Do you respect your country's flag?
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I do respect my country's flag..based upon principles the founders went by. I also wish i had a German flag..no not the one with the swastika in the middle. German is a very big part of who i am and i've always wanted to know more about the Fatherland other than what happened when a certain Charlie Chaplain-esque mustached man was the leader.
This whole 'underdog' image that the American right has cultivated is a bit unconvincing, don't you think? The democracy of which you are so proud has chosen to elect a democrat, yet you throw around terms like 'socialism' and 'un-american' as if he took the white house by force. In no way is he trying to 'strike [you] down'; you're simply acting as a petulant child who hasn't been given his way.Sonic Doctor said:
Another thing i'd like to know is why so many of you Americans are so scared of socialism. The rough definition of the word is a political system in which the government takes an increased responsibility for the welfare of its people, and I always imagined that an America that looks after its own would've suited your concept of a utopian America, rather than the Laissez-faire attitude of bygone days. I mean, how can you justify America's self-imposed reputation as the best country in the world when its poorest citizens can't even get affordable healthcare? Thanks to Obama, issues such as this might just be addressed. If I were American, i'd be proud to see my government looking out for its own a bit more.
I'd also like to point out that this statement is untrue: "The majority of the country is opposed to what Obama is doing". This appears to be the case because of the extensive media attention given to movements like the Tea Party. In actuality, opinion polls from different sources all put Obama's approval rate at about 53% (that's a rough average). It was, at one point, in the high sixties, and the statistics havn't actually deviated much from a mid fifties average in the last couple of years. When half of the country chooses to elect the man to run their affairs, I hardly think he can be called a threat to 'what America stands for'. After all, is it not the voters that decide what their countries values are?
The Bald Eagle is the other symbol that comes up a lot, probably because it's on the seal of the President as well as the seal of the United States government. In the end I don't really care if a bunch of Iranians start burning flags and desecrating images of a bald eagle, they have the right to express themselves along with everyone else, as long as they don't actually harm anyone.Daveman said:
First off, I don't believe the approval polls. They are usually taken using phone surveys. It has statistically been proven that polls like that are skewed, because people on the left are more likely to take the time to answer one of those surveys, on the other end of that the right tends to hang up the phone after saying, "stop bothering us in our homes while we are eating dinner."Harrowdown said:
It doesn't matter what source the poll is from.
Secondly, the reason Obama got elected, is because there are enough sheep out there that will listen and believe anything that a silver tongued devil will say. I know several people that voted for Obama that are now asking things like, "But..but why is he doing all these controlling things? I thought he said that this health care wasn't going to cause taxes to go up, why is this happening?" Then I said to them, "Did you really believe just on his words that all your troubles would go away without a price." Now, John McCain wasn't a good candidate either, he is just slightly less progressive than Obama, with a dash of socialism. I would have preferred McCain, because he would have moved too slow with the Health Care thing and he wouldn't have gotten the job done.
Thirdly, Socialism may be as you defined as a government that takes increased responsibility for its citizens' welfare; but what you don't have in that definition is the fact that that increase welfare watching costs the citizens their freedoms. Take this pile of crap health care bill he has shoved down America's throat. Helping someone in need is called charity. We have the freedom to not help people, usually, because we need the money for things our families need. What this health care bill will do, it unavoidable, is raise taxes because it has too much crap crammed into it and will cost way too much. This new health care bill may help other people, but at a cost of money from many other families that need that money. It is forced charity, which is wrong. It is like that stupid idea that Obama has about making a federal government mandate that will make a certain amount of hours of community service a requirement for students to graduate high school; that is more forced charity. I and millions of other Americans reserve the right to not be charitable. The government has absolutely no right to force people to do things, and it definitely has no right to come into my home and dictate how I run my life.(That is the only way socialism can work, they have to force people to do things, by taking away privacy and freedom) We have already seen a miniaturized version of this oppressive socialism in the state of California, they had a bill going through their state government that would give the state government the power to regulate the thermostats in peoples' homes; they would decide how hot or cold people could set them, because they said they were trying to cut back on power to stop that global warming crap.
Fourthly, the bygone days as you call them were better, in the sense that this government was founded on the principle that the people of this country have the freedom to run their own lives without the hands of the government to slap them, then tell them they can't do what they want. It also had the principle that states would have the right to tell the federal government to go shove off. And as I say that, that is why many states are now in legal battles with the federal government over this health care bill and the other socialist things that the government is up to.
Their is a whole lot more I could say, but I just don't have the time to get it all out. Though I have a feeling that it wouldn't matter, because what I have said is common sense, and a lot of people don't get that these days, they skip the easy answer and make things more complicated than they really are and then they end up being wrong.
(I have made so many political responses like these on other forums, I should just write book.)
I hate symbolisism. I don't respect anybody's flag or any school's mascot or any company's logo.
Well, on the other side of my computer monitor, there's a big flag hanging on the side, but it's partly decorative, partly as a reminder of where i come from, and partly a symbol for me of 3 values.
To an extent, I make sure it is folded correctly and try to keep it off the ground even when I am not doing any official duties with it, but I am not on of those people who will go apeshit over little things even if I try to avoid them myself. Though it does piss me off when I see people completely desecrating it, not because of what they are doing to the flag itself, but because of what the act symbolizes.
Tea-Party yes, nut no.Reapd said:
If you read my last post above this one, you will see my stance on socialism. You can't have socialism without your freedoms being taken away. The US was built on the principle of freedom, and socialism will destroy it.