Feds bust 72 users of a child porn forum.

[robot slipper]

Unfortunately, aren't child molesters separated from the "general" population in American prisons? I think they should just be thrown into the mix and let the stabbing experts deal with them, they would be doing society a favour. A child molester is never going to stop wanting to molest children, thats why I like to see that they are being given a long sentance and therefore removed from society (where they pose a constant threat).

That's worse than the death penalty. The idea of prison is to remove them, not throw them to wolves and claim that the wolves are there by coincidence.

Yes, I see what you're saying. I guess what I'm trying to say is that they have shown no mercy to their victims - who are some of the most vulnerable members of society (children), so why should we (society) go out of our way to give them any protection? Then I guess that makes us bad for going down the whole stooping-to-their-level/eye-for-an-eye route... I mean I'm all for human rights, but when it comes to people who torture and rape children, I can't really muster up any sympathy or compassion or want to protect them. If that makes me inhumane, then fine, pass me a big old Inhumane Hat.

I'm just sick of seeing cases in the UK where child sex offenders get out of prison after a couple of years and then go on to re-offend. It boggles the mind how short some of the sentences are here, so well done to the US legal system for the long sentencing.

 

[Nikokvaj]

Unfortunately, aren't child molesters separated from the "general" population in American prisons? I think they should just be thrown into the mix and let the stabbing experts deal with them, they would be doing society a favour. A child molester is never going to stop wanting to molest children, thats why I like to see that they are being given a long sentance and therefore removed from society (where they pose a constant threat).

That's worse than the death penalty. The idea of prison is to remove them, not throw them to wolves and claim that the wolves are there by coincidence.

Yes, I see what you're saying. I guess what I'm trying to say is that they have shown no mercy to their victims - who are some of the most vulnerable members of society (children), so why should we (society) go out of our way to give them any protection? Then I guess that makes us bad for going down the whole stooping-to-their-level/eye-for-an-eye route... I mean I'm all for human rights, but when it comes to people who torture and rape children, I can't really muster up any sympathy or compassion or want to protect them. If that makes me inhumane, then fine, pass me a big old Inhumane Hat.

I'm just sick of seeing cases in the UK where child sex offenders get out of prison after a couple of years and then go on to re-offend. It boggles the mind how short some of the sentences are here, so well done to the US legal system for the long sentencing.

Because otherwise we, as a society, are no better than them?

 

[Nikokvaj]

Lmoa. This thread is pretty amusing. Everyones bleeting "HURR DURR GET DA PEDOS!" and missing a crucial point.


Why not concentrate on catching people who make the product, as opposed to chasing down watchers?

double post. but yeah, that won't work because the people who watch some of them will most likely become product makers. If they enjoy watching it so much and they get the chance to do it in real life, my money is on that they will do it. so um yeah what the crucial point?

And you have some scientific basis for claiming this?

of course without science its not true! how about an example, if i like to watch say high school musical or glee. Also i become a good movie producer by say making movie that i saw at a young age. its kinda like doing what you see on tv or even better, if one of these men say i can't find any kiddie porn and well i babysit my 9 year old niece alot, while her parents are away for about 2 days. in short, pedo will always look for a way to get what they want, if you take away a producer another will pop up, and they are mostly people who use to watch it.

Meh, I'd be more convinced by a study

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Spoiler: My reaction

Simply put, I hope these 72 rot in jail. What they did cannot be excused. At all.

EDIT:

I can't believe how many sadistic fucks populate these forums. Six pages of people spouting unrelenting hatred downright bordering on antisocial personality disorder. I understand that what some of those people did was disgusting but at the very least attempt to convey your point in a way that shows you're a goddamn fucking human being.

What if they do have said mental disorder? Shouldn't you be jumping to their defense? They can't help it! *Eyeroll* DERPFACE.JPEG

 

[DexterNorgam]

Exactly who did these people harm?

The children that were in the porn that?s who.

Did they have any involvement in making the porno?

If not, the only emotion I'm getting from this is that it must be terrible living life in a society so repressed that it won't even allow you to harmlessly satisfy your urges without getting thrown in jail.

