I am against fat acceptance

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Burningsok

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Okay... I'm just going to say, before I (hopefully) turn in for the night (now morning... damn) is that the OP comes off as... Okay. Here's the thing. I understand your point. It's aggravating for people who chose to eat six pizzas a day to then demand that someone accomodate them, rather than take responsibility for their actions. I understand that it's difficult to understand how someone can get up to a 6X shirt and not think there's a problem. I really do. I know where you're going with your argument but I still disagree because it comes off as intolerance. You don't have to accept it, but you tolerate it like you tolerate a smoker or crying infant.

I say all this because my boyfriend, at his healthiest weight, weighs 275 pounds. This was two years ago, at the peak of football season- he was working out every day, taking in a lot of protein, and was incredibly in shape. However, about a year ago he tore his meniscus (he didn't know he tore it till this past August, though), and due to the unholy amount of pain he felt had to quit the college track team he'd been on. Due to the pain (which makes it difficult for him to even walk upstairs), he was unable to continue his usual active lifestyle.

When he went to camp last summer (he's an instructor at a BSA camp for six weeks in the mountains), he weighed 330. Over the course of the summer, he lost only about ten pounds but had gained his muscle definition back. Unfortunately, nothing could be done about his meniscus (the doctor's advice was, see if the cyst in your knee goes away on its own), and once we returned here, he was back in pain (mind you, he was in pain the entire time he was at camp but the food there was... well, they didn't get enough calories for the amount of physical activity they did). As such, I'm not sure his weight now BUT we've committed to a program (together, as it helps to have a buddy and I'm female and thus hate my body) to get back to a healthier weight, and keep down his health risks.

I say all this because even if he got back down to his weight and size senior year (which... oh man, his shoulders *drool*), he'd still be twice my size and bigger than most average people. This isn't to say that every person who weighs that much (and I assure you, that's the weight he's supposed to be) got there because that's just how they are instead of sitting on the couch, playing Wii and eating cheesey-poofs, but not all people that are overweight (by your standards) are in that category, either. As such, he'd need a bigger gown in the hospital, and it's always been uncomfortable for him to sit in a standard school desk, and there's nothing he can do about it.

The reality of the situation is people in developed nations are gaining weight (Australia just beat the US as the fattest nation, so I don't want to hear it), and there will have to be accomodations that're made. Frankly, I, as a female, am saddened every day when thin models are embraced and my only solace comes from Renaissance paintings of nudes that, once upon a time, my body shape was the ideal, but that's not for here.

I dearly hope that I haven't offended you by the previous statements (the sheer length probably did it), and that you take my arguments in stride. I don't negate that their is a bit of a problem, but I also think the treatment of smokers like they were pedophilic Nazis is also a bit extreme. However, there is a comfortable middle ground that can, and should, be reached by all people.

As for the second point, "There are also extreme cases where mothers would end up with eight children before they got the gender they wanted or would abort their child because they were of the wrong gender." That's a throwback to the days of Henry VIII, minus the sheer amount of divorce because back then, they thought it was the woman's fault that males weren't born. That's all I was saying, not outright attacking your point.

Again, I hope I haven't offended you and I assure you I meant no personal attack.
I actually agree with you, He wasn't able to control his weight gain, its unfortunate. Also I agree that skinny does not always = healthy. I replied to this poll just a little bit ago and i was a little harsh, but that is towards the people who decided to be lazy and made it a choice to be that way. And really I like women with a little bit of meat on them.
 

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Forced acceptance to the point where you have to watch your mouth even if you're not trying to offend anyone is ridiculous. It's like having a "thought Police" which says "Hey, did you say something that might hurt a fat guy/woman/racial minority/homosexual person's feelings!? You are a terrible person and we are suing you for every penny you have!"

I know there are people who are fat and can't help being fat, but I know that the people who will say "hey I deserve special treatment because I'm fat" are probably the same people that are fat because they eat like crazy and move about as much as a snail on the back of a turtle.

Oh, and for the people saying "hurr durr skinny people are not health" we all know that. The question is not whether they're healthy or not, it's just that skinny people look better on magazine covers.
 

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omega 616 said:
Can somebody name me the disease that makes you fat?

