Final Fantasy 13 or Mass Effect 2?

[shadow skill]

It's kind of hard to say because they are both such completely different games. You really can't compare them directly. It really just depends on if you prefer the WRPG model, or the JRPG model.

In other words, it depends on whether you prefer a little innovation now and again, or the same RPG you've been playing since the days of NES. I mean, what would you consider the standard for the "WRPG model" to be, exactly? Baldur's Gate? Mass Effect? The Fallout series? They are all pretty unique unto themselves. But I guess Final Fantasy 13 doesn't have any game which is similar to it. Oh wait, I forgot about the 12 games that came before it...

There's also the fact that, of these two RPGs, only ME2 has actual role-playing in it. So, you know, that helps its case a bit.

Well, you do play a role in Final Fantasy 13. It's just a role you're forced into with no possibility of customization for further immersion. So if you really want to be able to get into it, you better be one of those people wondering what it's like to be a pre-pubescent girl. Here's a primer to help you ease into the role: you love the Jonas Brothers and Twilight.

Yeah, about Final Fantasy? I've been playing the games for ages, I'm sure I'll get XIII, but lately I've come to the conclusion that they're not really role-playing games. You play no part in the creation of the characters, you have no control over their non-combat-related actions, you have no influence whatsoever on the story--you're just there to manage the party's inventory, to give them suggestions as to how to win fights, and to steer them from one non-interactive cutscene to the next. The only role you play is that of the heroes' invisible, voiceless caddy.

Just as an example: remember that part in FF8 when Quistis saw absolutely nothing wrong with abandoning her post in the middle of a high-profile political assassination to go make nice with Rinoa? If that was a role-playing game, you might have had the option to stop her from doing something so mindbendingly stupid. But nope, the game forced you to march her all the way back to the mansion, get trapped, and fight through a sewer level instead; you had no choice in the matter. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

You're wrong. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/role-play

God I wish people would actually go learn what role-play is.

 

[wasalp]

edit: sorry retracting comment since it has nothing to do with thread

 

[dajuberjaber]

mass effect

 

[shadow skill]

Buy more Atlus games and less Square-enix games named Final Fantasy?

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

It's kind of hard to say because they are both such completely different games. You really can't compare them directly. It really just depends on if you prefer the WRPG model, or the JRPG model.

In other words, it depends on whether you prefer a little innovation now and again, or the same RPG you've been playing since the days of NES. I mean, what would you consider the standard for the "WRPG model" to be, exactly? Baldur's Gate? Mass Effect? The Fallout series? They are all pretty unique unto themselves. But I guess Final Fantasy 13 doesn't have any game which is similar to it. Oh wait, I forgot about the 12 games that came before it...

There's also the fact that, of these two RPGs, only ME2 has actual role-playing in it. So, you know, that helps its case a bit.

Well, you do play a role in Final Fantasy 13. It's just a role you're forced into with no possibility of customization for further immersion. So if you really want to be able to get into it, you better be one of those people wondering what it's like to be a pre-pubescent girl. Here's a primer to help you ease into the role: you love the Jonas Brothers and Twilight.

Yeah, about Final Fantasy? I've been playing the games for ages, I'm sure I'll get XIII, but lately I've come to the conclusion that they're not really role-playing games. You play no part in the creation of the characters, you have no control over their non-combat-related actions, you have no influence whatsoever on the story--you're just there to manage the party's inventory, to give them suggestions as to how to win fights, and to steer them from one non-interactive cutscene to the next. The only role you play is that of the heroes' invisible, voiceless caddy.

Just as an example: remember that part in FF8 when Quistis saw absolutely nothing wrong with abandoning her post in the middle of a high-profile political assassination to go make nice with Rinoa? If that was a role-playing game, you might have had the option to stop her from doing something so mindbendingly stupid. But nope, the game forced you to march her all the way back to the mansion, get trapped, and fight through a sewer level instead; you had no choice in the matter. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

You're wrong. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/role-play

God I wish people would actually go learn what role-play is.

Okay then, let's see: "to assume the attitudes, actions, and discourse of (another)...to assume or represent in a drama..." Yeah, I don't see how this is a problem for my argument--it doesn't say anything along the lines of "to sit on your hands and watch (another) carry on with his/her own attitudes, actions and discourse."

Here, let's try http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/role%20playing: "to act out the role of."

No luck there, either.

 

[shadow skill]

It's kind of hard to say because they are both such completely different games. You really can't compare them directly. It really just depends on if you prefer the WRPG model, or the JRPG model.

