Dog get's shot by police *WARNING* may upset alot of viewers.

[Staskala]

Don't you still have Rabies in the USA? The dog was probably shot because of that.
That's as much a guess as anything else in this thread, but I'd say it's a plausible scenario. I highly doubt they would shoot the dog for fun.

There's no way this dog was rabid, rabid animals are straight up aggressive and would not be trying to flee from them when being restrained or just lay there like it did at one point. Nor would it WAG ITS TAIL after being shot.

Not neccessarily. While rather seldom the rage phase may not happen.

Anyway, the final stage of Rabies is paralysis of the rear legs which leads to the dog lying down and ceasing movement. Now take a good look at that video again. Notice something? Actually, disregard that, I just saw that he starts moving again in the end.

 

[FutureHousedad]

SNIP

More videos on the internet? What stunning proof of the officer's inhumanity.

I saw a video of an alien the other day on the net. I guess aliens are real. Bug Foot, too.

You watched the entirety of the video and you can still be so insensitive, disgusting.

OT: That is horrible. It is completely expected that a dog will freak out if you put what is essentially a noose around its neck. That was absolutely excessive force.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

You doubt it, you don't know it.

A 6 minute (silent) clip posted by a user in support of people who fight animal cruelty (a noble cause admittedly), with no context given, in the middle of a street in broad daylight - with several officers around.

It's not exactly convincing me yet. Don't get me wrong, I don't want the animal shot and I'd much rather it hadn't been, but forgive me for not simply assuming that a group of police officers are so vindictive as to kill a harmless animal.

Exactly.

Assumptions based on internet comments? No thank you.

It's like you're assuming that just because he's a serial rapist automatically makes it ok to murder him...

Rapists deserve to be murdered. They forfeit their right to life.

And with that said, I'm glad you do not nor shall ever have any sort of authority or commanding power.

No law can be arbitrary, no sentence should be greater than the crime committed, no one man should dictate when and how another man's life comes to an end. Clamor for the willful and unnecessary death of a man and you're no better than the criminal.

Almost every sentence is greater than the crime committed. If we're going to argue it from a certain angle, you could say that even a years jail time is "greater" than the crime of rape, because in that time a person may be raped in prison, and will have lost much more of their life than the victim of the rape lost.

However, sentences are greater than the crimes. There's a reason for that. If you don't have a much stricter sentence than the crime committed, then there is no incentive to not commit the crime. If I know that if I steal $10,000, I will only be fined $10,000, I will most likely steal the money. I have nothing to lose from it, if I'm caught I'm back to where I started, and I have $10,000 to gain from it if I'm not caught. A sentence that is equal to or lighter than a crime is useless.

Of, and it is not unnecessary to kill a rapist. In many cases, it can be unnecessary to kill a murderer- if it was a crime of passion or a crime committed for a specific reason, then perhaps imprisonment and counseling could fix the murderer. No such actions can fix a rapist. They are broken beyond repair. They are a danger. They are not human. They deserve to die.

 

[thingymuwatsit]

American police!
The dog was probably owned (judging by its collar) presented no threat and it just seems like 2 fat guys got scared of a big dog barking.

 

[Fursnake]

Don't you still have Rabies in the USA? The dog was probably shot because of that.
That's as much a guess as anything else in this thread, but I'd say it's a plausible scenario. I highly doubt they would shoot the dog for fun.

There's no way this dog was rabid, rabid animals are straight up aggressive and would not be trying to flee from them when being restrained or just lay there like it did at one point. Nor would it WAG ITS TAIL after being shot.

Not neccessarily. While rather seldom the rage phase may not happen.

Anyway, the final stage of Rabies is paralysis of the rear legs which leads to the dog lying down and ceasing movement. Now take a good look at that video again. Notice something?

Your first point is true. Your second point, ehhhhhhh weak argument. I watch the video again, I see it sit down once and then lay down once, and briefly. I also see it do a whooooooooole lot before AND after that looks nothing like paralysis of the legs.

I don't see any symptoms nor see it react in any way that says "rabid".