I could kind of understand genetics forcing you to have a slow metabolism but a disease, really?
Metabolic "speed" is a bit of a misnomer. It's actually about efficiency (in the traditional "how much energy is lost due to heat), not "speed". The more efficient ones metabolism, the more energy is converted straight from chemical to mechanical energy, and straight back into chemical energy. Thus, those with a less efficient metabolism "lose" calories entirely outside of their control due to the inefficiency of their bodies. It's kind of interesting, since efficiency in metabolism/respiration is usually a good thing; it's only become maladaptive in recent times due to an overabundance of food. The reverse isn't really "better", just ask anyone with Grave's disease. Too much heat loss due to inefficiency of metabolism is terrible.

I mention this mostly to try to short-circuit what will be an onslaught of "nurr, there's no such thing as a slow metabolism, fatties are just lazy". As they said on Dragnet, just the facts, ma'am.

notyouraveragejoe said:
Limos said:
I think fat people are icky. I don't care if they choose to be fat. But don't expect special treatment.

If you're too fat for one seat then you'll just have to pay for two.

If we went by weight you'd have to pay for two tickets anyway.
I'm hoping this wasn't sarcastic because well I agree with the basic thought. I'd phrase it as: I dislike fat people. If they are fat because of a virus then I hope they get a "cure." But the fat people who are fat because they don't stop eating...we get to be unfair to them. We're allowed to since we keep ourselves nice and thin and they eat themselves to fat hood and demand special treatment.

Apologies for the fact that, that was especially mean on my part but I feel it.
It's an issue of what you define as "unfair". I agree we shouldn't give "special" treatment to overweight people, and if we don't want to look at them, we certainly don't have to, but are you talking about going out of your way to cause them distress? 'Cause that just sounds like a jerkass thing to do, doesn't it.

If I don't like people with tans (and I don't), I don't have to associate with them, or compliment them on their tans, but are you saying I should specifically try to make them feel bad about their tans?

And how do you define the difference between being overweight because of a virus, or lack of brown fat, or genetics, versus "didn't stop eating"? Do you have some kind of radar that distinguishes between different "types" of fat people? Before you discriminate, do you spend the time to research the eating and exercise habits of your targets? Or do you want to just admit your veneer of "I only hate the ones who do it to themselves" is bullshit?

By the by, do you include people who really do eat a "normal" amount and exercise a "normal" amount, and gain weight because everyone is different in the same category as people who eat excessively? Do you track the fat people's diets, or just assume that because they're fat, they must eat more than you do?
 

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I don't know about other people, but I'd hate to be fat

Not "beer belly" or "porky", but flabby

It just strikes me as a disgusting way to live, with flaps of skin over each other, creating chaffing areas that sweat

it's HORRIBLE

but actual fat people, I don't see that many of. They're all either "not that fat" or hiding in their houses

there's this one guy, though.

Eugh
 

TardyClock

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I think there are very few people who enjoy the experience brah...

... although I wouldn't be surpirised if there are some people who do. If he internet has taught me anything it's that everything is someone's fetish -_-
 

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Enigmers said:
Forced acceptance to the point where you have to watch your mouth even if you're not trying to offend anyone is ridiculous. It's like having a "thought Police" which says "Hey, did you say something that might hurt a fat guy/woman/racial minority/homosexual person's feelings!? You are a terrible person and we are suing you for every penny you have!"

I know there are people who are fat and can't help being fat, but I know that the people who will say "hey I deserve special treatment because I'm fat" are probably the same people that are fat because they eat like crazy and move about as much as a snail on the back of a turtle.

Oh, and for the people saying "hurr durr skinny people are not health" we all know that. The question is not whether they're healthy or not, it's just that skinny people look better on magazine covers.
When did "not being insulted" become "special treatment" in a civil society? Even the most polemical of pundits restrain themselves from actively insulting or verbally abusing their opposition. What the hell world are you living in when "don't say things to offend or hurt people" is the same as asking you to give someone "special treatment"?

No one's asking us to declare all fat people beautiful (and I do despise women calling themselves "BBW" when they're only two out of three of those words), but they are asking us to apply the same metric for "not saying stupid shit" about fat people we apply to "not say stupid shit" about black people.
 

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Gladion said:
Sir John The Net Knight said:
Isn't this how Nazi Germany got started?
You're seriously comparing the 'strategic' murder of millions with obese people being teased by some frat boys.
I have never understood, and will never understand, how people can keep mistaking magnitude for principle.