In other words, it depends on whether you prefer a little innovation now and again, or the same RPG you've been playing since the days of NES. I mean, what would you consider the standard for the "WRPG model" to be, exactly? Baldur's Gate? Mass Effect? The Fallout series? They are all pretty unique unto themselves. But I guess Final Fantasy 13 doesn't have any game which is similar to it. Oh wait, I forgot about the 12 games that came before it...

There's also the fact that, of these two RPGs, only ME2 has actual role-playing in it. So, you know, that helps its case a bit.

Well, you do play a role in Final Fantasy 13. It's just a role you're forced into with no possibility of customization for further immersion. So if you really want to be able to get into it, you better be one of those people wondering what it's like to be a pre-pubescent girl. Here's a primer to help you ease into the role: you love the Jonas Brothers and Twilight.

Yeah, about Final Fantasy? I've been playing the games for ages, I'm sure I'll get XIII, but lately I've come to the conclusion that they're not really role-playing games. You play no part in the creation of the characters, you have no control over their non-combat-related actions, you have no influence whatsoever on the story--you're just there to manage the party's inventory, to give them suggestions as to how to win fights, and to steer them from one non-interactive cutscene to the next. The only role you play is that of the heroes' invisible, voiceless caddy.

Just as an example: remember that part in FF8 when Quistis saw absolutely nothing wrong with abandoning her post in the middle of a high-profile political assassination to go make nice with Rinoa? If that was a role-playing game, you might have had the option to stop her from doing something so mindbendingly stupid. But nope, the game forced you to march her all the way back to the mansion, get trapped, and fight through a sewer level instead; you had no choice in the matter. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

You're wrong. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/role-play

God I wish people would actually go learn what role-play is.

Okay then, let's see: "to assume the attitudes, actions, and discourse of (another)...to assume or represent in a drama..." Yeah, I don't see how this is a problem for my argument--it doesn't say anything along the lines of "to sit on your hands and watch (another) carry on with his/her own attitudes, actions and discourse."

Here, let's try http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/role%20playing: "to act out the role of."

No luck there, either.

Which is of course what you are doing by playing the game....Think harder. You will also take note that it says nothing about those taking on a given role having a choice in how that role is carried out.

 

[daz_O_O]

well im not a pedophile so im not into girls jumping around in short skrits shooting laser beams out their tits. so mass effect ill buy

And the award for nonsensical post of the day goes to...

OT: Without getting caught up in the raging arguement I'd like to say that I'm getting both, but I'm looking forward to FF XIII far more beuacse it looks very reminiscent of FFX which was an all-round great game. Don't count it out just because you've asked a whole bunch of people here who live on the JRPG hate bandwagon.
I personally prefered Tales of Vesperia and Lost Odessey to Mass Effect and Oblivion which shows some of us still appreciate a good JRPG as much as a WRPG and that's what you have to ask yourself really. Which style do YOU prefer? It's better than listening to a bunch of internet stereotypes you may have nothing in common with.

 

[Dragon_of_red]

Im really trying hard not to be an arse and prove almost every single point against Final Fantasy 13 wrong... Must... Resist.

But really, to everyone that has said something bad about Final Fantasy: F*** You basically, have any of you played more than one game? I bet you all havnt.

Anyways, id say get Mass Effect 2, even though i love Final Fantasy and its the first game ive ever actually pre ordered, if you say you liked the story for Mass Effect and wanted to know what happens next, get it. Theres is no point in starting an entire new story if you liked the other one, may as well get it.

BTW, im getting both of these, i cant wait

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

It's kind of hard to say because they are both such completely different games. You really can't compare them directly. It really just depends on if you prefer the WRPG model, or the JRPG model.

In other words, it depends on whether you prefer a little innovation now and again, or the same RPG you've been playing since the days of NES. I mean, what would you consider the standard for the "WRPG model" to be, exactly? Baldur's Gate? Mass Effect? The Fallout series? They are all pretty unique unto themselves. But I guess Final Fantasy 13 doesn't have any game which is similar to it. Oh wait, I forgot about the 12 games that came before it...

There's also the fact that, of these two RPGs, only ME2 has actual role-playing in it. So, you know, that helps its case a bit.

Well, you do play a role in Final Fantasy 13. It's just a role you're forced into with no possibility of customization for further immersion. So if you really want to be able to get into it, you better be one of those people wondering what it's like to be a pre-pubescent girl. Here's a primer to help you ease into the role: you love the Jonas Brothers and Twilight.

