Feminism: has it gone to far?

[Blind Sight]

Depends, some folks take it too far, mostly the people who run Women's Studies courses in universities. But other then that, no, feminism has not gone too far, a large percentage of the world's female population is still treated like crap. Even in Western countries women are on average paid less then men for the same jobs. So no, the vast majority of women are still being unfairly treated. However, those feminists who get upset when I open a door for them can go to hell. It's called manners, not oppression.

Bear in mind that women do have some advantages as well, which further complicates things. Maybe we should just stop putting people into little groups and judge them instead on something useful like, I don't know, ability? Intelligence?

 

[BGH122]

Whether or not it's gone to far depends on the feminist in question. The "Both sexes should be treated equally" kind of feminists are fine; the "Women are the superior race! Everything with a penis must be castrated and crucified! We don't need a filthy, inferior man to continue the human race; we'll just grow babies on farms!" kind are kinda fucking insane.

Yeah, this.

The problem is that it's the fucking insane feminazis that are the most vocal. Egalitarians, i.e. the 'equality is fun for all' version of feminism, realise that equality now exists and are a silent majority. Feminazis are still shrieking and whining over things that are only sexist in their own head. For instance, Harriet Harman (**** of all cunts) was a Labour politician incumbent in the UK house of parliament last year and she brought into law a law which strips men of their legal right to sue on basis of discrimination if passed over at a job interview but allows women to do so. That's just feminazism. There is no basis in an egalitarian society for such misandric and unjust laws.

 

[icame]

There annoying, i just ignore them. Make everything completely equal, not just what benefits woman, and that will make everything fine.

http://www.u.arizona.edu/~ntyamash/feminist3.gif

 

[Estocavio]

Women already have more rights than men -

Feminism hasn't existed since the 80s.

Not True Feminism anyway, now its about female Superiority, instead of equality.

I agree - Id explain my opinion fully, but i couldnt be bothered.

And for thing at the start about naming an example, and a calender shoot thing, and the reply to that by Lileth, that would be due to the lack of any large feminist group, which makes all counters localised.

Feminists these days are just attention seekers. The kind that are still throwing around the term "chauvinist" don't realise it applies more to them than anyone else.

Lets just pretend i quoted every single other person who said something along these lines as well, and said i agree with them also.

 

[BGH122]

What I am going to say, though, is that many people ignore that abuse and rape against males exist and is at least as bad a problem as male on female abuse and rape. The reason why it's considered "rare" is because men are afraid of admitting that a woman might have done such a thing to them, and with good reason. Very few of the reported cases are taken seriously by the police, and little to no help is given to the victims.

It's worse than you give credit for. Whenever a man is raped we're supposed to find it hilarious, indeed the media often shows male rape as a comedic event (one scene that comes to mind is Peter in family guy saying to his wife "I was raped" and being laughed at, I know it's just a cartoon and I'm not suggesting otherwise but let's face it: the reverse would never happen nor would it be considered acceptable). This is why whenever I'm handed government stats to prove that male on female rape is the majority I just sigh because the ridiculously confounding variable here is that male rape is far less likely to be reported than female rape.

I too would like to see the data set from which the 'women earn 78 cents to every dollar a man earns' stat emanates. Recently we've had an 'EU commission for equality' advertising scheme in Britain touting this claim, but I've never actually seen a data set supporting it. Indeed, when Dr Warren Farrell took a look at the US data set he found that single, highly experienced women out-earned single, highly experienced men. Here's the lecture [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb_6v-JQ13Q].

I don't really want to get into some massive argument about all this. Back when I was a teen this stuff really, really annoyed me. I used to write to my member of parliament about these issues and be fobbed off with a 'we don't give a fuck about male rights' response, but I'm more at peace with all this now. The obvious injustice still angers me, but I've come to terms with the fact that until the last vociferous 'I'm still living in the 70s' feminist is dead this nonsense won't die.

 

[Estocavio]

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Paid less? Mind putting up some studies' results to back up your claim? Because I haven't really heard anything like that.

Its just a preconceptive assumption, probably told to this person by a feminist. Again, check the unemployment rates and note how many women ARENT unemployed.

 

[Blind Sight]

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Paid less? Mind putting up some studies' results to back up your claim? Because I haven't really heard anything like that.

Not a problem, always willing to provide sources:

http://www.boston.com/news/health/blog/2010/03/equally_qualifi.html

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/womenspay.htm (this one's a little older, from 2002)

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983185,00.html

Best quote: "Perhaps the most compelling ? and potentially damning ? data of all to suggest that gender has an influence comes from a 2008 study in which University of Chicago sociologist Kristen Schilt and NYU economist Matthew Wiswall examined the wage trajectories of people who underwent a sex change. Their results: even when controlling for factors like education, men who transitioned to women earned, on average, 32% less after the surgery. Women who became men, on the other hand, earned 1.5% more."

Also, no, it's not an assumption, it's documented fact. Bear in mind that women also on average get higher raises then men though.

