Getting raped is like getting a flat tire. Also, it's God's will. Fancy that.

[webchameleon]

I'm not getting this. He suggested women *SHOULD* be insured for abortions? Or should have to get a separate plan if they *WANT* abortions? Because that's all he said! I didn't hear anything about God's will, either.

Slander.

(I will say though, that as a libertarian, he should keep his dick out of what insurance companies want to cover)

 

[funguy2121]

So... can we get these obvious retards thrown out of office? There really needs to be a way to do that if enough people are against them.

It's called impeachment, and unfortunately we reserve it exclusively for perfectly legal blowjobs administered to presidents in bad marriages who bring about unprecedented prosperity and want to kill bin Ladin. We do not use it on presidents who bankrupt the whole country, get us involved in unwinnable, neverending wars while violating the constitution and hiring attorneys general who don't believe in habeas fucking corpus, and ignore bin Ladin until two giant skyscrapers are removed from the New York skyline.

Unfortunately, we also tend not to use it on state-level congress"men" who's view of the world is shaped more by their fairy tale upbringing then by compassion or reason.

Wow, I'm in a mood.

I'm not sure why the OP said this is indicative of flaws in a democratic system. I'm fairly sure dictatorships have shitty leaders.

 

[Vault101]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

I agree with this poster fully.

Also is homeboy not right? Are you not suppose to buy health insurance? Car insurance? Shit happens in this world people. You might get mugged. You might get raped. Your house may catch on fire. You could get in an autoaccident with a drunk driver and be paralyzed.

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

*coughtrollcough*

Gaiz, he can't both have a valid point AND be a troll. So, which is it? (Mostly directed at Vault101). Feel like supporting that 'troll' point? :x

I trolled circles around her in a thread called "post your controversial opinions". I posted mine just like everyone else, but apparently it was too controversial because a lot of people who weren't me came out of the thread with a severe case of the sore ass.

Apparently from now on, any time I say anything about women it is automatically trolling, even if i'm in favor of something like abortions. If that's not butthurt I don't know what is.

Trolling isnt the same as you know..actually arguing/ debating

 

[Gigano]

Well, while poorly worded, all he seemed to say is that it's not unreasonable for women to have to "plan ahead" by getting a separate insurance policy for abortion aside from their general health insurance.

...which is still both harsh and retarded - if a system doesn't have free health care, then the least it could do is allow its citizens to draw up an all-risk health insurance - but he's hardly any kind of rape supporter. Just some backwards conservative who happened to choose his words poorly.

 

[AgentNein]

No offense, but where does "God's Will" figure into this? I read the article and I don't see where it mentioned that Getting raped is "God's will".

Can we stop the christianity bashing and just talk about how much of an idiot this guy is? You don't necessarily have to be a religious person to support/disapprove of abortion. I'm Catholic, and I'm pro stem cell research.



Anyways, back to the topic at hand, like I said, that guy is an idiot, a complete idiot, his comments were completely inappropriate, and it's a shame that more people are worried about "Weiner's Wiener" then the stuff this man is saying.

Brent Crane says that everything is part of God's plan, so getting raped is his will. It's in the article around the middle of it.

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

To quote Epicurus...

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

That kind of applies to all monotheistic religions. :x

And what I am taking from this is yet another reason for my extreme anti-theism. I hate religion in all its forms. Gods will my arse. Fucking knobjockey.

See above! Also, nice OC VG Cats avatar.

This ignores the Doctrine of Free Will though. God has given Man the power to choose to the good or the evil; ie: he didn't create robots to blindly follow him because that would have defeated the purpose of creating them in the first place. It also ignores the fallen nature of Man, which would explain where evil comes from.

I don't want to start a religious war over this though (I'm a Roman Catholic btw).

Giving man the choice to commit evil falls under 'He is not willing to prevent evil' Since...you know...he would have given permission to commit it by saying 'Do whatever.' (And thus not preventing it.)

God isn't your personal butler or batman. The fact he allows you to exist is gift enough, and if you ask for anything more then you look rather ungrateful and selfish. He gave you tools, use them. God isn't going to do things for you because you are lazy and refuse to use the tools. That is why evolution and darwinism exist. A parent wont support a 40 year old with no job, and acts like a 10 year old.

