I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?

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tenlong

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sramota said:
tenlong said:
sramota said:
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I'd like to see one of these whackjobs get the swineflu despite having taken the flu shot and then argue against evolving organisms....
You are saying all those who believe in god are whack jobs.You also wish harm to them. You are just as bad as a bible thumper telling all atheists they are going to hell. If you believe there is no god,that is your right. I believe in god, that is my right. Why can't you agree to disagree. We all worship something. Whether that be god ,sports,video games,movies etc. There is something you can't live without and always want to have.
I'm saying bacteria are evolving at a rate which we can study,
but, sure, go ahead and read in a WHOLE lot more into a post than that...

For someone who believe without questioning you... Wait, you just prove my point even more by assuming I'm stating things without questioning.

And for the sake of argument: No, I don't worship Anything. I hold a firm anti-material standpoint and shun any and all things that causes one to stagnate.
So, no, we don't all worship something, it's just you Dogpeople who need a pack and can't rise up to be an Alpha. Us cats.. We just shake our heads.

So you are saying that you have no hobbies at all and just stare at a wall all day. All people have hobbies that take a big chuck off their time. Sooner or later you have to do that hobby. It becomes like a itch. Unless you find a new hobby you have to do it. If people don't worship or obssess anything. How do explain people stand in lines{while in rain,snow,hail ,etc] for days to get tickets,books etc. They wouldn't do that just like it a little bit. They love it to the point of worship and/or obsession.
I have hobbies, thank you very much,
I study psychology at a university level,
I enjoy the company of good friends on a sunny summer day,
I'll gladly play a video game every now and then,
also am quite fond of the works of Terry Pratchett and from time to time Zero Punctuation,
why you can't wrap your mind around the act of enjoying life without being an, as YOU describe yourself, obseesive worshiper, but rather a free mind with expanding worlds, basking in the glory of nature's beauty and sharing a smile and all your love with those around..
I can't quite understand youre inability to comprehend texts and your rather disturbing *need* to assume far more than is stated.. It Does however explain a whole lot about you and your relation to this figment of your mind you label as God.
Fascinating and tragic.
I am just a sad person who has like 20 + different hobbies [anime,movies,
,bike riding,books,games,weightlifting,comics,internet surfing to name a few.} Plus i am going to college soon. I plus a enjoy a good talk with family and friends. But i am so narrow minded and don't try anything new. It is so sad that i enjoy my life. I need help. i have nothing to do. Plus i need to throw that reading comprehension test i aced to get into college.
 

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I can't believe some people actually think that being a Christian means limiting yourselves to so many activities. The only ones Christianity is against are the ones which are in truth, very immoral and common sense.
 

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AndyFromMonday said:
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AndyFromMonday said:
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I believe in god. The day i believe in evolution is the day i see a building gather all the materials needed to build itself and then builds itself. That is next to impossible.That is like 900 quadrillion to 1.
bio organisms can develope and evolve on their own, they're alive .. concrete isn't .. i'm sorry man but that is by far one of the worst arguments i've heard
So you are saying a building can build itself? Get me a plane ticket i like to see it. On a side note how do explain paranormal events like ghost and demons etc. My family and i seen paranormal events that science can't explain. {No we don't do drugs or are insane.]
Evolution does not deal with the origins of life, evolution deals with the way life adapted to it's enviroment. From the most simplest of cells to the most complex organisms.

How do I explain paranormal events? That can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence aka provide evidence that those paranormal events happened and then I will believe you. But out of curiosity, what were those events that you exprienced? Now again out of curiosity, did that happen at night by any chance?
Parnomal things had happened at different times of day and night. A lot this happen during my highschool years. My family lived in a haughted house. My grandma saw a kitchen raised off the stove by itself. Most of my family saw a ghost of a 11 to 13 year old girl. At first my grandma saw it and thought my little brothers {13 and 14 at the time] snuck a girl in the house.[they honestly didn't.] We ripped the house apart looking for the girl but found nothing.plus the outside doors were still locked.{only the adults had a key to the house.] My family all but me saw ghosts in that house. To this day i never saw a ghost in person. I saw signs of a ghost.