Saying pedophilia is a something people should repress and not act out on is like saying the same thing about homosexuality, it's uneducated and it only leads to grave unhappiness in the people suffering from it.

If we allowed these people to act out their impulses in the least harmful way imaginable without judging them, not only would that make them lead a better life, it would also mean their urges would be satisfied and they wouldn't do something worse to actual children.

The idea of victimless crimes has never served society in any way, all it's ever lead to is a black market where the people involved are suffering far worse fates because it's out of the public's eye.

You couldn't be more wrong. Rejecting pedophilia as wrong and harmful to society isn't repression, its preservation of society.

You're comparing pedophilia to homosexuality?? really? Apples and oranges isn't even in it for that comparison. Also you seem to be saying that people "suffer" from homosexuality, and while I'm straight I bet many homosexuals would beg to differ that.

Heh, i'm pretty new around here...is this type of "reasoning" common on this forum? I didn't expect to see anyone defending pedophilia on a gaming website.

I'm comparing them in the way that you can't choose what turns you on, and just as homosexuals have acquired a taste for their own gender, as have paedophiles acquired a taste for small children. It's not pretty to think about but the pragmatic thing to do would be to find a way for them to live out their urges without harming anyone.

Instead people just straight out lynch them and call for lethal injections. The comparisson with homosexuality is even more valid for that reason, since homosexuals still receive the same treatment in many parts of the world.

Incorrect. Nobody "acquires" sexual "tastes". (you mean orientation) You're born with em hard wired. And while I'm glad that society is working to become more accepting of those who are attracted to adults of the same sex. I roundly reject that the same acceptance should be extended to those who are attracted to children. Its not acceptable.

People call for the injections because there's no fixing these defective people. Yea, that's not pragmatic, but its the hard truth. If you are unfortunate enough to be so defective that youre attracted to children, then your life should pretty much suck. You should be tormented by urges that you can NEVER EVER indulge. Because honestly I care less about protecting the quality of life of a defective pervert than protecting the innocence of a child.

 

[AzureRaven]

My godfather turned out to be a person like this. He actually IS a registered sex offender. which tore me up because he was like a big brother to me as a kid. And you know, I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for these people. They have problems. I'm glad they got locked up. I've seen the damage it causes to the kids. It's NOT pretty. If preventing them from ruining another life means locking them up for ages, then I support it 100%.

 

[DexterNorgam]

I can't believe how many sadistic fucks populate these forums. Six pages of people spouting unrelenting hatred downright bordering on antisocial personality disorder. I understand that what some of those people did was disgusting but at the very least attempt to convey your point in a way that shows you're a goddamn fucking human being.

lol, way to keep it classy while berating others for not keeping it classy.

 

[robot slipper]

Unfortunately, aren't child molesters separated from the "general" population in American prisons? I think they should just be thrown into the mix and let the stabbing experts deal with them, they would be doing society a favour. A child molester is never going to stop wanting to molest children, thats why I like to see that they are being given a long sentance and therefore removed from society (where they pose a constant threat).

That's worse than the death penalty. The idea of prison is to remove them, not throw them to wolves and claim that the wolves are there by coincidence.

Yes, I see what you're saying. I guess what I'm trying to say is that they have shown no mercy to their victims - who are some of the most vulnerable members of society (children), so why should we (society) go out of our way to give them any protection? Then I guess that makes us bad for going down the whole stooping-to-their-level/eye-for-an-eye route... I mean I'm all for human rights, but when it comes to people who torture and rape children, I can't really muster up any sympathy or compassion or want to protect them. If that makes me inhumane, then fine, pass me a big old Inhumane Hat.

I'm just sick of seeing cases in the UK where child sex offenders get out of prison after a couple of years and then go on to re-offend. It boggles the mind how short some of the sentences are here, so well done to the US legal system for the long sentencing.

Because otherwise we, as a society, are no better than them?