 

[DarkRyter]

Now that's just a waste of ammo.

Also Cruelty is bad.

 

[Staskala]

Don't you still have Rabies in the USA? The dog was probably shot because of that.
That's as much a guess as anything else in this thread, but I'd say it's a plausible scenario. I highly doubt they would shoot the dog for fun.

There's no way this dog was rabid, rabid animals are straight up aggressive and would not be trying to flee from them when being restrained or just lay there like it did at one point. Nor would it WAG ITS TAIL after being shot.

Not neccessarily. While rather seldom the rage phase may not happen.

Anyway, the final stage of Rabies is paralysis of the rear legs which leads to the dog lying down and ceasing movement. Now take a good look at that video again. Notice something?

Your first point is true. Your second point, ehhhhhhh weak argument. I watch the video again, I see it sit down once and then lay down once, and briefly. I also see it do a whooooooooole lot before AND after that looks nothing like paralysis of the legs.

I don't see any symptoms nor see it react in any way that says "rabid".

Which is why I corrected myself.
Admittedly I'm not too fond of dogs getting shot so I didn't sit through the whole thing.
Well, I don't know what else to say, although I still like to think that there was a valid reason for a policeman to shoot a dog.
Everything else would be just too cruel.

 

[Nopenahnuhuh]

You doubt it, you don't know it.

A 6 minute (silent) clip posted by a user in support of people who fight animal cruelty (a noble cause admittedly), with no context given, in the middle of a street in broad daylight - with several officers around.

It's not exactly convincing me yet. Don't get me wrong, I don't want the animal shot and I'd much rather it hadn't been, but forgive me for not simply assuming that a group of police officers are so vindictive as to kill a harmless animal.

Exactly.

Assumptions based on internet comments? No thank you.

It's like you're assuming that just because he's a serial rapist automatically makes it ok to murder him...

Rapists deserve to be murdered. They forfeit their right to life.

And with that said, I'm glad you do not nor shall ever have any sort of authority or commanding power.

No law can be arbitrary, no sentence should be greater than the crime committed, no one man should dictate when and how another man's life comes to an end. Clamor for the willful and unnecessary death of a man and you're no better than the criminal.

Almost every sentence is greater than the crime committed. If we're going to argue it from a certain angle, you could say that even a years jail time is "greater" than the crime of rape, because in that time a person may be raped in prison, and will have lost much more of their life than the victim of the rape lost.

However, sentences are greater than the crimes. There's a reason for that. If you don't have a much stricter sentence than the crime committed, then there is no incentive to not commit the crime. If I know that if I steal $10,000, I will only be fined $10,000, I will most likely steal the money. I have nothing to lose from it, if I'm caught I'm back to where I started, and I have $10,000 to gain from it if I'm not caught. A sentence that is equal to or lighter than a crime is useless.

Of, and it is not unnecessary to kill a rapist. In many cases, it can be unnecessary to kill a murderer- if it was a crime of passion or a crime committed for a specific reason, then perhaps imprisonment and counseling could fix the murderer. No such actions can fix a rapist. They are broken beyond repair. They are a danger. They are not human. They deserve to die.

So when it comes down to it, you'll pull the trigger? You'll look that "human animal" in the eye and take his life in cold blood?

 

[ExaltedK9]

Glad to see the forum is not jumping to conclusions here. /sarcasm

For all we know that dog was rabid and had killed a child in the neighborhood.

oh to hell with that....and for all you know some asshole left that frightened dog chained to the back of a pick up and the bastard cops shot the poor thing before trying some other more sound means

For all I know the dog was the nicest animal in the world and that cop just felt like shooting it.

What's your point?

Objective, people - stay it.

I know how unbendingly "lawful" you are, but you can't say that the cops had no other alternative. Everything points to this dog being victimized, and non-aggressive.

I was attacked by a german shepard when I was in the third grade (and I was happy to see him put down too), so it carries weight when I say that the cops should not have shot the dog in this situation.

In conclusion: I have a differing opinion from yours.
Please don't kill me.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

You doubt it, you don't know it.