I came back from 12 hour shift at work,got some food from sonic's. I turned on the tv while i eat like i always do. Then the cable started to mess up.{You remember on old tvs where you didnt have the cable plug in it turn to static. It was like someone was pulling the cable out. My cable wire was hard to unplug. You manully had to turn the turn the wire a special way then pull it out. I lost it and started to cuss." You motherfucking ghost ***** better leave my cable alone before i beat your ghost ass!"

The cable starts going crazy. static/no static for like a minute. I cussed again "Ghost ***** why don't go up in the attic? No one is up there." A few secs later i hear heavy stomping up in the attic.{everyone else was asleep at time.] I then said "You better stop before i beat your ghost ass!" The stomping stops. I am a see to believe it kind of guy when it comes to ghosts. Lastly we didn't handy at the time. what are suppose to put cammeras all over our house to prove. Plus we were a proud family and was not going to be chased out of our house. If a ghost came to us threatening us, we would be like."Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of my house!" We was not scared in the least.
"Parnomal things had happened at different times of day and night. A lot this happen during my highschool years. My family lived in a haughted house. My grandma saw a kitchen raised off the stove by itself. Most of my family saw a ghost of a 11 to 13 year old girl. At first my grandma saw it and thought my little brothers {13 and 14 at the time] snuck a girl in the house.[they honestly didn't.] We ripped the house apart looking for the girl but found nothing.plus the outside doors were still locked.{only the adults had a key to the house.] My family all but me saw ghosts in that house. To this day i never saw a ghost in person. I saw signs of a ghost."

"Peduncular means pertaining to the peduncle, which is a neural tract running to and from the pons on the brain stem. These hallucinations usually occur in the evenings, but not during drowsiness, as in the case of hypnagogic hallucination. The subject is usually fully conscious and can interact with the hallucinatory characters for extended periods of time. As in the case of hypnagogic hallucinations, insight into the nature of the images remains intact. The false images can occur in any part of the visual field, and are rarely polymodal."

"I came back from 12 hour shift at work,got some food from sonic's. I turned on the tv while i eat like i always do. Then the cable started to mess up.{You remember on old tvs where you didnt have the cable plug in it turn to static. It was like someone was pulling the cable out. My cable wire was hard to unplug. You manully had to turn the turn the wire a special way then pull it out. I lost it and started to cuss." You motherfucking ghost ***** better leave my cable alone before i beat your ghost ass!"

You ever thinked for a second that there might have been a problem with the cable itself and not a ghost?

"The cable starts going crazy. static/no static for like a minute. I cussed again "Ghost ***** why don't go up in the attic? No one is up there." A few secs later i hear heavy stomping up in the attic.{everyone else was asleep at time.] I then said "You better stop before i beat your ghost ass!" The stomping stops. I am a see to believe it kind of guy when it comes to ghosts. Lastly we didn't handy at the time. what are suppose to put cammeras all over our house to prove. Plus we were a proud family and was not going to be chased out of our house. If a ghost came to us threatening us, we would be like."Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of my house!" We was not scared in the least"

Again, there might have been a problem with the cable and the attic disturbances might have been rats.

Shit that happened to me:
The closet's door above the kitchen ,where we keep forks and such, is not exactly "good". It always opens. Sometimes when it oppens forks fall out of it. Does that mean a ghost did it? I sure did taught so until I saw it happen right before my eyes. Changed the door and never had a problem since.

I woke up one night suddently seeing 2 pairs of red eyes staring at me. Was that a ghost? No. Was that a night terror? Yes.

When I was at school me and my friends would usually hear noises coming from the bathroom. It turned out to be a broken pipe.

When I used to go to my grandparents I used to hear noises in the attic. I taught it was a ghost too and started screaming one day at it to stop and it actually did stop. My grandfather came in the room and asked me what the fuck was I doing. I told him I was trying to scare the ghost away. 1 hour later me and him were comming down from the attic having just killed 3 rats.

I used to hear fainth voices and taught it was a ghost. When I went to the doctor about a bad cut I had at my hand and I told him about what me hearing shit. It turned out that it was a mild form of hallucination known as a disturbance.

