck, because the only thing we all had in common was we knew her boyfriend. We were friends because we all like manga, video games, Darren Shan books, metal music...
 

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DioWallachia said:
Kahunaburger said:
DioWallachia said:
Elmoth said:
So if I show a picture of Call of Duty, I'd prove you wrong too?
No because the film industry has been around since 1895 and all the remakes/reimagining/sequels since 2000 are the majority of all what Hollywood shat out and already exceed every single good movie or high art film ever made PERIOD.
That's called Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything is crap. It doesn't mean the remaining 10% is also crap.
Then why are you even saying that games DONT have much to offer?
I'm not.

DioWallachia said:
You just contradicted yourself. You just dont know many good games and that is it, in the same way that people think that there are no good movies anymore because they dont know any better.

Like i said "Its just a matter of perception"
I think that there are good and bad things in any medium. Most of them are bad, but that's true for games, books, films, whatever. Maybe you have me confused with someone else?
 

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I both pity them and envy them at the same time.

I pity them because they are missing out on works of art that gaming has created. Some of my most fun experiences have come from gaming.

I envy them though because I have wasted so much time when I should ave been doing other things. Chances are if I never got into gaming I'd be a solid A+ student. I also wouldn't have gotten into the internet as much meaning I would further have more time for work.

But I would have been unbelievably bored.
I REGRET NOTHING.
 

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DrVornoff said:
Scabadus said:
I tried getting her to play Halo with me once, I'm pretty sure she managed to crash her Spartan. For her, I feel sorry that she'll never get the chance to experiance the great games (if you can't pilot the Master Chief, imagine what a mindfuck Portal would be!).
It never occurred to you that you tried to make her run before she could walk?
Not at all; we started a game of Halo 1, going through the whole calibration process after you wake up from the cryo-bay. It's true, maybe something like... I don't know, Sam and Max would have had a simpler control scheme, but she isn't stupid, she knows what's going on, she knows that there is a control scheme. To put that in context, I once taught my grandmother how to use her very first computer; the person knowing there is some sort of control scheme is a bigger thing that most people realise. You and I just look at a controler or keyboard and will probably have a rough idea of how to control the character, my mum at least knew that these buttons and sticks did control the character. Some peope don't even have that.

Some people just can't get that signal from the brain into the machine via their thumbs. It's not intuitive and while it probably could be learnt, it will never be the seamless, thoughtless process that's needed to enjoy a game.
 

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DrVornoff said:
PureAussieGamer said:
I feel bad for them because they are missing out on some of the greatest stories told because they don't get to play games like Skyrim, Uncharted, Mass Effect and Metal Gear Solid to just name a few.
Uncharted is one of the greatest stories ever told? When did that happen?

Some people just don't want to play games. If they ever feel inclined to try it out, they will. Otherwise, just let it be.
Exacto. I don't really like art, it's just not my thing. I am pretty sure that almost everyone on this thread hasn't experienced all the myriad forms of different entertainment available to man and neither do they want too, for the opportunity cost is too high.