Feminism: has it gone to far?
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I hate to say it but the hitting girls and being hit by girls thing is a really impossible situation for guys... i mean if somehow a woman wants to assault you (and it happens) what can you do? If you fight back your a woman beating monster. If you dont you have been beaten up by a girl and are designated "weak". I dont think iether of these things should be applied. I dont think its weak to be hit by a girl but hey, thats society. I know women dont enforce this but this is how it is. You cant win. Girls are untouchable. A girl can also yell at your or verbally barate you and responding in kind is seen as morally wrong.Serenegoose said:
In Sweden it have gone way too far, if there's 2 people, 1 guy , 1 girl, who searches for a a well paid and prestigeful job the girl gets the job even if she is not as competent as the guy no matter what.
It's called inkvotation in swedish, I tried to find a translation on it to english but it's probably a so obscure concept that it only exists in extremely politically correct Sweden.
It's called inkvotation in swedish, I tried to find a translation on it to english but it's probably a so obscure concept that it only exists in extremely politically correct Sweden.
Why does feminism and masculism even exist? Shouldn't there be just one organization involving both genders that try to combat inequalities on both sides?
Anyways, nowadays I do believe women are more privileged than men:
- Women constitute 60% of college degrees, due to special grants, organizations, full scholarships, women only loans, all of which discriminate in favor of women and against men.
(National Center for Education Statistics: http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d07/tables/dt07_258.asp)
-Men are only 40% of college students, and yet no men's resource centers exist on college campuses to help them with their educations, nor are there any men's scholarships or grants, like there are for women.
(National Center for Education Statistics: http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d08/ch_3.asp)
-Women are 70.7% of nonreciprocal domestic violence perpetrators; but, no shelters exist for battered men.
(American Psychiatric Association: http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/42/15/31.2.full)
-Women are 15% of the homeless, while men represent 85%; but, shelters refuse to take in men, if there is a woman, who needs that room.
(The United States Conference of Mayors:http://usmayors.org/HHSurvey2007/hhsurvey07.pdf)
-The federal government supports small businesses that are owned by women; but, it does not support small businesses that are owned by men.
(Department of Defense Office of Small Business Programs: http://www.acq.osd.mil/osbp/programs/wosb/index.htm)
-Women are near guaranteed alimony and child custody. As well as being given half, if not more, of the total posessions.
(I've heard it on the news and from other people whose parents were divorced. Custody was unanimously given to the mother with no specific reason cited at all whilst the father was forced to be a "weekend" dad. It happened to me as well, with the judge awarding custody to my mother citing absolutely no reason.)
-Men are more likely to die from every major cause of death, and yet no Office on Mens Health exists. Only a Office on Womens Health does.
(Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Center for Health Statistics: http://www.menshealthnetwork.org/library/TopCausesDeath2000.pdf)
-Males were purposely discluded in the Federal Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation Act of 1995.
(http://ftp.resource.org/gpo.gov/bills/104/h941ih.txt.pdf)
-Men are 80% of homicide victims, and yet no Violence Against Men Act exists. Only a Violence Against Women Act does.
(The Federal Bureau of Justice Statistics:http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/gender.cfm)
Anyways, nowadays I do believe women are more privileged than men:
- Women constitute 60% of college degrees, due to special grants, organizations, full scholarships, women only loans, all of which discriminate in favor of women and against men.
(National Center for Education Statistics: http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d07/tables/dt07_258.asp)
-Men are only 40% of college students, and yet no men's resource centers exist on college campuses to help them with their educations, nor are there any men's scholarships or grants, like there are for women.
(National Center for Education Statistics: http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d08/ch_3.asp)
-Women are 70.7% of nonreciprocal domestic violence perpetrators; but, no shelters exist for battered men.
(American Psychiatric Association: http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/42/15/31.2.full)
-Women are 15% of the homeless, while men represent 85%; but, shelters refuse to take in men, if there is a woman, who needs that room.
(The United States Conference of Mayors:http://usmayors.org/HHSurvey2007/hhsurvey07.pdf)
-The federal government supports small businesses that are owned by women; but, it does not support small businesses that are owned by men.
(Department of Defense Office of Small Business Programs: http://www.acq.osd.mil/osbp/programs/wosb/index.htm)
-Women are near guaranteed alimony and child custody. As well as being given half, if not more, of the total posessions.