Has a kid I used to see images form in the dark right before I fell asleep. Told the doctor about those too and apparently they are very common and are called hypnagogic hallucination.

All of these stopped by the time I was aged 17.
how do you explain that a a kitchen pan raised clean off a stove by itself. Plus how do explain that 100 plus people see the same thing but have never spoke to each other privously.
 

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My thoery on religion:

"I accept that I can't prove God definitly exists, if you accept that you can't prove God definitly doesn't exist. That's where the gift of faith comes in."
 

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tenlong said:
sramota said:
tenlong said:
sramota said:
tenlong said:
I'd like to see one of these whackjobs get the swineflu despite having taken the flu shot and then argue against evolving organisms....
You are saying all those who believe in god are whack jobs.You also wish harm to them. You are just as bad as a bible thumper telling all atheists they are going to hell. If you believe there is no god,that is your right. I believe in god, that is my right. Why can't you agree to disagree. We all worship something. Whether that be god ,sports,video games,movies etc. There is something you can't live without and always want to have.
I'm saying bacteria are evolving at a rate which we can study,
but, sure, go ahead and read in a WHOLE lot more into a post than that...

For someone who believe without questioning you... Wait, you just prove my point even more by assuming I'm stating things without questioning.

And for the sake of argument: No, I don't worship Anything. I hold a firm anti-material standpoint and shun any and all things that causes one to stagnate.
So, no, we don't all worship something, it's just you Dogpeople who need a pack and can't rise up to be an Alpha. Us cats.. We just shake our heads.

So you are saying that you have no hobbies at all and just stare at a wall all day. All people have hobbies that take a big chuck off their time. Sooner or later you have to do that hobby. It becomes like a itch. Unless you find a new hobby you have to do it. If people don't worship or obssess anything. How do explain people stand in lines{while in rain,snow,hail ,etc] for days to get tickets,books etc. They wouldn't do that just like it a little bit. They love it to the point of worship and/or obsession.
I have hobbies, thank you very much,
I study psychology at a university level,
I enjoy the company of good friends on a sunny summer day,
I'll gladly play a video game every now and then,
also am quite fond of the works of Terry Pratchett and from time to time Zero Punctuation,
why you can't wrap your mind around the act of enjoying life without being an, as YOU describe yourself, obseesive worshiper, but rather a free mind with expanding worlds, basking in the glory of nature's beauty and sharing a smile and all your love with those around..
I can't quite understand youre inability to comprehend texts and your rather disturbing *need* to assume far more than is stated.. It Does however explain a whole lot about you and your relation to this figment of your mind you label as God.
Fascinating and tragic.
I am just a sad person who has like 20 + different hobbies [anime,movies,
,bike riding,books,games,weightlifting,comics,internet surfing to name a few.} Plus i am going to college soon. I plus a enjoy a good talk with family and friends. But i am so narrow minded and don't try anything new. It is so sad that i enjoy my life. I need help. i have nothing to do. Plus i need to throw that reading comprehension test i aced to get into college.
Well I'm glad for you.
I don't know if I'd put "internet surfing" as a hobby though..?
"Essential for daily functioning at this point of mankinds evolution." is a bit closer to the truth.
If you're sad about enjoying your life (or imply that I've stated it) I'd say you might want to revise your values.

Oh, and I wouldn't "brag" about my community college reading comprehension test if I were you,
as we both know, it doesn't measure anything related to your functioning in a social setting.
Or to put it in your "aced" test's style "sarcasm is to internet forums as lack of social awareness is to:
A. Christians
B. Community College Students
C. Obsessive Worshipers
This question is worth 2 points.
 

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I believe in god. The day i believe in evolution is the day i see a building gather all the materials needed to build itself and then builds itself. That is next to impossible.That is like 900 quadrillion to 1.
Umm... you do know that only living things evolve... right? Oh, and when i get cut, I do rebuild myself
 

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Because big businesses religions demand money for costs of living such as crushed velvet chairs, and silver crosses, and porches, and boats, and pedophile insurance. They get all this from your blind faith. Every time someone asks, "Why should I believe in god?" a Bishop misses a yacht payment.