A 6 minute (silent) clip posted by a user in support of people who fight animal cruelty (a noble cause admittedly), with no context given, in the middle of a street in broad daylight - with several officers around.

It's not exactly convincing me yet. Don't get me wrong, I don't want the animal shot and I'd much rather it hadn't been, but forgive me for not simply assuming that a group of police officers are so vindictive as to kill a harmless animal.

Exactly.

Assumptions based on internet comments? No thank you.

It's like you're assuming that just because he's a serial rapist automatically makes it ok to murder him...

Rapists deserve to be murdered. They forfeit their right to life.

And with that said, I'm glad you do not nor shall ever have any sort of authority or commanding power.

No law can be arbitrary, no sentence should be greater than the crime committed, no one man should dictate when and how another man's life comes to an end. Clamor for the willful and unnecessary death of a man and you're no better than the criminal.

Almost every sentence is greater than the crime committed. If we're going to argue it from a certain angle, you could say that even a years jail time is "greater" than the crime of rape, because in that time a person may be raped in prison, and will have lost much more of their life than the victim of the rape lost.

However, sentences are greater than the crimes. There's a reason for that. If you don't have a much stricter sentence than the crime committed, then there is no incentive to not commit the crime. If I know that if I steal $10,000, I will only be fined $10,000, I will most likely steal the money. I have nothing to lose from it, if I'm caught I'm back to where I started, and I have $10,000 to gain from it if I'm not caught. A sentence that is equal to or lighter than a crime is useless.

Of, and it is not unnecessary to kill a rapist. In many cases, it can be unnecessary to kill a murderer- if it was a crime of passion or a crime committed for a specific reason, then perhaps imprisonment and counseling could fix the murderer. No such actions can fix a rapist. They are broken beyond repair. They are a danger. They are not human. They deserve to die.

So when it comes down to it, you'll pull the trigger? You'll look that "human animal" in the eye and take his life in cold blood?

Yes. Then I'll have a cup of hot chocolate and sleep like a baby.

 

[Kortney]

However, sentences are greater than the crimes. There's a reason for that. If you don't have a much stricter sentence than the crime committed, then there is no incentive to not commit the crime. If I know that if I steal $10,000, I will only be fined $10,000, I will most likely steal the money. I have nothing to lose from it, if I'm caught I'm back to where I started, and I have $10,000 to gain from it if I'm not caught. A sentence that is equal to or lighter than a crime is useless.

I see what you are saying and I do agree partially but study after study has indicated that severe punishments seldom do anything in the way of reducing crime. But yeah, I agree the punishment generally is worse than the crime.

perhaps imprisonment and counseling could fix the murderer. No such actions can fix a rapist. They are broken beyond repair. They are a danger. They are not human. They deserve to die.

Bullshit. You have no fucking idea about who can be rehabilitated and who can not. Many, many, many variables are involved in the process of rehabilitation and you have no right to say who is able and who is unable to be rehabilitated. Just because someone commits an awful crime does not give you the right to act like you know how they tick.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

However, sentences are greater than the crimes. There's a reason for that. If you don't have a much stricter sentence than the crime committed, then there is no incentive to not commit the crime. If I know that if I steal $10,000, I will only be fined $10,000, I will most likely steal the money. I have nothing to lose from it, if I'm caught I'm back to where I started, and I have $10,000 to gain from it if I'm not caught. A sentence that is equal to or lighter than a crime is useless.

I see what you are saying and I do agree partially but study after study has indicated that severe punishments seldom do anything in the way of reducing crime. But yeah, I agree the punishment generally is worse than the crime.

perhaps imprisonment and counseling could fix the murderer. No such actions can fix a rapist. They are broken beyond repair. They are a danger. They are not human. They deserve to die.

Bullshit. You have no fucking idea about who can be rehabilitated and who can not. Many, many, many variables are involved in the process of rehabilitation and you have no right to say who is able and who is unable to be rehabilitated. Just because someone commits an awful crime does not give you the right to act like you know how they tick.