Yes, I mentioned that about halfway through my post. I would like to consider myself to be a better person than a child rapist, but then again I don't really feel compelled to protect someone who has shown no compassion to an innocent child. Therein lies the moral dilema.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

I can't believe how many sadistic fucks populate these forums. Six pages of people spouting unrelenting hatred downright bordering on antisocial personality disorder. I understand that what some of those people did was disgusting but at the very least attempt to convey your point in a way that shows you're a goddamn fucking human being.

lol, way to keep it classy while berating others for not keeping it classy.

Yeah I guess I shouldn't have called them sadistic fucks. Still, to convey your emotions with such rage and hatred and advocating that acts of unrelenting cruelty be performed upon another human being is just plain disgusting, at least to me. It's one thing to say that the pedohpiles should be punished and it is an entirely different thing to say that they should have their balls cut out and their eyes gouged out of their sockets.

 

[kidd25]

Lmoa. This thread is pretty amusing. Everyones bleeting "HURR DURR GET DA PEDOS!" and missing a crucial point.


Why not concentrate on catching people who make the product, as opposed to chasing down watchers?

double post. but yeah, that won't work because the people who watch some of them will most likely become product makers. If they enjoy watching it so much and they get the chance to do it in real life, my money is on that they will do it. so um yeah what the crucial point?

And you have some scientific basis for claiming this?

of course without science its not true! how about an example, if i like to watch say high school musical or glee. Also i become a good movie producer by say making movie that i saw at a young age. its kinda like doing what you see on tv or even better, if one of these men say i can't find any kiddie porn and well i babysit my 9 year old niece alot, while her parents are away for about 2 days. in short, pedo will always look for a way to get what they want, if you take away a producer another will pop up, and they are mostly people who use to watch it.

Meh, I'd be more convinced by a study

sorry, i do get a little angry when people only and i mean only believe something if get a source. but yeah, its start at one point then expands.

 

[Mjolnir36]

Good job feds that's why we pay you, keep up the good work!

 

[tigermilk]

And now a bunch of prison guards have to protect them from EVERYONE else. Sucks for said prison guards.

Still, I'm really happy to hear about this! Good job JUSTICE!

To be fair the prison guards may protect them 'badly'. Sounds like a pretty good job to me!

 

[DexterNorgam]

Well, that's 72 symptoms of the problem locked up, but somehow I don't see this kind of public hate leading to any long-term solution.

Heh, you mean 72 problems. Each one of those people were defective. Care to enlighten us on some greater long term solution? Because I for one don't believe that people like that can be fixed.

Not too much offense intended here, but I for one think it's people like you who are the problem.

We can be pretty sure here of two things:
-We don't want to accept paedophilia as we're slowly starting to accept homosexuality - this is not a case of two consenting adults.
-At this point it's rather naive to assume that a national campaign of tv spots saying "having sex with kids is baaaaaaad" will suddenly stop it from happening.

So what we get is a massive stigma on something individuals have very little to no personal control over. A stigma which both is happily persecuting people for failing to excercise massive amounts of self-control, and making it extremely hard for these same people to find medical and psychological help while being able to lead a normal life.

Don't get me wrong here - I don't expect every one of them to willingly cooperate even if they were given the chance, but right now, due to sentiments of people like you, they would be outcasts the moment they seek help - whether they've done anything or not.

And that is the actual problem. You'll still have to persecute people who'd rather make somebody else suffer than to fix their own problem, but at least don't do so while at the same time denying everyone with these inclinations a better way out.

We are going to have to agree to disagree.

You operate on the notion that there IS a better way out. There really just isnt. If you have these inclinations, life is going to suck for you. I can't make it better. It sucks to be you if you are sexually attracted to children, because its purely and completely unacceptable. I fully expect that if you have those urges that you damn well better show superhuman restraint or you will fully deserve everything you have coming your way.

 

[Nikokvaj]

Exactly who did these people harm?

The children that were in the porn that?s who.

Did they have any involvement in making the porno?

If not, the only emotion I'm getting from this is that it must be terrible living life in a society so repressed that it won't even allow you to harmlessly satisfy your urges without getting thrown in jail.