(I've heard it on the news and from other people whose parents were divorced. Custody was unanimously given to the mother with no specific reason cited at all whilst the father was forced to be a "weekend" dad. It happened to me as well, with the judge awarding custody to my mother citing absolutely no reason.)
-Men are more likely to die from every major cause of death, and yet no Office on Mens Health exists. Only a Office on Womens Health does.
(Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Center for Health Statistics: http://www.menshealthnetwork.org/library/TopCausesDeath2000.pdf)
-Males were purposely discluded in the Federal Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation Act of 1995.
(http://ftp.resource.org/gpo.gov/bills/104/h941ih.txt.pdf)
-Men are 80% of homicide victims, and yet no Violence Against Men Act exists. Only a Violence Against Women Act does.
(The Federal Bureau of Justice Statistics:http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/gender.cfm)
I always hear the pay argument being thrown around whenever there's a discussion about feminism or female rights but I always wondered, where are the facts?Generic_Dave said:
i would actually say that feminism is dead
an actual feminist wants eaquality between both sexes (and speaking as a man) i think we should be eaqual and they are right to want that
however it seems that they arnt truely campaining for this anymore, most of it is purely sexists anti male propoganda, which tbh is hurting their cause more than anything else
and example is how women got the vote in Britain, originally the Suffragetts were doing more peaceful campaigns and were close to getting the vote, then they became violent and the government actually began to resent them, but during WW1 they were doing jobs which men were traditionally doing and this proved them to be eaqual and got them the vote
the morale of the story is that by acting eaqual they will seem eaqual, but being sexist is not only hypocritical but harming their own goals
an actual feminist wants eaquality between both sexes (and speaking as a man) i think we should be eaqual and they are right to want that
however it seems that they arnt truely campaining for this anymore, most of it is purely sexists anti male propoganda, which tbh is hurting their cause more than anything else
and example is how women got the vote in Britain, originally the Suffragetts were doing more peaceful campaigns and were close to getting the vote, then they became violent and the government actually began to resent them, but during WW1 they were doing jobs which men were traditionally doing and this proved them to be eaqual and got them the vote
the morale of the story is that by acting eaqual they will seem eaqual, but being sexist is not only hypocritical but harming their own goals
When you said 'English women are all Hitler' I nearly choked to death on a jaffa cake. That is fucking hilarious. Thankyou.Doctor Insanovic said:
OT from now on:
They get paid pretty much the same. The difference is well under 50p/hour between men and women. Its never going to be EXACT.
Assault and rape are both disgusting crimes committed by fucked up guys... you know, the kind of guys that dont give a rats ass about rights? Its not like rape is anywhere near encouraged by anyone outside of a mental institute or prison, and it is most definately extremely illegal.
As for more likely to be killed? Same thing; its not that women dont have rights or laws to protect them, its just that certain people choose to ignore them. Those people are hunted down and punished. The vast, vast majority of men would agree that murder and rape are horrible crimes but there is no way to sort them from the few sadists and perverts.
What im trying to say is that women and men are about as equal as it is possible to be, taking into account human nature.
More likely to be assaulted and killed? Don't think so. Most violence is committed by men against men.Serenegoose said:
EDIT: And here is a superbly referenced post with the very statistic I was looking for (sorry I posted without reading through the whole thread)
AndyFromMonday said:
They aren't allowed because they are worse at it. There are differences in speed endurance etc. In Physical ed etc you can counteract that by giving woman better gradess for less, atleast thats how my country does it.Istvan said:
But you can't do that in a war.
I can name one instance in modern culture that really pisses me off. There are a hell of a lot of times where men in advertising are made to look like idiotic, stumbling, moronic, tactless fools. Or even worse, are taken the piss out of for doing nothing in particular, apart from having a penis!child of lileth said:
An example
I mean, what in the fuck did he do that warranted being blasted out of a window, just so she could have the sofa?
She only harmed herself though, 'cos now she has period pain, and has no-one to ***** about it to!!
The problem is the same problem that people like Jessie Jackson have.Scarecrow 8 said:
When Femenism started, it was about raising women to the same level as men. Think about it, when it first happened, men were considered normal to want to be with tons of girls all the time and never remember who was what. But for a woman to have been with more than one man?! OH NO! HERESY! Femenism was originally about tearing down that wall. As you see in ALL ELDER CINEMA THAT FEMINISTS REFUSE TO ADMIT TO. Women not being "objectified" but rather being in FULL controll of their sexual ability, sex appeal, intelligence and power over men. Just as men are assumed to be with their own.