(deist)

No offense, but your god sounds like kind of a dick. He created a world, created or allowed evil to exist (both man made dickery and natural disasters which cause quite a bit of world suffering but by their very nature have nothing to do with the free will of mankind), and then put us in this unfortunate, dangerous and brutal place to test us, make sure we're thankful? to him? Fuck that guy. Didn't ask nor volunteer to be brought into existence, so I think that cleanly nixes the silly "free will" argument.

Free will is the greatest gift one could give along with existence. Being angry at God is like being pissed at Notch for creating minecraft. Notch doesn't owe us a single damn thing, but he gave us minecraft.

God gives you the gift of existence with almost no limits to do whatever you please, and you're the one that is complaining? That you would rather not exist? With no sentience, conscience, or anything? No one forcing you to live your life, you can opt out at any time on many ways.

I'm actually a pretty happy person, but I'm fully aware that I'm also one of the few fortunate people on the planet earth. Living in first world countries makes it easy to forget how truly shitty and unfair existence CAN be for the majority of people out there. One things for sure, if God exists he doesn't afford all of his peoples equal freedom to do as they please.

But because I understand that different deists have different takes on how things work, would you say that suicide was an out? As in I'm not going to be punished by some God for the choice and just get to cease to be?

And okay, God doesn't owe us a thing. Then I guess I don't owe my son or daughter a thing either. They should thank me for their existence.

You're trying to add reason and logic to events and actions beyond anyone's capacity of understanding. It's called faith on the sole fact that if it could be explained with reason or logic there would be no belief required. It would be a fundamental fact. Facts are understood and processed they require no faith.

And no, God doesn't just give us life then say be grateful for it. He guides us and teaches us in the most subtle ways and doesn't demonize you even if you don't believe he exists. People tell you that if you don't believe in god you will go to hell, that I believe in a load of horseshit. As long as you walk the straight and narrow and commit your actions with love and without selfishness or hate you will always be welcomed to him.

Most common application of god's actions is what I would imagine to be some form of seven degrees of separation crossed with the butterfly effect. In times of strife it is the hardest to perform good actions. But, that is when they shine through all the brighter. There is not alot of media coverage in Africa but, again I believe, that heroes have performed and sacrificed in ways only heard in stories.

Let's also look at this in a different light. I assume that Satan's hand plays just as much as god's hand plays. So Satan representing Selfishness, greed, hate, etc. commits acts in only short-sightedness. He causes hundreds of millions of third-world people to be absolutely stricken with all forms of evil. God twists this action however and inspires let's say 2% of the world (120 million) to take action against this in donations and personal assistance.

We're arguing on two different levels. I assume you're a good person and while you try to hold your position I know that in some way these back-and-forths that are happening will somehow reappear in your life to better you somehow as they will me. I do enjoy talking to people like you because you don't out right denounce it or insult me for my beliefs. You just offer me examples to prove my faith that, while it will falter, will never disappear.

And I honestly do appreciate your posts. I'd respond more in depth to your posts but it's honestly a bit confusing at times when I've got a couple of folks responding to the same posts I make, but each having their own distinct set of beliefs. Don't want to start confusing where you're coming from with where the other guy's coming from and all.

Getting late where I am, actually it's been late so I think I'm going to retire soon. But I'll have to get back to you on this one, because it IS honestly an enjoyable discussion for me.

 

[Xannieros]

All in favor of slashing this guy's tires?

It's alright, he said he has a spare.

Slash his tires, means its gods will in his logic right?
I'm trying to wrap my head around what he's saying... I can't do it.

Separation of Church and State comes to mind. If you can't be a political and refrain from using your beliefs in your judgement, don't run for anything.

 

[ChocoFace]

Dorothy, fuck Kansas, we're moving out.

This guy should get a "flat tire" himself, i think. Make him eat his words!

 

[Zaik]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

I agree with this poster fully.

Also is homeboy not right? Are you not suppose to buy health insurance? Car insurance? Shit happens in this world people. You might get mugged. You might get raped. Your house may catch on fire. You could get in an autoaccident with a drunk driver and be paralyzed.

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

*coughtrollcough*

Gaiz, he can't both have a valid point AND be a troll. So, which is it? (Mostly directed at Vault101). Feel like supporting that 'troll' point? :x

I trolled circles around her in a thread called "post your controversial opinions". I posted mine just like everyone else, but apparently it was too controversial because a lot of people who weren't me came out of the thread with a severe case of the sore ass.

