Eve Online good or bad?

[Arachon]

These threads are utterly pointless... They boil down to two sides trying to "prove" to eachother that they're right...

I mean, point taken, alot of people here thinks that EVE is bad, I don't, so don't try to "prove" to me that EVE is bad, and the same way around, since you've already decided that EVE is bad, I don't have to "prove" to you that it's good.

The only way to find out if it's "bad" or "good" is to play it for yourself, see what YOU think, "bad" and "good" is nothing strict, set in stone, it's a matter of your own personal preference, and I find it difficult to believe that someone else is deciding what you like and what you don't like.

 

[Theo Samaritan]

actually alpha isnt a stretch. Alpha 7 was very public. (i got lucky and was selected for alpha 6 iirc which was probably in 2002 or so)

My mistake, I thought you were referring to the early alpha's. I can admit when I am wrong =)

 

[n3w2nj]

actually alpha isnt a stretch. Alpha 7 was very public. (i got lucky and was selected for alpha 6 iirc which was probably in 2002 or so)

My mistake, I thought you were referring to the early alpha's. I can admit when I am wrong =)

as should anyone or face ganking by my autocannons!!!!

happens i guess.

These threads are utterly pointless... They boil down to two sides trying to "prove" to eachother that they're right...

I mean, point taken, alot of people here thinks that EVE is bad, I don't, so don't try to "prove" to me that EVE is bad, and the same way around, since you've already decided that EVE is bad, I don't have to "prove" to you that it's good.

The only way to find out if it's "bad" or "good" is to play it for yourself, see what YOU think, "bad" and "good" is nothing strict, set in stone, it's a matter of your own personal preference, and I find it difficult to believe that someone else is deciding what you like and what you don't like.

as it goes in any "is this good for me?" type threads.

only one way to really find out as you said - try it out for yourself and make up your own mind rather than following everyone else =)

 

[smallharmlesskitten]

I feel the pangs of withdrawal from EVE. I wont be able to play til the third

 

[honeymonster]

I was considering going back to EVE what with the new update but through creating this topic I've found myself put off the idea as I found myself just thinking about the parts of it I enjoyed rather than the ballbreaking parts and yes it does fall down to , two sides arguing for the team but it makes for an interesting read and a good conversation about what makes somthing enjoyable and what dosn't.

 

[Robert0288]

So what if you've been granted a massive power base 4 weeks into joining a corp? You're a 4 1/2 year veteran of the game who has amassed incredible resources and reputation. Of course you'd be a guy people could trust with that - you're one of the least likely to rip them off, and one of the few knowledgeable enough about the game to coordinate a fleet.

heh I wish, 3 days ago I'm completly broke and didn't even have enough for a new clone or ship. Just b/c I'm a 4 year vet doesn't mean I've been playing 4 years straight (all time together more like 2) The FC just asked if there was anyone who wanted to take over, and I volunteered and stepped up, I had no previous experiance doing anything with more than 10 people. Infact you can probably easily con your way into a high position within a couple weeks by just having a firm grasp on game mechanics.

tbh it sounds like you've more than already made up your opionion, while I'm sorry you didn't appriciate it like I do, thats your choice.

 

[DanDanikov]

I applaud EVE for breaking ranks and trying out a new levelling system. However, it turns out it's horrendously, horrendously bad. Instead of penalising those who don't have all day to play, you penalise everyone who didn't buy the game on day one. Or day two. Or practically every day before today. That'd be less of a problem if the skill/level cap was attainable in a short time, like WoW, or even a moderate time, say six months, but there is no cap. No matter where you are on the curve, you'll always be behind attentive players when it comes down to stats.

I never played EVE properly. I simply signed up with a mining guild and it became a no-brainer background activity while I chatted to friends and browsed various websites. The only times I really enjoyed the game was when I strapped myself into a cheap ship and explored all the interesting spacial phenomena out there. EVE truly is a pretty game. The music is damn good too.

 

[geldonyetich]

I'm really not trying to say that EVE Online is a terrible game when I say that it's very daunting for new players for whom it can seem like it will be impossible to catch up to the veterans. That the people who disagree with me have been playing for at least 4 years suggests to me that they just don't have the perspective to understand that this really is a problem.

There's also a fundamental misunderstanding that they seem to think I'm talking about "competing" in terms of "blow up their ship in PvP" - I'm not. I actually mean in terms of catching up in a wider perspective than that. Getting a similar skill, economic, and reputation base. I might be able to blow up your ship, but I'll never be able to "catch up" in a broader term.

• [li]In the typical MMORPG, there's a maximum level, and you can get there quickly if you use some effective leveling strategies - at that point, the playing ground is relatively even, with only itemization (possession of rare gear) causing tension between the old player and new.[/li]
  [li]In EVE Online, there is no maximum level, and even with the most effective leveling strategy you're up against a hard-coded time you must wait for your character to gain skills. The giant economy also creates an unbalanced field in terms of itemization at an even greater scale than other MMORPGs.[/li]

I wasn't saying this just to rip on EVE Online. The question was, "Why can people not get into EVE Online?" Well, here's one answer.

It's very discouraging to look at players ahead of you and know that, no matter what, you'll have to wait years to have the same skills and economic base their characters do. You may be able to catch up with them in some ways, but you'll not be able to catch up with them in a universal sense.