It doesn't matter if I steal one car or a million cars... Both are stealing. You can argue that one is greater than the other, and that's fine, but they're both the same action according to the same principle.

Likewise, discrimination and defamation follow the same basic principle as group-based genocide. The latter is just taken to an extreme level.

Besides, I think he said "got started", didn't he? Not "was concluded". And while I would disagree with the premise, the two events have certain aspects in common. The ethnic persecution in Germany did indeed start with discrimination and public defamation of the groups in question.

And hey, fat people are already being placed in concentration fat camps. It's not that far a stretch, really... Though I doubt the persecution of fat people will ever reach quite the same level of openness and ruthlessness as the persecution of the ethnic minorities of Germany.
 

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Fat acceptance? Go ahead, I don't care. I just won't be attracted to you.
Laws? No. That's stupid. Go away.


These are my opinions.
 

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I do understand that.
I find it sickening because these seriously fat people who choose to be that way are risking their lives & chances are, risking their children's lives by not encouraging a healthy lifestyle. I don't assume that someone is healthy because they're slim as I know it's perfectly possible to be slim & still not be healthy.

A little bit of fat is fine. Whatever. I don't care if someone is a little bit on the heavy side. It's when they physically struggle to walk or at least look physically strained by walking across the room that I really think they need to get their act together. I'm not simply saying that shouting GET THIN would ever work. I know it won't. It was simply a simplification.

There isnt enough encouragement for fat people to get thin. Whether it's scare tactics or something else, more needs to be done and treating fat people as though they are a suppressed minority is only going to make things worse. They don't deserve the same protection as someone of an ethnic minority.
What I'm trying to say is that the fat isn't the problem, you can be fat and not die of a heart attack, like me, for instance.

Fat is not indicitive of bad health and slimness is not indicative of good health.
Fat isn't the issue, it's whatever causes a person to "not be healthy" that is an issue.

Regardless, I don't think the defenders or the attackers are "in the right".
 

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Er... hard to say. I myself am working on reducing my weight, so maybe I'm not one to talk...

Also, is there really an Obesity Virus? Is this something else for me to be worried about?
 

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OP speaks the truth. I'm not saying we need to actively pursue fat people and discriminate them. I'm saying that there is no reason to defend laziness and unhealthy lifestyles. Just like there's no reason to defend drug addicts. And I don't know what part of the planet you're living on where fat people have no absolutely no control over their weight. I've never met a single fat person that always eats healthy and exercises. And I've met a looooooot of them. Is it just a coincidence that fat people just so happen to be lazy and eat fatty foods? No. They have no disease that prevents them from going for a run and eating better.
 

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I'm not a huge fan of that movement either. I don't think it's right for people to ridicule others based on their size, but there's nothing wrong with pointing out the seriously flawed life choices that a 380-pound man is making when he guzzles Slurpies. We shouldn't be mean, but we should definitely not let it go unnoticed.
 

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notyouraveragejoe said:
Limos said:
I think fat people are icky. I don't care if they choose to be fat. But don't expect special treatment.

If you're too fat for one seat then you'll just have to pay for two.

If we went by weight you'd have to pay for two tickets anyway.
I'm hoping this wasn't sarcastic because well I agree with the basic thought. I'd phrase it as: I dislike fat people. If they are fat because of a virus then I hope they get a "cure." But the fat people who are fat because they don't stop eating...we get to be unfair to them. We're allowed to since we keep ourselves nice and thin and they eat themselves to fat hood and demand special treatment.

Apologies for the fact that, that was especially mean on my part but I feel it.
Is there absolutely nothing wrong with you so you get to look down on other people? You can keep yourself "nice and thin" because of how you were raised, socio-economic level, your education, your genetics, age, gender and metabolism... You aren't doing as much as you give yourself credit for. Have some compassion. I hope you were only upset about the special legal privileges and not saying that you regularly pick on and hurt people for not being like you.

Sorry if I was mean, but as someone who struggles to keep a healthy weight, I felt that.
 

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omega 616 said:
It depends on what fights your watching, in UFC I have seen it a few times but if the other guy has any kind of ground skill (or enough stamina left) to get out of it.

I've never watched a wrestling match but I bet alot of that goes on.

