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Furry Morality Question
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I'd almost certainly do it, assuming I like the animal used/the final look. I don't really give a shit if people are prejudiced against me, so I'd go for it. The only question I have is what animal I would use and what it would look like.
I'd probably try to go with a gorilla but I'm not sure I'd notice the change, so I'd default to wolf.
I'd probably try to go with a gorilla but I'm not sure I'd notice the change, so I'd default to wolf.
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Actually it is. There has been plenty of speculative fiction on this subject without the whole furry aspect of it. The wealthy by having their money also control the rule of law, because they buy the politicials and influance what laws get passed and how they are enforced. What's the first reason that comes to mind when it comes to getting justice from a wealthy corperation nowadays? You can't do it, because you can't afford the lawyers, and even if you could the best ones already work for them. In the US this is a big problem, but it just gets worse in other countries. When you start giving the rich super powers do, they become an actual superior form of life, and that's going to make things even harder to deal with. In the US for example, whether anyone want to accept it or not, the highly capitalistic nature of our society is kept in line by an armed populance, there is a limit to how far the goverment and wealthy can actually push, especially since they are vastly outnumbered. I'm not going to get into a full treatise about that, the military, and other things, but the basic point is that if the rich become super powerful as well as in control of the majority of wealth, there is no longer anything holding them back. Sure, nothing in this analysis makes them bulletproof (well unless they have consumed Armadillo formula or something) but the point is that they are each the general equivilent of Captain America, or Spider Man, potentially an army unto themselves.
It's just like any scenario with genetic supermen being developed, the prognosis for us poor plebes becomes increasingly bleak. Indeed the whole back story to Kahn in Star Trek is pretty much about this, they created a race of genetic supermen, and there was a huge war that was barely won against them, Kahn being a survivor from that era. We also see this kind of thing in series like Gundam with Newtypes against regular humans, and so on. This doesn't go anywhere pleasant, and truthfully a lot of the fiction like Gundam tends to forget about the whole supermen thing except in the backstory half the time.
In the end we'll probably have to agree to disagree, on the specifics, but I've given my answer. If it was up to me, I'd ensure either everyone gets it, or nobody gets it. Given the obvious benefits I'd probably be all for trying to turn it into an Aeosol and releasing it into the atmosphere, since announcing I had it would cause all kinds of problems and ultimatly lead to the whole supermen thing as the rich and powerful took control. Failing the abillity to do that, I'd destroy it. Not being a luddite I'm not going to wreck perfectly good technology without a good reason, but I do believe something like this has to be an all or nothing situation.
In a literal sense if someone said, "here, drink this and it will give you super powers" and I knew it to be true (as oppose to you know, some random guy doing it in real life) I'd probably go for it, as there doesn't seem to be too much of a downside other than some mild cosmetic changes. Besides, if it ever comes down to a conflict, the guys who use the stuff are probably going to be the winners, despite the fact that most science fiction winds up being written by romantics who have it go the other way. All told though, this is not where such a development wound wind up going.
Oh, I don't disagree with this at all. Of course there can be frivolous traits added in this sort of sense. I'm just thinking for the overall future, since once everyone starts messing with their DNA, what will it do to future generations?KimonoBoxFox said:
As to why furries exist to begin with, I blame Disney and the old cartoon trends of sticking animal parts on idealized masculine or feminine bodies.
I doubt the discrimination would be any worse than people that choose to dress differently.
I would not take the serum. I need my human features to do practical things, like talk, or play Guitar Hero. I don't want to be fumbling around with giant paws and cursing my not-fit-for-human-language mouth.
Also, for people saying human evolution has halted, that's not true. Just because the environment has less of a direct effect doesn't mean we're not evolving. Assuming we don't go extinct we'll likely interbreed into a single race, and as is always the case whoever's making the most babies will have the greatest impact on the direction the species goes. We're currently evolving immunities to diseases that affect pre-pubescents, as the ones effected aren't able to pass on their genes.
Some have argued that the species will get somewhat dumber now that our academics are putting off having children longer and longer, and often altogether, while the lower class keeps pumpin' 'em out at a steady rate. I don't think this is anything to worry about, but it's a plausible reality.
Speculating even further, if/when we find the cure for aging the ones that can afford the fountain of youth will likely produce far fewer children, and may even eventually diverge as a separate species if the "breeders" continue to change up the gene pool away from the "long-lifers" (assuming something prevents it from becoming affordable technology, which is incredibly unlikely).
The reason it seems as if evolution has halted is because it takes a long time. We've only had decent tools and agriculture for the last 10,000 years or so, but we've looked more or less the same for the last 200,000 years. We'll continue to inherit the traits of whoever's breeding, and continue to evolve, we just won't notice anything in out lifetime.
I would not take the serum. I need my human features to do practical things, like talk, or play Guitar Hero. I don't want to be fumbling around with giant paws and cursing my not-fit-for-human-language mouth.
Also, for people saying human evolution has halted, that's not true. Just because the environment has less of a direct effect doesn't mean we're not evolving. Assuming we don't go extinct we'll likely interbreed into a single race, and as is always the case whoever's making the most babies will have the greatest impact on the direction the species goes. We're currently evolving immunities to diseases that affect pre-pubescents, as the ones effected aren't able to pass on their genes.
