Games you love despite huge flaws
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STALKER and Oblivion, although both get amazingly good with a few mods (Oblivion Lost for STALKER is highly recommended)
Oblivion.
It crashed every 30 minutes, the recommended and minimum settings were completely wrong. It was buggy as all hell, the characters weren't very good (save for a few), the leveling system was a joke, and technically it was a mess.
But after downloading the Unofficial Oblivion Patch, and BT mod. It just got so much better, and under a game with more bugs than a swamp, there was a fantastic game.
Plus the character creator gave me endless laughs
Its a shame the community had to clean up after the dev's shortcomings...
This. KOTOR 2 was just amazing. It had a fantastic story, amazing characters, and Krea is quite possibly my favorite game character ever.
Sadly it was rushed, buggy as hell, and the ending... just ugh.
Still though, there's an amazing game in there.
It crashed every 30 minutes, the recommended and minimum settings were completely wrong. It was buggy as all hell, the characters weren't very good (save for a few), the leveling system was a joke, and technically it was a mess.
But after downloading the Unofficial Oblivion Patch, and BT mod. It just got so much better, and under a game with more bugs than a swamp, there was a fantastic game.
Plus the character creator gave me endless laughs
Its a shame the community had to clean up after the dev's shortcomings...
YesTheAmazingTGIF said:
This. KOTOR 2 was just amazing. It had a fantastic story, amazing characters, and Krea is quite possibly my favorite game character ever.
Sadly it was rushed, buggy as hell, and the ending... just ugh.
Still though, there's an amazing game in there.
Any Final Fantasy game.
Let me put it this way: individually, most Final Fantasy games rank amongst my favourite things ever. Combined, the Final Fantasy series is probably one of the greatest things ever created by humanity. And I include in that such things as the Sistine Chapel, Beethoven's symphonies and The Wire (best TV show ever).
But I accept they're flawed, deeply flawed depending on your perspective. There is little interactivity. The characters might be called emo whiny twats if you're not the sort to appreciate them. The combat can be repetitive, shallow, irritating.
But I love them, for reasons that will only be understandable to other people who love them, and they already know what those reasons are.
Let me put it this way: individually, most Final Fantasy games rank amongst my favourite things ever. Combined, the Final Fantasy series is probably one of the greatest things ever created by humanity. And I include in that such things as the Sistine Chapel, Beethoven's symphonies and The Wire (best TV show ever).
But I accept they're flawed, deeply flawed depending on your perspective. There is little interactivity. The characters might be called emo whiny twats if you're not the sort to appreciate them. The combat can be repetitive, shallow, irritating.
But I love them, for reasons that will only be understandable to other people who love them, and they already know what those reasons are.
Beyond Good and Evil, that game was awesome and extremely creative up to the horribly ill conceived and horribly implemented "stealth" parts, I was only like 10 at the time so I got horribly frustrated by it and eventually gave up, but despite that it still has a special place in my heart (lol cliché) and I always remember it fondly.
Sometimes I feel the urge to go hunting around for a cheap copy so I can actually finish it but in the end I never do because I get worried playing it again would just ruin all those memories and good impressions of it, sort of like when you watch Crash Bandicoot videos on youtube and realize it's not as awesome as you always thought it was. :|
Sometimes I feel the urge to go hunting around for a cheap copy so I can actually finish it but in the end I never do because I get worried playing it again would just ruin all those memories and good impressions of it, sort of like when you watch Crash Bandicoot videos on youtube and realize it's not as awesome as you always thought it was. :|
Mount & Blade.
The NPCs in villages have no pathing capabilities at all. Also in tournaments the NPC fighters have a tendency to ride their horse straight into a wall.
However, the combat is so damn fun that it makes up for that.
The NPCs in villages have no pathing capabilities at all. Also in tournaments the NPC fighters have a tendency to ride their horse straight into a wall.
However, the combat is so damn fun that it makes up for that.
I've seen a few people post that here with out any explanation.one of them said:
I've got it and love it.
There are some bugs and glitches, but nothing I would call a huge flaw.
Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia.
Ridden with bugs, control issues, lag, multiplayer issues, etc. However, it had cheat codes that were hilarious and generally creative and exciting gameplay.
Ridden with bugs, control issues, lag, multiplayer issues, etc. However, it had cheat codes that were hilarious and generally creative and exciting gameplay.
Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2. Sure it uses the same DW formula and yes, some of the VAs are horrendous and the graphics could have been better. However, when I want to destroy a legion of Zakus I can think of no game that can possibly be better. Plus, it's always fun and that's what matters.
As been before, Oblivion. Amazing game. Horridly flawed. Cant think of a game I've spent more time playing yet than this one.
Bad Company 2. I notice a few glaring flaws, such as the lag and the defective friends list and countless other things but I just keep playing it.
Bad Company 2. I notice a few glaring flaws, such as the lag and the defective friends list and countless other things but I just keep playing it.
eh...Halo's 1-3 can be very difficult to understand and keep up with if you dont know the premise well enough, but the FPS schematics of it are..ok, they could've been better, but they're catching up on that with Reach's improved gameplay (except it looks exactly like Tribes, if anyone ever played that)
otherwise i cant really think of 'em...i dont focus for flaws, I just enjoy the games.
otherwise i cant really think of 'em...i dont focus for flaws, I just enjoy the games.
even though i hate to say it, oblivion, modern warfare 2, and to some extent halo 3.
wow, my fingers are in pain after typing that.
oblivion did have its faults (only 2 types of people, confusing quests at times, etc.)
however over all i loved it.
modern warfare 2 had those ridiculous story moments but i loved it soooooo much more than any other cod game.
(let me go a little off topic for a minute, even though modern warfare had a frankly preposterous storyline infinity ward wanted to escape the no imagination needed grasp of world war 2 and they tried to make one of those 5.2% fact war games like bad company 2 or killzone. so please, before you go on the forums with your anti-mw2 script in hand, remember, just because a company is known for ww2 shooters, doesn't mean that EVERY GAME with its label is 100% historical fact.)
and finally, halo 3 did kind of fail to meet expectation, but it still was tons of fun.
wow, my fingers are in pain after typing that.
oblivion did have its faults (only 2 types of people, confusing quests at times, etc.)
however over all i loved it.
modern warfare 2 had those ridiculous story moments but i loved it soooooo much more than any other cod game.
(let me go a little off topic for a minute, even though modern warfare had a frankly preposterous storyline infinity ward wanted to escape the no imagination needed grasp of world war 2 and they tried to make one of those 5.2% fact war games like bad company 2 or killzone. so please, before you go on the forums with your anti-mw2 script in hand, remember, just because a company is known for ww2 shooters, doesn't mean that EVERY GAME with its label is 100% historical fact.)
and finally, halo 3 did kind of fail to meet expectation, but it still was tons of fun.
ArmA 2 - The voice acting is still horrid, and the original release was had more bugs than a plague of locusts. However, with a few patches, it became far more accessible, is TONS of fun, and it has managed to keep me occupied since last June when it was released in the States. It is still one of my favorite games of all time!
All of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games (except Call of Pripyat since I haven't played it yet) - They were also buggy, but the atmosphere is second to none, and the freedom that the game give you is incredible. I would dare to say that Fallout 3 could have learned a lot from S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
X3: Reunion - It's VERY SLOW TO START OUT, but there is so much freedom in this game it is incredible. It just takes FOREVER to work up to a level where the fun really starts. I got tired of trading back and forth REALLY quick! The MASSIVE bugs were also fixed and thegame was re-released as X3 2.0.
All of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games (except Call of Pripyat since I haven't played it yet) - They were also buggy, but the atmosphere is second to none, and the freedom that the game give you is incredible. I would dare to say that Fallout 3 could have learned a lot from S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
X3: Reunion - It's VERY SLOW TO START OUT, but there is so much freedom in this game it is incredible. It just takes FOREVER to work up to a level where the fun really starts. I got tired of trading back and forth REALLY quick! The MASSIVE bugs were also fixed and thegame was re-released as X3 2.0.
The obvious two - Oblivion and Fallout 3. OP armor/weapon combos, rather poor storylines (though F3 is waaaay more fun than grinding in the Plane of Oblivion, which after you get up to the more-than-basic levels can be REALLY hard with extremely strong enemies). Graphical glitches. I bought Oblivion for PC in January '07, then I was getting the weirdest sound glitch that rendered the game unplayable (couldn't find ANY help on it either ANYWHERE) because all I heard was this constant fluctuating wind noise. And I tried everything, emailing Bethesda, and reinstalling on a different harddrive (as well as re-downloading a few times) and I STILL got this problem. It eventually seemed to happen every time I tried to play the damn game. So I got it for Xbox and it of course has been much more smooth sailing. I must have had 3 or more PC characters and have sunk HUNDREDS of hours into the Xbox versoon. Same deal with Fallout 3. Huge time sinks. Also Oblivion expanded my horizons to games with sword fighting, as well as getting me interested in ancient history (already was a WWII buff) which I thought was really boring until I played Oblivion.