Apparently from now on, any time I say anything about women it is automatically trolling, even if i'm in favor of something like abortions. If that's not butthurt I don't know what is.

Trolling isnt the same as you know..actually arguing/ debating

Well, am I? I prefer to leave it ambiguous so if I fuck up I have an opt out without looking dumb as fuck.

Or do I?

 

[conflictofinterests]

I can't decide if the writer is trying to set these politicians as straw men or if said politicians are just doing it to themselves...

 

[Wilko316]

Wow ... just wow ... I've always had a very deep dark place in my heart for my hatred of rape, I've never been raped, but I think rape of any degree is the most disgusting criminal act ever.
This man, or rather, thing, is chauvanistic and nothing short of fucking sick. I hope for the sake of Kansas women that this doesn't get taken seriously by any law officials.

Crane said God "has the ability to take difficult, tragic, horrific circumstances and then turn them into wonderful examples." <<<<< This got me fuming, he has the nerve to objectify women who have been mentally and emotionally scarred as 'examples of a bad thing happening', that is just WRONG! He's using his childish and gullable religious views to make women who have been raped seem like just another statistic that we have to be careful of.

Well FUCK. THEM. The problem isn't the women who are rape victims who should be taken care of, it's the actual RAPISTS who need to be dealt with. THEY are the ones who should be made examples of so that NOBODY ELSE RAPES.

FUCK THIS GOT ME ANNOYED.

 

[bulldogftw]

I would fly over to Kansas (I live in England) just so I could slash this guy's tires.

 

[funguy2121]

(1) I had four paragraphs of angry details, but I know you'd have just ignored it because it was everything in the book except actual rape. I'll sum it up and say the only reason I wasn't is because I was bigger than her. And the other her later. And the third her afterward.

(2) Nope, never been raped. Still, I've been close enough. Maybe taking that next step up from being harassed or threatened into it into outright non-consensual encounters somehow makes it a bazillion times more traumatic, or (3)maybe I'm some sort of hardman who shrugs off mental trauma that breaks others, but I'm really not seeing it. I could see having issues for...months? Perhaps a year for really bad shit. Women string this bullshit out for 10 or 20 years after the fact, just to milk it.

Thing is, I don't believe you. No, I'm not saying I don't believe your story (no one does). I'm saying, I don't believe that you believe what you're saying here. I think you're going for that "is he really this big an asshole?" reaction. Surely you can't be this dense. But I'll go along. Let's see where this takes us.

(1) So a woman forced you to eat her out and fondled you against your will? Then she tried to force your penis, which was apparently erect, into herself, and the only reason that she failed was that you were strong enough to not fuck her, but not strong enough to not lick her? And the whole time you had a hard-on; trouble getting it up due to a lack of arousal was not a problem here. And yet somehow it was still rape. And then again, and once more, with your almost rapists two and three.

(2) Take the maybe out and you're right. Or, perhaps, as an experiment, I mean if you really want to be sure, you could rape someone, and then hold them prisoner for years on end. Then you would know for sure. Oh, you already...I see.

(3) Hey, ya know who really bitches too much about unwanted sexual advances? Children! They're so melodramatic, with their endless crying and their "Uncle Tommy touched my no-no!"

 

[kayisking]

If God (and by God you mean the Christian God)is all-good, how could something evil be his will? Regardless of your opinions on Christianity, that just isn't logical.

To quote Epicurus...

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

That kind of applies to all monotheistic religions. :x

And what I am taking from this is yet another reason for my extreme anti-theism. I hate religion in all its forms. Gods will my arse. Fucking knobjockey.

See above! Also, nice OC VG Cats avatar.

If you think about it omnipotence itself is a contradiction and can never be real. Let's try and anweser a simple question: If God is omnipotent and can do anything, can he create a stone that he cannot lift? If yes, then he is not omnipotent, since he can't lift the stone. If no, then he is not omnipotent, since he cannot create the stone.

 

[funguy2121]

I would fly over to Kansas (I live in England) just so I could slash this guy's tires.

Road Trip!

No, mods, this isn't a low-content post!

 

[Vault101]

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

I agree with this poster fully.