No religion will tolerate such questions, and this is why we must ask them. Belief should come from the soul, not the check book. That's why I'm leaning towards Buddhism.
Why not start your own denomination of Christianity then? That Jesus guy didn't seem to ask people to write out many checks, and he really didn't have a use for a yacht what with the whole walking on water thing.
No, but every single "mainstream" offshoot of said religion does.
 

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Because the existence of God, just like any explanation of the universe and its origins etc, is a scientific hypothesis. Therefore, it must be proven, or at least have a large amount of evidence in its favour, to make sense.

If one isn't required to prove the reasons for their faith, then why should one provide the reasons for their political views, or their stance on economics?

I would expand on this, but it's getting late and I have things to do. Maybe another time.

I also suggest that you all read The God Delusion, by the infamous and admirable Richard Dawkins, as well as Why I Am Not a Christian by Bertrand Russell.
 

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In my prior post I never said that science could explain the unexplainable. I just said that it uses logic and reason to try to explain things, versus just believing they work this way or that. It must put the mind at ease to think they have it all figured out cause someone else told them some stuff from an anceint book.
 

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Because there are two 'truths' in this world. Religion and Science. Science is provable, so everyone that believes in science comments about religion not being provable and thus being the lesser truth.

Wow, just came up with that on the spot.
Science isnt always proveable, science and religion are almost a ying-yang type realationship.

Like we know that everything is basicly atoms but we dont know why they are there and if someone created them or put them there.

What science dosnt know is religion. What religion dosnt know is science.
Thank you. And that is /thread. Most of the rest of these responses were ignorant atheists raving on about how awesome not believing is.


EDIT: Oh and the first quote is terrible, one is no less true than the other =D.
 

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Right, once we get past all the solipsist bullshit ... it's for the same reason we don't lynch a person without first airing all their dirty laundry, er, I mean, proving their guilt.
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
stabnex said:
Cheeze_Pavilion said:
stabnex said:
Because big businesses religions demand money for costs of living such as crushed velvet chairs, and silver crosses, and porches, and boats, and pedophile insurance. They get all this from your blind faith. Every time someone asks, "Why should I believe in god?" a Bishop misses a yacht payment.

No religion will tolerate such questions, and this is why we must ask them. Belief should come from the soul, not the check book. That's why I'm leaning towards Buddhism.
Why not start your own denomination of Christianity then? That Jesus guy didn't seem to ask people to write out many checks, and he really didn't have a use for a yacht what with the whole walking on water thing.
No, but every single "mainstream" offshoot of said religion does.
Why do you need to be part of a "mainstream" offshoot?
And there's that question again! :p You make a good point.

I have no damned idea. If you ask me, a good religion is one you shouldn't have to be proven, especially going to war to prove itself. Hell, Christianity has been at war with most of the world for the better portion of the last two thousand years! That's not proof of a benevolent bearded space wizard, that's proof of the human hunger for power and validation of ego.

So that's what it boils down to. Undisputed belief: pride and ego. The entire faith hinges on its own arbitrary cardinal sins.
 

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sramota said:
tenlong said:
sramota said:
tenlong said:
sramota said:
tenlong said:
I'd like to see one of these whackjobs get the swineflu despite having taken the flu shot and then argue against evolving organisms....
You are saying all those who believe in god are whack jobs.You also wish harm to them. You are just as bad as a bible thumper telling all atheists they are going to hell. If you believe there is no god,that is your right. I believe in god, that is my right. Why can't you agree to disagree. We all worship something. Whether that be god ,sports,video games,movies etc. There is something you can't live without and always want to have.
I'm saying bacteria are evolving at a rate which we can study,
but, sure, go ahead and read in a WHOLE lot more into a post than that...

For someone who believe without questioning you... Wait, you just prove my point even more by assuming I'm stating things without questioning.

And for the sake of argument: No, I don't worship Anything. I hold a firm anti-material standpoint and shun any and all things that causes one to stagnate.
So, no, we don't all worship something, it's just you Dogpeople who need a pack and can't rise up to be an Alpha. Us cats.. We just shake our heads.