Yeah, about Final Fantasy? I've been playing the games for ages, I'm sure I'll get XIII, but lately I've come to the conclusion that they're not really role-playing games. You play no part in the creation of the characters, you have no control over their non-combat-related actions, you have no influence whatsoever on the story--you're just there to manage the party's inventory, to give them suggestions as to how to win fights, and to steer them from one non-interactive cutscene to the next. The only role you play is that of the heroes' invisible, voiceless caddy.

Just as an example: remember that part in FF8 when Quistis saw absolutely nothing wrong with abandoning her post in the middle of a high-profile political assassination to go make nice with Rinoa? If that was a role-playing game, you might have had the option to stop her from doing something so mindbendingly stupid. But nope, the game forced you to march her all the way back to the mansion, get trapped, and fight through a sewer level instead; you had no choice in the matter. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

You're wrong. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/role-play

God I wish people would actually go learn what role-play is.

Okay then, let's see: "to assume the attitudes, actions, and discourse of (another)...to assume or represent in a drama..." Yeah, I don't see how this is a problem for my argument--it doesn't say anything along the lines of "to sit on your hands and watch (another) carry on with his/her own attitudes, actions and discourse."

Here, let's try http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/role%20playing: "to act out the role of."

No luck there, either.

Which is of course what you are doing by playing the game...

Um, no. No, you're not. Quistis goes back to the mansion no matter what. You have no influence over her attitudes, actions or discourse, and therefore you are not role-playing.

 

[shadow skill]

It's kind of hard to say because they are both such completely different games. You really can't compare them directly. It really just depends on if you prefer the WRPG model, or the JRPG model.

In other words, it depends on whether you prefer a little innovation now and again, or the same RPG you've been playing since the days of NES. I mean, what would you consider the standard for the "WRPG model" to be, exactly? Baldur's Gate? Mass Effect? The Fallout series? They are all pretty unique unto themselves. But I guess Final Fantasy 13 doesn't have any game which is similar to it. Oh wait, I forgot about the 12 games that came before it...

There's also the fact that, of these two RPGs, only ME2 has actual role-playing in it. So, you know, that helps its case a bit.

Well, you do play a role in Final Fantasy 13. It's just a role you're forced into with no possibility of customization for further immersion. So if you really want to be able to get into it, you better be one of those people wondering what it's like to be a pre-pubescent girl. Here's a primer to help you ease into the role: you love the Jonas Brothers and Twilight.

Yeah, about Final Fantasy? I've been playing the games for ages, I'm sure I'll get XIII, but lately I've come to the conclusion that they're not really role-playing games. You play no part in the creation of the characters, you have no control over their non-combat-related actions, you have no influence whatsoever on the story--you're just there to manage the party's inventory, to give them suggestions as to how to win fights, and to steer them from one non-interactive cutscene to the next. The only role you play is that of the heroes' invisible, voiceless caddy.

Just as an example: remember that part in FF8 when Quistis saw absolutely nothing wrong with abandoning her post in the middle of a high-profile political assassination to go make nice with Rinoa? If that was a role-playing game, you might have had the option to stop her from doing something so mindbendingly stupid. But nope, the game forced you to march her all the way back to the mansion, get trapped, and fight through a sewer level instead; you had no choice in the matter. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

You're wrong. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/role-play

God I wish people would actually go learn what role-play is.

Okay then, let's see: "to assume the attitudes, actions, and discourse of (another)...to assume or represent in a drama..." Yeah, I don't see how this is a problem for my argument--it doesn't say anything along the lines of "to sit on your hands and watch (another) carry on with his/her own attitudes, actions and discourse."

Here, let's try http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/role%20playing: "to act out the role of."

No luck there, either.

Which is of course what you are doing by playing the game...

Um, no. No, you're not. Quistis goes back to the mansion no matter what. You have no influence over her attitudes, actions or discourse, and therefore you are not role-playing.

Yes you are. An actor or actress has to follow a script and deliver the lines as the director sees fit. An actor or actress is by definition role-playing in the same way any player of a FF game is following the course set up by the game creators. They assume the role of one or more characters and guide them down the prescribed path. Choice is not necessarily involved.

 

[jkklol94]

I say you should buy FFXIII first then you can wait, while you're playing FFXIII, for mass effect 2 to come out on platinum hits on 360.

 

[shadow skill]

Just get both there is plenty of time between the two. Or better yet as I said earlier buy an Atlus game instead of a Final Fantasy.

 

[silentsentinel]

Mass Effect 2. The characters are far more believable than anyone the Final Fantasy universe has offered up so far. Plus, it has third person shooting combat, which is far superior to turned based (in my own insignificant opinion.)