Someone who commits a rape does not have concern for others, or control over themselves. It is damn near impossible to rehabilitate somebody with those traits. Perhaps it is possible for some, but it is in few enough cases that it is worth it as a society to allow rapists to suffer death for their actions so that they will not have a chance to rape again.

Now, as the current death penalty system works, we might as well just be confining people to life imprisonment. It takes that long anyway. For the death penalty to be truly effective, it would need to be reworked. If it were made effective, it would be the best choice for rapists though.

 

[Saltyk]

Hate to burst your bubble here, but the dog pound is not a magic place made of butterflies and roses.
Most strays are killed anyway.

The police definitely had a reason we don't know about and can't infer from the video for killing the dog. Discharging your weapon for any reason as a police officer is a BIG DEAL, and it's not something that most would do on a whim.

My parents have horses. Not too long ago, they noticed a goat was being very aggressive, not just towards their horses, but a neighbors as well. They happened to observe the goat chasing the horses a lot. The horse would go to eat, and the goat would attack them causing the horse to run off, and then the goat would eat the horse's food. A horse would lie down to sleep and the goat would ram it. Once, they observed the goat harassing the neighbor's horses for an extended period of time. Once the horses would get away, they would lie down to roll in the dirt, to cool off, and the goat would ram them. It seemed to be doing this for fun.
My mom referred to it as the demon-goat.

Now, I know you're wondering how a goat could bully 1200 pound horses, but keep in mind the goat kept attacking when the horses were off guard. And those horns would hurt. Over an extended period of time, the horses were probably afraid of the pain and didn't really think about the size difference. Besides horses are prey animals. Fighting is a last resort. Though, they do really hate snakes. Have actually know horses to go out of their way to kill snakes.

So, my parents called the police out. They showed the officer the goat and how it behaved, even getting some feed to show the officer exactly how the goat would act. First, the officer went to the goat's owner. He didn't answer. He doesn't like police. So, the officer asked his supervisor if he could shoot the goat. His boss said no. In the end, the police finally got in touch with the owner, who came out and killed his own goat. Yeah, that guy is a real piece of work.

My whole point was two fold. One, we don't know the circumstances. People keep talking about rabid dogs, but that's not as big a fear as dogs that have gotten the taste for blood. Dogs that have killed other people's pets and learned that they are easy to catch and tasty. Two, like you said, the police don't discharge their weapon lightly. The officer in my story even wanted to, but wasn't allowed. There's a decent chance that these officers were told to eliminate a dangerous dog that was a menace. I don't know for sure, and the video is somewhat disturbing, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions.

 

[Kortney]

Someone who commits a rape does not have concern for others, or control over themselves.

You're kidding me, right?

Most crimes involve a lack of concern for others. Most crimes involve a lack of control.

Explain to me how a murderer has concern for others?

Explain to me how a white collar criminal has concern for others?

Why is it that they can be rehabilitated, yet not a rapist? All crimes are influenced by urges, yet because the urge involved with rape is sexual that means they can't be rehabilitated? What rot.

It is damn near impossible to rehabilitate somebody with those traits. Perhaps it is possible for some, but it is in few enough cases that it is worth it as a society to allow rapists to suffer death for their actions so that they will not have a chance to rape again.

More and more of the demonisation of rapists. It's interesting how in a previous post you called them "not human". You know why they are seen that way? Because of people like you who demonise them. Guess what, and I know you don't like admitting this because it's scary, but many rapists are virtually the same as you and me. Some are only that way because they have had an awful background. Some are only that way because they have a mental illness that requires medication. And you want to kill people like that?

Heh. Some rapists aren't that violent.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Someone who commits a rape does not have concern for others, or control over themselves.

You're kidding me, right?

Most crimes involve a lack of concern for others. Most crimes involve a lack of control.

Explain to me how a murderer has concern for others?

Explain to me how a white collar criminal has concern for others?

Why is it that they can be rehabilitated, yet not a rapist? All crimes are influenced by urges, yet because the urge involved with rape is sexual that means they can't be rehabilitated? What rot.