MW2. The only game I can play with friends really. Even though its easier to list all the UNDERPOWERED things in the game over the overpowered, I can see myself eventually going lvl 70 10th prestige.
Mass Effect 1. My 2nd favorite game of all time (ME2 is my favorite and is MUCH LESS flawed.) The battle system wasn't the best (I thought it was more fun than most people did but especially early on, it was really hard and not very fun). Disgusting texture pop-in up the kazoo, and very little DLC. Huge time sink (as is its sequel).
STALKER series. Another time sink. All 3 I liked despite their flaws. Bugs, stuttery gameplay and the end of the first two were so stupid that I never ONCE completed them. SoC's ending is much better and actually fun. And I didn't mind that the only weapon that was every really added was the Protecta in SoC.
Bad Company 2. It runs like absolute dogshit on my PC unless I turn it almost allllll the way down, has the signature horrid DICE server browser that actually has settings that work OPPOSITE of what they were intended (the Punkbuster filter), Rush mode seems biased towards the attackers, Conquest is basically TDM, the flags serve little purpose, and Squad DM is basically "Get shot from every single possible angle" and death usually from behind or the side. And of course the M60 trolls me to no end. And the sniper rifles need to be able to kill in one shot in the upper chest, and the only one really worth using is the M24 or the M95. But STILL. Its fun!
MW2. The only game I can play with friends really. Even though its easier to list all the UNDERPOWERED things in the game over the overpowered, I can see myself eventually going lvl 70 10th prestige.
Mass Effect 1. My 2nd favorite game of all time (ME2 is my favorite and is MUCH LESS flawed.) The battle system wasn't the best (I thought it was more fun than most people did but especially early on, it was really hard and not very fun). Disgusting texture pop-in up the kazoo, and very little DLC. Huge time sink (as is its sequel).
STALKER series. Another time sink. All 3 I liked despite their flaws. Bugs, stuttery gameplay and the end of the first two were so stupid that I never ONCE completed them. SoC's ending is much better and actually fun. And I didn't mind that the only weapon that was every really added was the Protecta in SoC.
Bad Company 2. It runs like absolute dogshit on my PC unless I turn it almost allllll the way down, has the signature horrid DICE server browser that actually has settings that work OPPOSITE of what they were intended (the Punkbuster filter), Rush mode seems biased towards the attackers, Conquest is basically TDM, the flags serve little purpose, and Squad DM is basically "Get shot from every single possible angle" and death usually from behind or the side. And of course the M60 trolls me to no end. And the sniper rifles need to be able to kill in one shot in the upper chest, and the only one really worth using is the M24 or the M95. But STILL. Its fun!
Bioshock 2. I LOVED Bioshock 2. I LOVED playing as a Big Daddy, I LOVED the storyline and new locales, I LOVED some of the moral decisions (Really made me think, though I'm that type of person) and I LOVED the gameplay that was all the awesome parts about an FPS without having to be good with FPSs.
Buuut...
The plasmids were ALL the same, (there was like one new one ok) the game barely changed ANYTHING from the first one, a lot of of the plot elements are pretty much taken from the first game, (OH DELTA THERE'S A BIG BLOCK OF ICE BLOCKING THE WAY BETTER GO FIND INCINERATE) and overall it just doesn't seem too different from the first game. Also the Multiplayer is online-only. The hell's up with that?
But I still love that game to pieces.
Buuut...
The plasmids were ALL the same, (there was like one new one ok) the game barely changed ANYTHING from the first one, a lot of of the plot elements are pretty much taken from the first game, (OH DELTA THERE'S A BIG BLOCK OF ICE BLOCKING THE WAY BETTER GO FIND INCINERATE) and overall it just doesn't seem too different from the first game. Also the Multiplayer is online-only. The hell's up with that?
But I still love that game to pieces.
If a game has massive flaws, odds are that those massive flaws stop me from loving it. The closest thing I could give for an answer would be the single player campaign of MW2. Yes, the gameplay was frustrating at times, and yes, the story was utterly ridiculous, but I loved that campaign. It was intense from beginning to end. And this coming from someone who generally dislikes FPS's.