I think there on the chunky side 'cos it's alot harder to move a bigger weight, so they could either go for muscle or fat, fat is easier to put on so they probably go for that.

(this is my 17th house move, it's pretty routine now, although this is the first time I will be loving by myself)
The fights I've seen have been with a fighter who favors ground-and-pound, going up against a person who is more of a striker and happens to get bested easily. Some have had skill, but little stamina left to fend off the G&P tactics.

It depends on the fight, same as UFC. Sometimes it's just a different kind of boring.

I honestly don't know, and haven't really looked into it. It might be interesting to research though, but I'm too loopy for that right now.

(I prefer living by myself, specially if it comes to moving. Less to deal with and pack up, I can't imagine do such a thing 17 times though. Five times has been more than enough for me)
 
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i don't think any form of pro obesity movement is good thing.
obviously this is about accepting not promoting obesity. but even acceptance of such, is saying its ok to be dangerously unhealthy, and with all the mixed messages people recieve nowadays, i dont think this helps.

Slightly off topic, i don't think people should be put under pressure for carrying a few extra pounds... i love my women with curves
 

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If people want to accept fat people, then how about we accept smokers, gamblers and drinkers too.
 

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Lord of Maggots said:
I find fat, ugly, and stupid people to be the worst things to plauge the earth. It's completely retarded to try and force acceptance on people when its a poorly desguised excuse for fat kids not to get there feelings hurt. you dont want to made fun of pudge-o ?... excersise, get off your ass and burn a callorie.


Also if a woman wants to choose the selection of her child Go right a head. Being a satanist and thinking of some omnipresent and all powerfull god as a bad joke, i find no problem in this... unless it ends up screwing up the child BIG TIME. but im not a scientist so what do i know about that stuff?
Dude, seriously? Is that an and statement or an or statement? Do they have to be fat, ugly and stupid? Can they be skinny, ugly and stupid? I fit under the fat, ugly and smart, but I used to be healthy, ugly and smart. Man, now we are gonna have people discriminate against us because we don't have the particular desirable traits that the media believes to be attractive?

Being fat is a choice. For me, that choice was made by my haywire thyroid. Yes, I can choose to be on medication, but that is almost worse than being fat. I can live with being fat because nobody around me really cares, but living on medication that makes it so I can't focus is beyond my ability.

Also, why are we digging up a topic from two years ago? I understand people like to use the search bar, but necro-topic isn't the best idea.
 

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Burningsok said:
How is it discriminating when its about body type not race. Anyways yeah this is stupid. I could be wrong about the discriminating part.

here is my solution or answer to this. When you see a fatass chick walking on the sidewalk. go up to her and say "Put some clothes on that are more decent." If she says "Its my right to wear these clothes i don't have to listen to you. You just hate fat people." You should reply with "yeah you DO have a right to wear those clothes go work and lose the weight. No one is holding you back, there is no excuse (unless your obese because of a disease or something) for you being fat. Your just saying that so you can have all the good stuff without working for it. Well guess what Ms.! it's life and you need to work for it. Everyone has the right to wear those kinds of clothes, but its one of those things that needs to be earned. Not only will you look better being skinny and wearing those clothes, but you will also be healthy and have more energy. Just remember to eat right and exercise. Also dont worry about gaining weight from weightlifting, you will look fine with a pound or 2 more of muscle, the muscle helps burn fat a little quicker. You dont have to be very skinny, set goals and get down to a weight that fits you. you will be happy and so will everyone else that looks at you. Its a win win situation." I do understand that some people just cant because of a disease, those people should be treated kindly regardless of their weight.
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I can't guarantee the things I would do to you if I was that chick. You don't NEED to be skinny to look good and be healthy, you're proving how much of a prejudice jackarse you are by giving that girl your pretty little lecture. You don't like something then that's your perogative but keep that opinion above to yourself unless someone asks for it. It's not a solution it's a recipe for disaster. A friend of the family died of a heart attack at 40 and he was thought to be perfectly happy and guess what? He wasn't at all overweight or obese.

Now forgive me, I'm not deliberately attempting to attack you but your post just irked me something severe.
 

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Kortney said:
If people want to accept fat people, then how about we accept smokers, gamblers and drinkers too.
They're considerably more socially accepted than fat people, especially in this generation.