This was not only something that was (I think) nessicary, but it all but FREED women from the assumptions of generations LONG past about gender roles in an evolving society.
Fastforward to 2010. Women's sufferage has been more than finished for oh say about 50-60 years . . . now, look at Jessie. Segregation has been done and finished for about oh . . . 60-80 years depending on your exact definition of what "ended" it or at least was the begining of the end.
Now, without a war to fight, we have soldiers craving the battlefield. Searching desperately for what once gave them glory. A lot of the women in the feminist movement today were raised by the warriors of that ancient battle before them. They wanted to continue their mothers' fights. They wanted to stand up against the oppression and burn their bras. They wanted to say "LOOK AT ME! I AM A WOMAN! BUT I AM NO LESS THAN A MAN!" but now . . . it almost seems that ending the oppression of women that was once so great and powerful has left the movement insecure . . . like Jessie Jackson . . . and his people who honestly (gods this hurts) went so far to find racism as to claim they refuse to believe in "black holes" and demand science admit to the existance of "white holes" to counter act them. Yes . . . they went so far as to create a scientific phenomenon to be able to find racism where none could be found. Look it up.
But again on feminism, the war is over, but the warriors still crave a use for their sword. It's why the legions in Rome would volunteer at the Arena, it's why in the mid east there's still wars over the land in Israel. The genders are nearly equal . . . but it happened so fast, and so suddenly that none of the warriors fighting expected to have to NOT be fighting.
As well there has been a scientific study for the air force, and if a woman is piloting a jet during her period, there's a very real chance of the blood moving backward into her system causing SERIOUS INFECTIONS THAT CAN LEAD TO DEATH. Therefore . . . chances are best you go with a man instead. If they have to die . . . let it be by the enemy's hand, not nature's.GiantRedButton said:
ok, speaking AS a sadist, I have to refute part of that. I don't at all think rape is ok or good. Rape is the forced removal of someone's control and humanity for sexual purposes . . . where as BDSM is completely consentual or else it has turned in to, say it with me now . . . RAPE. SO unless the sadist or pervert (both me actually) CHOOSES to do things to a partner who is unwilling . . . then they don't condone rape simply by being sadistic or perverse.
Agreed.AndyFromMonday said:
I am not aiming to say that men are better than women or vica versa
I am just judging from what I have seen and experienced as someone who lives in Norway, and I acknowledge that I may not have all the facts or answers.
Here, in Norway, where I live and breathe, Women are treated as equals to men, except they get more rights (Like joining the army being a choice for them, but not for men, or being more likely to be considered over a man in a matter of employment even if the man is just as competent or more). I have seen cases where women have been discriminated against, sure, but those are a very small minority, and it is often other women who discriminate women here. I also regret to say that people I know have also been raped, and I can not defend this, but I can say that I would never do such a thing and don't know anyone who could be a possible rapist (I MAY VERY WELL BE WRONG).
Right now, I'm going to a community college, and there's an overweight of girls here. There has been a rape case here in the first two weeks, but very serious measures have been taken to investigate the case and give the victim the help she needed, and it is not even proven that she was actually raped. I am saying this because many people agree that it is weird that A) she is surprisingly chipper despite something that people consider such a traumatic experience, B) We only have her word for it, and C) She herself has chosen not to go to a psychiatrist or get any follow-up treatment. I am not saying she is lying, I am saying there hasn't been valid proof to get the suspect jailed, and the circumstances are blurry at best. Other than this, the only conflicts between males and females are completely normal, day-to-day conflicts that could very well happen between any people, and even those are few and far between. No one seems to mind the situation, and many people are getting along smoothly.
What I am going to say, though, is that many people ignore that abuse and rape against males exist and is at least as bad a problem as male on female abuse and rape. The reason why it's considered "rare" is because men are afraid of admitting that a woman might have done such a thing to them, and with good reason. Very few of the reported cases are taken seriously by the police, and little to no help is given to the victims. There has also been a noted rise of females training martial arts and acquiring weapons, and there have been serious proof of very violent girl gangs, especially around the capitol.
I hope I at least gave a bit more nuanced picture. Probably not, but I'm trying. And before anyone calls me a misogynist, I love women. I love men too. My friends are both women and men, and I love and respect them equally. I also hope that some day women and men will be at least approximately equal. Okay?
Cue the honking cries of "MISOGYNISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oneoneeleven!
Sigh