It does not help that if you look at the average newbie starbase, there you have the veterans buying things from the newbies because the veterans can make a massive profit using skills and ISK the newbies won't have for years. Because of the ability to exploit newbie labor like this, it's impossible to ever really catch up.

 

[JWAN]

drawn out and boring.

if you like being bored and paying money for it, go get Eve

 

[neoman10]

god not another one of these

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! IT IS NOT! 2 hours of zipping around and trying to figure how to shoot and they keep things so many things from you in the trail that are supposed to be main parts of the gameplay!

sorry about that, maybe got a bit carried away

 

[smallharmlesskitten]

I am now physically sick at the stupidity of some of the forum members hating EVE for minor reasons. It is ALWAYS possible to catch up. It is shown to you im the tutorial How to do basic things that will make you ISK. not millions in an hour but enough to supply your ships. If you think EVE sucks because of the learning curve, trial limitations (all the limitations I encountered Wouldnt be able to be used anyway in the first month let alone 14 days), or because they played it for 15 minutes I have one message. GO BACK TO WOW. Your attitude will insure you will not progress far.And Geldon. what im the name of christ are you smoking? You can obviously see that you are being exploited but you are making the 'problem' worse than it can be by staying im systems where this happens. You do not need to catch ur right away. If you think that being a pilot im a mothership with billions me ISK is the be all and end all of EVE you must be an idiot. Not every player needs to be a system ruler.

 

[smallharmlesskitten]

I would also like to point out that players used to start with a very low amount of skillpoints. new players start with 800k.... this is a huge trainin difference when compared to the 250k of old

 

[honeymonster]

I would also like to point out that players used to start with a very low amount of skillpoints. new players start with 800k.... this is a huge trainin difference when compared to the 250k of old

This might be a big increase but its still impossible to catch up with the players who have between 10-20 mill skill points its been a while since I played so It could be even more than that so 550k extra when you start really isn't that big of a deal if you look at it in that perspective you still can't catch up. Making isk is a big part of it but if you have all this Isk and not enough skill points to spend it on somthing decent and then be able to pilot somthing well whats the point in it all.

 

[Theo Samaritan]

If half the things I've heard about EVE are true, then I would probably never touch it. I've actually had the opprotunity to talk to EVE players and the game seems extremly brutal and anti-casual. For example, one guy told me it takes umpteen million credits to build a working ship. If it's destroyed in combat, everything you worked for is gone. You can insure your ship, but according to the guy this only covers the bare-bones of the ship. All the upgrades are gone forever along with the money required to buy and install them. He also told me that most skills take up to 21 days of real time to train. 21 freaking days!

I did not read the entire thread. So please correct me if I'm mistaken.

No you are pretty close to correct.

 

[smallharmlesskitten]

The high level skills yes.

 

[smallharmlesskitten]

Honeymonster. Did you not read the the whole thread? Tell me what catching up is in your opinion. Skillbase catching up... You can play with the big boys im less than 6 months. ISK wise... when you start out it should only cost you 2 million or less to buy and equip a ship.
I hate fatalistic attitudes.

 

[hippieshopper]

There has never been such as a thing as a "good MMORPG"

I agree

A good MMO is only an opinion, exactly like what everyone is talking about, you can say what you want and try to back it with your 'facts' but the truth is, it's still what you think, and some of the things that you may hate about the game are probably things that someone else loves. I liked EVE and I still would play it if college wasn't so expensive, I personally despise WoW, and I could give tons of reasons why but it's still my opinion.

I would say just try it, if you like it...cool
If you don't, go play something else.

I applaud EVE for breaking ranks and trying out a new levelling system. However, it turns out it's horrendously, horrendously bad. Instead of penalising those who don't have all day to play, you penalise everyone who didn't buy the game on day one. Or day two. Or practically every day before today. That'd be less of a problem if the skill/level cap was attainable in a short time, like WoW, or even a moderate time, say six months, but there is no cap. No matter where you are on the curve, you'll always be behind attentive players when it comes down to stats.

I never played EVE properly. I simply signed up with a mining guild and it became a no-brainer background activity while I chatted to friends and browsed various websites. The only times I really enjoyed the game was when I strapped myself into a cheap ship and explored all the interesting spacial phenomena out there. EVE truly is a pretty game. The music is damn good too.

There is a level cap...
When you learn all of the skills
Which by the way is about 3 years if I remember correctly.

 

[geldonyetich]

I hate fatalistic attitudes.

I am now physically sick at the stupidity of some of the forum members hating EVE for minor reasons. [...] And Geldon. what im the name of christ are you smoking? [...] Not every player needs to be a system ruler.

So you're saying I can't be a system ruler, no matter how good of a player I might be, but I have a fatalistic, mysterious-substance-smoking, nausea-inducing attitude to point out the truth of this?

GO BACK TO WOW.

Yeah, I didn't react real well to that one the last time an idiot said it to me on this thread, I'm not going to praise you for doing it again here.

I'm not the kind of MMORPG newbie who can really appreciate WOW. I'm burned out enough from Everquest clones to known what's wrong with it. I like how EVE Online changes things from WOW by not requiring me to grind in order to gain skill.

However, I clarified enough on this thread that EVE Online has a fundamental balance problem. If you don't understand what I meant about this, go back and try again. So far, you've done nothing but indicate that your nickname reflects your attention span towards reading.