It is damn near impossible to rehabilitate somebody with those traits. Perhaps it is possible for some, but it is in few enough cases that it is worth it as a society to allow rapists to suffer death for their actions so that they will not have a chance to rape again.

More and more of the demonisation of rapists. It's interesting how in a previous post you called them "not human". You know why they are seen that way? Because of people like you who demonise them. Guess what, and I know you don't like admitting this because it's scary, but many rapists are virtually the same as you and me. Some are only that way because they have had an awful background. Some are only that way because they have a mental illness that requires medication. And you want to kill people like that?

Heh. Some rapists aren't that violent.

The point I want to hit on the most is your statement at the end that some rapists aren't as violent as me, as it brings up a point I'd like to make. I do have my own psychological problems. I do occasionally have violent tendencies (and at other times I'm more likely to sit in a corner and hope nobody comes near). However, I restrain those tendencies. If I ever fail to, and I act in a way to harm others without regard, I hope I am given what is my due.

As for the idea of many rapists being so because of what they went through, that is unfortunate. However, they're still dangerous. I will admit that those who have a chemical imbalance that can be cured easily with medication probably actually can be cured though.

 

[GenericAmerican]

A dog was shot...and? I have done that. The only problem I might find is the officer didn't kill it in one shot, it sat there for several seconds before he actually killed it.

I think everyone is overreacting.

 

[Kortney]

The point I want to hit on the most is your statement at the end that some rapists aren't as violent as me, as it brings up a point I'd like to make. I do have my own psychological problems. I do occasionally have violent tendencies (and at other times I'm more likely to sit in a corner and hope nobody comes near). However, I restrain those tendencies. If I ever fail to, and I act in a way to harm others without regard, I hope I am given what is my due.

What if you were abused as a child? What if you were born into a violent household? What if your brain was just that more prone to outbursts and confusion?

You see my point now. You can't put yourself on a platform above these people. None of us can. They are human beings who have either made mistakes or have had mistakes made for them. You can't condemn someone for that so willingly.

As for the idea of many rapists being so because of what they went through, that is unfortunate. However, they're still dangerous. I will admit that those who have a chemical imbalance that can be cured easily with medication probably actually can be cured though.

Maybe the reason they are so dangerous is because of the mentality of our culture that demonises them.

But hey, that's just my theory. We as a society don't help this situation at all. In fact, we make it worse.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

The point I want to hit on the most is your statement at the end that some rapists aren't as violent as me, as it brings up a point I'd like to make. I do have my own psychological problems. I do occasionally have violent tendencies (and at other times I'm more likely to sit in a corner and hope nobody comes near). However, I restrain those tendencies. If I ever fail to, and I act in a way to harm others without regard, I hope I am given what is my due.

What if you were abused as a child? What if you were born into a violent household? What if your brain was just that more prone to outbursts and confusion?

You see my point now. You can't put yourself on a platform above these people. None of us can. They are human beings who have either made mistakes or have had mistakes made for them. You can't condemn someone for that so willingly.

I was born into a violent household. I myself wasn't particularly abused, but I've seen my mom abused. At no time in my life have I been certain of my situation for more than a few weeks.

We are born on an equal plane. I am not on a platform above rapists, they are simply in a hole below me that they have dug themselves into by their own actions. I am not the one that has elevated myself, they are the ones who have lowered themselves.

As for the idea of many rapists being so because of what they went through, that is unfortunate. However, they're still dangerous. I will admit that those who have a chemical imbalance that can be cured easily with medication probably actually can be cured though.

Maybe the reason they are so dangerous is because of the mentality of our culture that demonises them.

But hey, that's just my theory. We as a society don't help this situation at all. In fact, we make it worse.

Rapists are not made dangerous because we demonize them, because if somebody is effected by our demonisation of rapists, they are themselves already a rapist and therefore already dangerous.

 

[AWDMANOUT]

I think I created a forum like this once before, about some police coming into a guy's home and shooting his dog.

Sad.

But well, stuff happens.

 

[cairocat]

I'm thinking taser, just saying.