Why yes I do see you point, but let me through this at you. What if I was being sarcastic?Spot1990 said:
Halo Killer Sentenced to Life
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The mental check is a good idea but it wouldn't go over too well with LaPierre and the other hard core gun nuts. I've noticed that the most vocal gun rights advocates (well... usually the most vocal of any group really) are also the most nutty. Take away those "particular individuals'" guns and they will have too much time on their hands: and any fanatic with too much time on their hands is a bad thing-one of the reasons teenagers need more rights.la-le-lu-li-lo said:
That way they can go out to clubs and pool halls with the rest of the population instead of being relegated to whatever old people feel is adequate: mostly very lame things.
Damn, I hate double standards.
well i'm pretty much a gun nut, but i'd have no problem getting a mental check.GonzoGamer said:
takes away guns from those who would give us a bad name. which would be fabulous.
you can't go to clubs and pool halls? most of the ones where i live are 18+.
and i wouldn't want 16 year olds at the club with me, no offense to anyone who's 16 or under.
and then there are bars that don't bother to ID. then again that can go terribly bad if they don't have friends to watch out for them. underage kids getting smashed at a bar = cops.
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Actually science has made it easier to kill people these days. Shoot 1 person with a gun or kill an entire city with the right wind conditions and a bit of powder.Xvito said:
Why not hunt with a handgun? Better than lugging around a rifle for days no? I too don't really see the need for a fully automatic machine gun with armor piercing bullets but unfortunately they are out there now and we can't take them back. Until we all learn how to get along those types of guns will always be there and always be needed in certain situations.
To issue was his addiction TOO the game.EMFCRACKSHOT said:
He was already emotional attached to its so its existance triggerd the responce.
Note of the article says he haddant even openned the book. His parents forbid him to play it becuase they saw his naturlly agressive behavior and fear that it might be amplified.
What I love though is that the father made no comments abotu hwo video games caused this, IT WAS THE JUDGE!!!
Without reading the 8 pages of this entirely (pardon me if this is repetitive) it occurs to me that violent video games couldn't be responsible for this because his parents wouldn't let him have any. That is what ultimatly sparked this, is it not? He wanted to play Halo (which isn't even a realistically violent game), his parents said 'no' (and honestly if they said 'no' to that then they probably said no to most games). He bought a copy, this turned into an arguement, and it got violent.
Now personally, I do not know the choreography of what went down in the house. A lot of crucial details are missing from this, including how his parents behaved in general (not letting him have Halo 3 seems fairly oppressive from where I'm sitting) and it strikes me that they guy probably had problems to begin with, and this was simply a "last straw" kind
of thing.
It seems to me that the judge is out to make a point here too.
At any rate, instead of blaming the video games, I'd think it might occur to more people that the kid probably had some pent up rage, and no way to release it. If this was one of those "no violence for our kids" households and this was an extension of that policy, then they were probably asking for it.
I mean, growing up there were parents who wouldn't let their kids play with "GI Joe" or "The Thundercats" or watch the cartoon shows. Never mind run around with squirt guns (or regular 'clicker' guns and cap guns) playing army or whatever. Video games are not the only method of focusing some of those impulses (which are actually very normal, especially for dudes, it's how we're wired) but a modern one. I'd imagine if you really investigated the
kid wasn't able to do any of that stuff... and again we don't know what the parents were like.
The whole "video game addiction" thing seems like the result of a bad lawyer who couldn't come up with a decent defense, or for whatever reason had an agenda other than defending his client. I might personally see that as part of a defense, or a fallback, but not the crux of an entire defense.
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Now personally, I do not know the choreography of what went down in the house. A lot of crucial details are missing from this, including how his parents behaved in general (not letting him have Halo 3 seems fairly oppressive from where I'm sitting) and it strikes me that they guy probably had problems to begin with, and this was simply a "last straw" kind
of thing.
It seems to me that the judge is out to make a point here too.
At any rate, instead of blaming the video games, I'd think it might occur to more people that the kid probably had some pent up rage, and no way to release it. If this was one of those "no violence for our kids" households and this was an extension of that policy, then they were probably asking for it.
I mean, growing up there were parents who wouldn't let their kids play with "GI Joe" or "The Thundercats" or watch the cartoon shows. Never mind run around with squirt guns (or regular 'clicker' guns and cap guns) playing army or whatever. Video games are not the only method of focusing some of those impulses (which are actually very normal, especially for dudes, it's how we're wired) but a modern one. I'd imagine if you really investigated the
kid wasn't able to do any of that stuff... and again we don't know what the parents were like.
The whole "video game addiction" thing seems like the result of a bad lawyer who couldn't come up with a decent defense, or for whatever reason had an agenda other than defending his client. I might personally see that as part of a defense, or a fallback, but not the crux of an entire defense.
>>>----Therumancer--->
Typical, yet another case where they refuse to accept the fact the kid was a sociopathic **** so they have to blame something else.
Don't start taking down the name of a product involved because it's there. That's like blaming the producers of Star Trek if two people had a huge argument about Star Trek and one ends up killing the other.