Some have argued that the species will get somewhat dumber now that our academics are putting off having children longer and longer, and often altogether, while the lower class keeps pumpin' 'em out at a steady rate. I don't think this is anything to worry about, but it's a plausible reality.
Speculating even further, if/when we find the cure for aging the ones that can afford the fountain of youth will likely produce far fewer children, and may even eventually diverge as a separate species if the "breeders" continue to change up the gene pool away from the "long-lifers" (assuming something prevents it from becoming affordable technology, which is incredibly unlikely).
The reason it seems as if evolution has halted is because it takes a long time. We've only had decent tools and agriculture for the last 10,000 years or so, but we've looked more or less the same for the last 200,000 years. We'll continue to inherit the traits of whoever's breeding, and continue to evolve, we just won't notice anything in out lifetime.
I think the matter of widening the ceiling between the middle and upper class is kind of inherent in any technological breakthrough. Those in high places of power will inevitably get their hands on new things before Joe Blow, whether they be military hardware, expensive cutting-edge medical treatments, or what have you. What we fear isn't speculation--it's reality already.
If you think changing the body or 'genetic potential', as you would have it is really changing anything for better or for worse, maybe it's time to re-assess your position in the current election... I don't see you winning it, Joe Blow. No, there's a rich politician winning it for himself, and misrepresenting your desires. Whether his kids get to be athletic or not really doesn't put things much less in your favor than it already is, when the whole system stinks.
If you think changing the body or 'genetic potential', as you would have it is really changing anything for better or for worse, maybe it's time to re-assess your position in the current election... I don't see you winning it, Joe Blow. No, there's a rich politician winning it for himself, and misrepresenting your desires. Whether his kids get to be athletic or not really doesn't put things much less in your favor than it already is, when the whole system stinks.
An interesting proposal. Mid-Atlantic, I'd say. Obviously, we'll need to develop some sort of guard force for our city. Some sort of large, mechanical father figures would be best suited for it.LostCrusader said:
I think this is all coming together nicely.
Yeah, it hit me hard too. I was all sitting here reading the arguments for and against genetic manipulation, someone said something about dolphins, and killing sharks, and then it hit me. I had seen this very debate before, on TV, when I was little... Genetic manipulation is used for evil. But admit it, if you could be built like the Great White, you would... Sure, there probably wouldn't be attractive women interested in mating with you (I am NOT a furry, so I would need an unaltered woman to satisfy my desires), but I would be PART GREAT WHITE SHARK!Agayek said:
Seriously I can't imagine doing this, but the idea is awesome, right?
Oh man. I wish my view of the world was similar to yours. Imo the world is a shithole and could do with a whole lot of improving. I'm not sure a furry-serum would be the way to do it, but smarter people? Hell yes.sravankb said:
Smarter people, means smarter solutions. Smarter solutions are usually easier. Sounds good to me.
Simple Question, Simple Answer.
Would I get the serum? Yes.
If there is an option to make me part-reptile, with a tail and everything? Hell Yes.
If I could mix and match traits like in that one episode of Batman Beyond, so I could become a "chimera" of my own make and choosing? FUCK YES, GIVE ME MY DRAGON SERUM NOW *****!!
Would I get the serum? Yes.
If there is an option to make me part-reptile, with a tail and everything? Hell Yes.
If I could mix and match traits like in that one episode of Batman Beyond, so I could become a "chimera" of my own make and choosing? FUCK YES, GIVE ME MY DRAGON SERUM NOW *****!!
Totally. I'd be in on that at the drop of a hat. I mean come on, you can be part Great White Shark, who can swim in concrete. If that's not reason enough for you, you could also eat literally anything. It's beyond awesome.Spade Lead said:
Also, I'm gonna have to actually find a torrent for that cartoon now. I'm struck by an inexplicable urge to watch the whole series.
PS - I also found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqgJ6wzSW8k from your link, and got yet another, bigger nostalgia blast.
90's cartoons were so ridiculous.
Damn, I never even saw that one... You have bested me good sir, for obscure genetic-engineering-based cartoons...Agayek said:
I hope that is never invented, and not because of the furry aspect. Intelligence is the only true way that one person is not equal to another at birth. When you make everyone smart and no one stupid, you destroy the fundamental basics of natural human inequality, thus destroying society itself.
Now, this may sound like a good thing, but it's not. There has always been inequality in the world, there always will be inequality in the world, and there must be inequality in the world for society to function.
Magic pills that change your external characteristics (muscle mass, penis size, skin color, eye color, weight) are fine by me. At the end of the day, those don't really matter. Intelligence matters most when you take out which socio-economic level you were born at. If you were to put every single person who ever existed at the same socio-economic level, the smart ones would rise higher than the stupid ones, who would fall.
Now, this may sound like a good thing, but it's not. There has always been inequality in the world, there always will be inequality in the world, and there must be inequality in the world for society to function.
--1984 (That may not be the exact wording, but you get my point.)George Orwell said:
Magic pills that change your external characteristics (muscle mass, penis size, skin color, eye color, weight) are fine by me. At the end of the day, those don't really matter. Intelligence matters most when you take out which socio-economic level you were born at. If you were to put every single person who ever existed at the same socio-economic level, the smart ones would rise higher than the stupid ones, who would fall.