Saying pedophilia is a something people should repress and not act out on is like saying the same thing about homosexuality, it's uneducated and it only leads to grave unhappiness in the people suffering from it.

If we allowed these people to act out their impulses in the least harmful way imaginable without judging them, not only would that make them lead a better life, it would also mean their urges would be satisfied and they wouldn't do something worse to actual children.

The idea of victimless crimes has never served society in any way, all it's ever lead to is a black market where the people involved are suffering far worse fates because it's out of the public's eye.

You couldn't be more wrong. Rejecting pedophilia as wrong and harmful to society isn't repression, its preservation of society.

You're comparing pedophilia to homosexuality?? really? Apples and oranges isn't even in it for that comparison. Also you seem to be saying that people "suffer" from homosexuality, and while I'm straight I bet many homosexuals would beg to differ that.

Heh, i'm pretty new around here...is this type of "reasoning" common on this forum? I didn't expect to see anyone defending pedophilia on a gaming website.

I'm comparing them in the way that you can't choose what turns you on, and just as homosexuals have acquired a taste for their own gender, as have paedophiles acquired a taste for small children. It's not pretty to think about but the pragmatic thing to do would be to find a way for them to live out their urges without harming anyone.

Instead people just straight out lynch them and call for lethal injections. The comparisson with homosexuality is even more valid for that reason, since homosexuals still receive the same treatment in many parts of the world.

Incorrect. Nobody "acquires" sexual "tastes". (you mean orientation) You're born with em hard wired. And while I'm glad that society is working to become more accepting of those who are attracted to adults of the same sex. I roundly reject that the same acceptance should be extended to those who are attracted to children. Its not acceptable.

People call for the injections because there's no fixing these defective people. Yea, that's not pragmatic, but its the hard truth. If you are unfortunate enough to be so defective that youre attracted to children, then your life should pretty much suck. You should be tormented by urges that you can NEVER EVER indulge. Because honestly I care less about protecting the quality of life of a defective pervert than protecting the innocence of a child.

How lonely it must be on that pedestal of yours, I doubt anyone could ever get up there to share your black and white tunnel vision view of the world.

It's our responsibility as a society to do anything we can to help these people, and there are plenty of ways I can think of right off the bat. Hentai for one, or maybe we should supply psychiatrist with floppy discs filled with child pornography that has in some way been deemed as no longer legitimizing an illegal industry. Medical CP if you will.

It sounds far out, but that's the problem with victimless crimes. There's no sane way around them because the laws behind them are insane to begin with.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Yes, I mentioned that about halfway through my post. I would like to consider myself to be a better person than a child rapist, but then again I don't really feel compelled to protect someone who has shown no compassion to an innocent child. Therein lies the moral dilema.

An individual showed no compassion towards another individual and then another individual showed no compassion towards that individual. In this case, both the children and you are individuals. What's the difference? There is none.

I'm not saying you should show compassion if you can't, I'm saying you should at the very least recognize the fact that these people have a mental illness that needs to be treated.

If this is a double post, I apologize.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

I can't believe how many sadistic fucks populate these forums. Six pages of people spouting unrelenting hatred downright bordering on antisocial personality disorder. I understand that what some of those people did was disgusting but at the very least attempt to convey your point in a way that shows you're a goddamn fucking human being.

lol, way to keep it classy while berating others for not keeping it classy.

Yeah I guess I shouldn't have called them sadistic fucks. Still, to convey your emotions with such rage and hatred and advocating that acts of unrelenting cruelty be performed upon another human being is just plain disgusting, at least to me. It's one thing to say that the pedohpiles should be punished and it is an entirely different thing to say that they should have their balls cut out and their eyes gouged out of their sockets.

This is the matter of CP.

You cannot expect people to keep level heads in this matter. At all. It offends nearly everyone on a moral and ethical level. It's one of those crimes they want to see someone hang for. And I can see some truth in that.

Also, I don't know how they can be "treated". I've always been told by GLBT people that conversion therapy or any atempt to change someone's orentation never works.

 

[David Demers]

this is just...
What the fuck?