Yet that never happens with TV shows or movies, so what the hell, go with videogames because you can't understand them and to further your technophobic idiocy you just blame them in turn.
Don't start taking down the name of a product involved because it's there. That's like blaming the producers of Star Trek if two people had a huge argument about Star Trek and one ends up killing the other.
Yet that never happens with TV shows or movies, so what the hell, go with videogames because you can't understand them and to further your technophobic idiocy you just blame them in turn.
Can we stop using the term "sociopath?" Just because the kid did something violent doesn't make him a sociopath. He hasn't been diagnosed as one, nor is he even old enough for such a diagnosis to be made. Stop trying to sound unnecessarily intelligent by throwing around words you clearly don't know the definition to. This is not directed at you, FinalGamer, it's just irritating after reading all these posts.
@Xvito (sorry I didn't want to quote that wall o text and I can't get the hang of editing quotes without screwing them up)
I don't think you are wrong. Not in the least (with the exception of guns being great tools for hunting but a single fire 22 cal would do the job and no one needs a cannon to take down a deer). I just think you can't expect the world to create a big fire and everyone throws in thier guns. Would it be nice? Yes. Just unfortunately unrealistic in this day and age. Maybe one day all the resources needed to make gunpowder will dry up.
I don't think you are wrong. Not in the least (with the exception of guns being great tools for hunting but a single fire 22 cal would do the job and no one needs a cannon to take down a deer). I just think you can't expect the world to create a big fire and everyone throws in thier guns. Would it be nice? Yes. Just unfortunately unrealistic in this day and age. Maybe one day all the resources needed to make gunpowder will dry up.
Who's going to kill me!? So far we have the unlikely event that a stranger will do it. Even then I'm pretty sure you can talk your way out of those situations. Remember that thing? Talking? Apparently my words can be bullets.Halbyrd said:
"Ohh, you're gonna git it when dem big angry men come froo with dem guns and whatnot."
Please. Have more respect for the human race.
Oh god.ultreos2 said:
Really?
I would hate to live in your head. I look around, I see people. I'm interested in what they say. I'm interested in things they do. I love people. They're great. I'm not scared of them. I'm more affraid of a plane crashing or skidding off the road or getting cancer, none of which can be stopped by a gun.
I'd rather live in my optimisstic world where people are, you know, real and care about things, rather then be so paranoid and jaded as to think people are going to jump you every alley you walk past. I've walked down dark alleys alone at night passed groups of people, guess what? My bum is yet unraped and my chest has yet to catch a bullet.
I will never ever complain about a kid throwing a tantrum when he/she can't buy a gumball or play on the arcade at where I work, again.
That judge, and others, need to be slapped upside the head with a nerfbat for openly blaming videogames after giving a strong sentence which placed the blame squarely on the kid. Who cares that the kid is a psycho regardless of him playing games or not? Who cares that his parents kept a gun in easy access when it should have been trigger locked and in a lockbox? No...it's obviously the game's fault. I can't hold it against the kid's lawyer, it is their job to work to give the best defense, and since the kid had no defense, what was left?
And yes, someone bound and determined to kill you will find a way, but I seriously have my doubts that this kid would still be in the heat of the moment after struggling to get to a lockboxed and triggerlocked gun. He would probably resort to a kitchen knife or something to take a swing with, but by then would think the parents would be on to him and his temper tantrum and would have found a way to stop him (though I might be a bit optimistic on this.) Sooner or later its gonna dawn on this boy that he killed his mother, alienated his father, and has no hope for any decent life ahead of him besides keeping a tight grip on the soap. He will only have himself to blame, not Halo. (Again, being a bit optimistic)
That judge, and others, need to be slapped upside the head with a nerfbat for openly blaming videogames after giving a strong sentence which placed the blame squarely on the kid. Who cares that the kid is a psycho regardless of him playing games or not? Who cares that his parents kept a gun in easy access when it should have been trigger locked and in a lockbox? No...it's obviously the game's fault. I can't hold it against the kid's lawyer, it is their job to work to give the best defense, and since the kid had no defense, what was left?
And yes, someone bound and determined to kill you will find a way, but I seriously have my doubts that this kid would still be in the heat of the moment after struggling to get to a lockboxed and triggerlocked gun. He would probably resort to a kitchen knife or something to take a swing with, but by then would think the parents would be on to him and his temper tantrum and would have found a way to stop him (though I might be a bit optimistic on this.) Sooner or later its gonna dawn on this boy that he killed his mother, alienated his father, and has no hope for any decent life ahead of him besides keeping a tight grip on the soap. He will only have himself to blame, not Halo. (Again, being a bit optimistic)
Only true idiots would believe that Video Games CAUSED this. It lists one example of any motive. Could there have been more? Yes. Where there? Are you retarded? Like hell there were. I hope people will stop blaming this crap on video games first. Sure he got REALLY hacked off when they stopped him from playing Halo 3, I would as well, but no normal person would just open up and kill there parents for not allowing him to play a game. Also, the fact is this has very little do actually do with Halo. The guy could have been hacked off with not being able to play an game, and the title is completely misleading.
Do I have to bash your fucking brains in for you to understand that I disagree with your stance on gun control?Xvito said:
