Hollywood backlash against Obama over anti-piracy bill
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Actually, no, that's completely incorrect, though you are right about CNN being garbage.jdun said:
The real 'most trusted news source in America' is the Daily Show with Jon Stewart, followed closely by The Colbert Report.
Has been for years.
And Americans tend to rate FOX news' trustworthiness incredibly low, possibly because it is really really untrustworthy, what with being nothing more than a mouthpiece for Roger Ailes. Conservative Republican politicians have lately been trying to extricate themselves out from under it, what with FOX's consistent bullying of their own for bucking against the likes of Rush "Death Sentence For Drug Addicts PS I'm Hooked On OxyContin" Limbaugh.
Also because they actually gave Glenn Beck a program, and Glenn Beck is demonstrably insane.
Viewers of FOX news consistently rank among the least-informed in the county, followed very closely by the very liberal NPR's audience. Both, statistically speaking, suck at journalism.
Whereas Stewart and Colbert's audiences are the most-informed in the country.
Proven, mind you, by extensive polling and testing.
Funny ole world, innit.
(By the way, going off on rants about how people are brainwashed by liberal media outlets makes people not take you seriously, because that's a load of unwashed bollocks and everyone knows it.)
I was going to leave some compelling comment until I realized some rather strong points. Namely that this thread links to a Fox news website, talking about a Lobbyist with money, talking to a Fox spokesman, about how Obama will rue the day.
It's just a mix of Fox lies and US republican tripe.
Though I was oddly interested in the Jewish article writer talking about assassinating Obama in one of the other bits of lesser tripe.
It's just a mix of Fox lies and US republican tripe.
Though I was oddly interested in the Jewish article writer talking about assassinating Obama in one of the other bits of lesser tripe.
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To me it was less worrysome that Obama would lose to someone like Gingritich or Romney, and more like I was worried that Hollywood is finally getting its act together and is going to ramp up its aggressive actions in regards to SOPA, PIPA and the bills that are going to be just like them coming out soon.xvbones said:
Nah, Lordy, Hollywood is too heavy-handed and clumsy by half. They got way too ambitious with SOPA and PIPA and that's why it failed, they tried to grab entirely too much power with their (imo deliberately) shittily-worded bills, the backlash was inevitable.keideki said:
Basically, Wikipedia saved the internet. Reddit and Anon are endlessly patting themselves on the back for this like they did anything but circle-jerk, it was Wikipedia.
They went black for one full day and Congress immediately folded. That's it. Game over.
Wikipedia is the one thing in the internet absolutely everyone understands and apparently nobody can live without.
They will try this again, yes, absolutely, they will. However, with the shutdown of Megaupload, federal law enforcement has, in fact, actually proven that the apparatus to combat online piracy already exists. With that one act, they proved that SOPA and PIPA are thoroughly unnecessary.
(And then Anon's wild, childish revenge attacks made everything worse. If there's a backlash, it'll be about that, but hopefully it'll just end up being a couple dozen stupid kids getting arrested and nothing more)
I can't say 'this will blow over', but i can say that Wikipedia has just shown real power and influence. Congress will remember. And if they don't, they can always be reminded.
I'd suggest dropping a couple bucks into Wikipedia's donation box, by the way.
Because they saved the internet. Not you, not me, not Reddit and definitely not Anon.
Wikipedia.
The horror, the sheer pants shredding horror!Daystar Clarion said:
And I'll have to think alot harder and do research on any movie I want to see. I rarely go anyways.
Sorry for the doublepost, but i just need to say that politics has been all about money for the course of your entire lifetime.Sacman said:
And I can say this with finality, because politics has been all about money for as long as there has been such a thing as politics or money.
It's nice to assume anything else has ever been the case, but even the sincerest, kindest, most altruistic, Leslie Knope-iest politician on this entire planet still needs money to do anything at all.
One of the few websites that really does deserve all the funding it can get.xvbones said:
Back on topic though, you call Hollywood heavy handed and slow moving, so much so that SOPA and PIPA failed due to their over-reach (along with the help of the black out) but I think your not giving the MPAA enough credit. Those guys are frackin' devious. Some people claim fear of the CIA or NSA, you know tin foil hatters, but I'm more afraid of what large corporate entities like the MPAA and RIAA are doing to things like freedom of speech. While they may not be able to push a bill like SOPA or PIPA all the way through, they are the entities that are holding back the future of video and music distribution. Every time a new streaming service shuts down or its content is hampered or reduced you can almost always find the RIAA and MPAA are behind it.