 

[Wait...What]

Many men are worried that feminism will relinquish their control over women - well, tough beans - you have no right to control women. No one has the right to control anyone.

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I would like to take a minute to point out that this isn't the case, most liberal leaning men are all for feminism, just not the trod on my balls for having the AUDACITY to have a penis while talking to you.

However the main problem we men seem to see here with feminism is that quite a few self identified 'Feminist' women want to be more than equal.

ie - see the door holding comlaints, we get bitched at either way.

Violence against women, by men, is still a problem - again, look at the statistics the UN publishes. Violence against men by women is also bad, but it's not nearly as big a problem. It's actually an incredibly rare thing. So that is why people focus on improving the rights of women, because for millennia they have been on the short end of the deal.

Also. Theres evidence that men are physically abused almost as much. In most cases its more emotional abuse. An example would be that psychotic girlfriend in The Hangover. It happens a lot and the man is called a pussy if he admits to it, but its still abuse.

It's not a rare thing, trust me on this.

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Now for my own stuffs

In my own opinion not much more needs to be done to improve womens standings. Fully equal pay for work needs to be realised and maybe a week or two more leave days for giving birth.

The splitting of sports teams and such is an obvious neccesity. Men would destroy most women in contact sports and in general do things a lot... rougher. Tennis for instance. Nadal hits the ball a LOT faster and harder than serena williams.

Its the feminism that advocates the castrating of men, called consenual sex between a man and a prostitute 'rape' even if she's a high class call girl maybe doing one john a week for 10 grand that gets me pissed off. Sure prostitution is wrong if shes forced into it or has no other choice but christ...

I've noticed I'm rambling

tldr - Its almost there in terms of equality. Stop being white knights about abuse it goes both ways. Stop trying to be more than equal feminazis.

Kudos, you summed up my entire thoughts on the matter and now i no longer need to take half an hour attempting to articulate it

 

[CouchCommando]

I've got no problem with equality, as for the tag "feminist" it can be grabbed by practically any 'tard who happens to be female, so I really haven't got much to say on the subject.

 

[kioko9959]

Feminists usually don't annoy me too much, though i have had the displeasure of reading about 7 articles on them trying there little hearts out to ban rapelay, the infamous game about picking your victims age and then sexual assaulting them in various manners, despite the fact that the makers had already taken the game of the shelves, and then all they did was get a bunch of there members to send emails in a template the distributed amongst themselves to Japanese politician. They just complain way too much

 

[Blind Sight]

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Not gonna argue statistics.

It's still a good deal for them, though - live longer, get paid a little less.

The assumption thing at the bottom was for that other guy who quoted you, I can't stand it when people who hate diehard feminists completely ignore social and economic factors that actually harm women because they see it as giving into the crazed, man-hating women.

 

[Aeriath]

It will never go far enough. There will always be misogyny and I laugh at those who say that women are 'equal' in the western world. I am fucking proud to be a feminist.

Having passion for what you believe in is great, but the statement "It will never go far enough" puts this firmly into the category of fanaticism. Let's hope the rest of this goes on a bit less aggressively.

Being a feminist means to me is that maybe one day women will make as much money as men

There is a box marked Feminism, inside it are many cans of worms. I have yet to open the can of worms marked as "Employment and Pay", but a look at the label shows that the pay gap is alive and well and that the OECD thinks that 25% of women and 6% of men working part time is a problem. You seem educated on the subject, so I'll ask, why is the difference in part time work a problem and is the how is the pay gap calculated?

that they will have more chances of being employed into high positions

I agree with this, as long as you don't support using the steaming pile of shit that is gender quotas.

that violence against women will stop being brushed aside

I'm going to have to strongly disagree with your assesment of the situation here. Men who hit women are rightly demonized. The social stigma attached to it even shows up in courts, where a man who beats a women will receive a longer sentence than a woman who beats a man.

that we will stop living in a rape culture

What? Maybe if you are one of these radical people who believe male-female intercourse is rape, I really can't see any reason you'd say this otherwise.

that we will stop being seen as sex objects or baby making machines

Yes, I agree with this. However, what constitutes being a sex object is sometimes debatable and some women enjoy it, so it's a bit of a grey area.

that men will stop thinking themselves better than us.

Might come around the same time that feminists stop generalizing. [http://instantrimshot.com/]

 

[Hallow'sEve]

come to Australia, where men are second class citizens. I hear New Zealand has it worse though. And English women are all Hitler from what I can tell, though that's not a legal equality thing, that's just a land of screwed up personalities. I get the feeling that a lot of husband-beating goes on over there.

I live in Australia and I know what you mean. It really is crazy.

So I don't have a good chance of getting in a kangaroo pouch if I went down under? Damn, and Australia was on my list for study abroad places too....

 

[bak00777]

Feminism hasn't existed since the 80s.

Not True Feminism anyway, now its about female Superiority, instead of equality.

I think this is true

 

[RootbeerJello]

This is obviusly not a fair example, but I'm pretty sure it happened and it's sure as hell too far, so I'll say it anyway. I don't know the name, but some feminist was quoted as saying "porn is rape".