Also is homeboy not right? Are you not suppose to buy health insurance? Car insurance? Shit happens in this world people. You might get mugged. You might get raped. Your house may catch on fire. You could get in an autoaccident with a drunk driver and be paralyzed.

Overdramatized.

This thread, that article, and rape in general. It's all over dramatized.

I wouldn't equate it with a spare tire, but I wouldn't equate it with a mind shattering life altering experience either.

Also the whole making abortions legally implausible(the actual issue of the article, not the shock jock attention grabber) is just going to end up with a lot of self abortions again, I can't wait for the backfire. I want to never understand the train of thought that these guys follow, but unfortunately I do understand it.

*coughtrollcough*

Gaiz, he can't both have a valid point AND be a troll. So, which is it? (Mostly directed at Vault101). Feel like supporting that 'troll' point? :x

I trolled circles around her in a thread called "post your controversial opinions". I posted mine just like everyone else, but apparently it was too controversial because a lot of people who weren't me came out of the thread with a severe case of the sore ass.

Apparently from now on, any time I say anything about women it is automatically trolling, even if i'm in favor of something like abortions. If that's not butthurt I don't know what is.

Trolling isnt the same as you know..actually arguing/ debating

Well, am I? I prefer to leave it ambiguous so if I fuck up I have an opt out without looking dumb as fuck.

Or do I?

so you really cant stand the Idea of you know saying "oh..yeah I guess youre right, my bad" its the internet, no ones gonna crucify you

and does that mean you really DO think that way about women? well..sweet jesus...is all I can say

 

[conflictofinterests]

I'm sorry. But to say that the man's statements are trivializing it is a longshot.

The man says "We should plan ahead for circumstances which might be out of our control" and then goes on to say. "I have a tire in my car and insurance". Because you don't get in a car and drive any sort of distance without being prepared for a blow out, and you don't go through life without having the capacity to get back on your feet after a horrible accident.

So the idea that he's trivializing it, is simply stupid.

Now what is a problem is him saying that preparedness is important while gutting insurance mandates that permit women to have abortions and instead requiring them to purchase additional coverage for it. That IS deplorable and he should be called out on that rather than some imaginary claim that he's trivializing rape in the name of God or some such nonsense.

Wow, and just yesterday someone told me this is one of the better places to debate serious issues. Hope you train regularly in martial arts, because an attitude like that turns the possibility of you getting punched in the face into a significant likelihood. Unlike girls wearing short skirts, I think you might actually be asking for it dude. Putting a flat tire and significant physical, emotional, psychological and above all sociological trauma is the issue here, if the guy couldn't come up with a better analogy than that, he really has no conception of what rape so often is. I don't know a lot of people who's lives are shattered by a flat tire dude.

In all seriousness, do you carry a gun and a first aid kit everywhere you go on the off chance you might be assaulted by a stranger? Do you know CPR on the off chance you might watch a good friend get seriously injured? Do you have a backyard nuclear bumker in case of Russian aggression? If so, then please continue with the bizzarre lack of understanding, and please, close and lock the bunker door. While you're inside. Seriously.

That was a little hostile, but I have to agree.

People don't often prepare for assault, of which rape can be classified as a ridiculously extreme case. Health insurance covers the physical effects of assaults, but this politician is effectively saying that it should not cover pregnancy due to rape, another physical effect of a (ridiculously extreme) assault, and that women should have to pay for such insurance separately.

 

[Filiecs]

Again, going back to the parent metaphor, I don't have children, then proceed to watch as my children starve, suffer or tear each other apart. That would be considered a vile act in pretty much every corner of the world. If I bring something into existence, and they live a life of suffering, and I do NOTHING about it despite the power to change it than I am a monster.

The reason that leaving your children to fend for themselves is a vile act is because their frontal lobe has not fully developed and they do not have the complete capability to make moral and logical choices. It would not be considered vile if you were to kick a grown man that has been mooching off of you on to the street. God let man free into the world. Not a crying, baby of a man who needs to depend on him for everything, but a strong, smart, moral man with the capability to survive on his own. He then paired that man with a just as capable woman and let life run its course. He is not benevolent for letting completely capable men run their life and choose how to raise their children until the proper age.

 

[Demitri Kamoraz]

Tell that to my sister.
This disgusts me
Seriously, what is wrong with some people

He couldn't ever understand, but he could at least pretend.