This is, sadly, nothing new. They've been at this for years and years now, the lawsuits over downloaded songs from now-ancient defunct P2P programs like Napster and Limewire are both stuff of legend and old news.keideki said:
You've always known that if you're caught with pirated material, you can be sued for hilarious fortunes, but so long as you don't actually pirate anything, you also know that you have very little to fear from them.
And as they have closed down such doors as Napster, Limewire and maybe they even had a hand in Megaupload's downfall, it's kinda hard to argue that any of the above P2P venues were on anything but at best pretty shady ground.
There still remain plenty of legal means of getting your streaming entertainment that render you untouchable to the RIAA and MPAA. You pay a little fee, they get their little cut, they cannot do fuckall to you.
SOPA and PIPA were their attempt to rewrite actual internet law, they overreached, it was pretty scary - particularly when our congressmen and women basically admitted they, in 20-fucking-12, still don't come near to understanding the series of tubes that compose our beloved timesink - but just like Net Neutrality failed, so did this.
And everything shifts. Net Neutrality's downfall heralded the rise of short commercials to defray the massive cost of bandwidth over Youtube. Netflix and Hulu came along and gave us a legal, for-pay or for-commercial outlet for streaming entertainment.
SOPA and PIPA failed, and we lost Megaupload. Small price, frankly, and hard to defend, considering the sheer volume of pirated materials that passed through it.
That gap will soon be filled in. The internet abhors a vacuum, after all.
And slowly, uneasily, life goes on.
If for every Dark Knight, we have to suffer through about 10 Meet The Fockers, then they can go straight to hell. Pirated 21 million times ? That's your argument ? The fact that you kickstarted 3D all over again and also made a double release of the same film (Avatar 3D remained in my multiplex theater for more than 12 weeks) really shows how much money you knew you were gonna lose.
Plus, yeah, I did pirate the movie. Know why ? Cause I turned up to see it in cinemas anyway. That's your main source of income and there are quite a lot of people that pirate a movie after seeing it. So stop your whining, Hollywood is making more money than it should. It's really hard to care when shit like Expendables makes almost 300 million worldwide.
Plus, yeah, I did pirate the movie. Know why ? Cause I turned up to see it in cinemas anyway. That's your main source of income and there are quite a lot of people that pirate a movie after seeing it. So stop your whining, Hollywood is making more money than it should. It's really hard to care when shit like Expendables makes almost 300 million worldwide.
It is not about streaming things illegally, I am talking about the MPAA and RIAA using their money to hinder LEGAL sites like Netflix and Hulu. Who do you think puts together the coalition of studios that do their best to make streaming services like Netflix and Hulu fail. The RIAA and MPAA are both run by elderly fatcats who are so afraid of the technology they can't understand that they lash out against it. Look at a country like Japan and you can see what happens when content producers are able to get their content out to people through newer means! They have a greater variety of shows and movies that are broadcast through all sorts of media, unlike the US where the MPAA and the RIAA choke innovation out of fear. Its of course not all their fault, we can also blame the ISP companies for some of the issues with Netflix and other streaming sites.xvbones said:
"You can complain and say, well, actors make a lot of money and they don't have to worry about this," said Dodd. "You tell that to that camera guy, you tell that to that makeup artist, you tell that to that truck driver out there who made, makes a living because they work in this industry."
Avatar grossed 2.7 BILLION DOLLARS!!!
How much more could it have possibly made without piracy? And it wasn't even that good a movie. How is it a big deal if 21 million Russians, Chinese and people of other countries illegally download the movie? The piracy is highest in the markets where Hollywood have never earned much money. 21 million illegal downloads mean nothing in a world of 7 billion people.
So Hollywood is going to risk having a President Santorum because 2.7 Billion Dollars isn't enough money for a single smurf movie to make. JEEEEESUS CHRIST! The self-entitled arrogance!
I'm so happy it has been pointed out that ALREADY this group has donated more than in the entire election campaign of 2008 so if they pull out now it's honestly too late.
Avatar grossed 2.7 BILLION DOLLARS!!!
How much more could it have possibly made without piracy? And it wasn't even that good a movie. How is it a big deal if 21 million Russians, Chinese and people of other countries illegally download the movie? The piracy is highest in the markets where Hollywood have never earned much money. 21 million illegal downloads mean nothing in a world of 7 billion people.
So Hollywood is going to risk having a President Santorum because 2.7 Billion Dollars isn't enough money for a single smurf movie to make. JEEEEESUS CHRIST! The self-entitled arrogance!
I'm so happy it has been pointed out that ALREADY this group has donated more than in the entire election campaign of 2008 so if they pull out now it's honestly too late.