So you are saying that you have no hobbies at all and just stare at a wall all day. All people have hobbies that take a big chuck off their time. Sooner or later you have to do that hobby. It becomes like a itch. Unless you find a new hobby you have to do it. If people don't worship or obssess anything. How do explain people stand in lines{while in rain,snow,hail ,etc] for days to get tickets,books etc. They wouldn't do that just like it a little bit. They love it to the point of worship and/or obsession.
I have hobbies, thank you very much,
I study psychology at a university level,
I enjoy the company of good friends on a sunny summer day,
I'll gladly play a video game every now and then,
also am quite fond of the works of Terry Pratchett and from time to time Zero Punctuation,
why you can't wrap your mind around the act of enjoying life without being an, as YOU describe yourself, obseesive worshiper, but rather a free mind with expanding worlds, basking in the glory of nature's beauty and sharing a smile and all your love with those around..
I can't quite understand youre inability to comprehend texts and your rather disturbing *need* to assume far more than is stated.. It Does however explain a whole lot about you and your relation to this figment of your mind you label as God.
Fascinating and tragic.
I am just a sad person who has like 20 + different hobbies [anime,movies,
,bike riding,books,games,weightlifting,comics,internet surfing to name a few.} Plus i am going to college soon. I plus a enjoy a good talk with family and friends. But i am so narrow minded and don't try anything new. It is so sad that i enjoy my life. I need help. i have nothing to do. Plus i need to throw that reading comprehension test i aced to get into college.
Well I'm glad for you.
I don't know if I'd put "internet surfing" as a hobby though..?
"Essential for daily functioning at this point of mankinds evolution." is a bit closer to the truth.
If you're sad about enjoying your life (or imply that I've stated it) I'd say you might want to revise your values.

Oh, and I wouldn't "brag" about my community college reading comprehension test if I were you,
as we both know, it doesn't measure anything related to your functioning in a social setting.
Or to put it in your "aced" test's style "sarcasm is to internet forums as lack of social awareness is to:
A. Christians
B. Community College Students
C. Obsessive Worshipers
This question is worth 2 points.


The reaI said something about my test because you said could understand what you said. But that went over your head. I hate about a lot of people{both people in god and does who don't.]is that believe what they believe you are narrow minded .
 

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tenlong said:
AndyFromMonday said:
tenlong said:
AndyFromMonday said:
tenlong said:
SsilverR said:
tenlong said:
I believe in god. The day i believe in evolution is the day i see a building gather all the materials needed to build itself and then builds itself. That is next to impossible.That is like 900 quadrillion to 1.
bio organisms can develope and evolve on their own, they're alive .. concrete isn't .. i'm sorry man but that is by far one of the worst arguments i've heard
So you are saying a building can build itself? Get me a plane ticket i like to see it. On a side note how do explain paranormal events like ghost and demons etc. My family and i seen paranormal events that science can't explain. {No we don't do drugs or are insane.]
Evolution does not deal with the origins of life, evolution deals with the way life adapted to it's enviroment. From the most simplest of cells to the most complex organisms.

How do I explain paranormal events? That can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence aka provide evidence that those paranormal events happened and then I will believe you. But out of curiosity, what were those events that you exprienced? Now again out of curiosity, did that happen at night by any chance?
Parnomal things had happened at different times of day and night. A lot this happen during my highschool years. My family lived in a haughted house. My grandma saw a kitchen raised off the stove by itself. Most of my family saw a ghost of a 11 to 13 year old girl. At first my grandma saw it and thought my little brothers {13 and 14 at the time] snuck a girl in the house.[they honestly didn't.] We ripped the house apart looking for the girl but found nothing.plus the outside doors were still locked.{only the adults had a key to the house.] My family all but me saw ghosts in that house. To this day i never saw a ghost in person. I saw signs of a ghost.

I came back from 12 hour shift at work,got some food from sonic's. I turned on the tv while i eat like i always do. Then the cable started to mess up.{You remember on old tvs where you didnt have the cable plug in it turn to static. It was like someone was pulling the cable out. My cable wire was hard to unplug. You manully had to turn the turn the wire a special way then pull it out. I lost it and started to cuss." You motherfucking ghost ***** better leave my cable alone before i beat your ghost ass!"

The cable starts going crazy. static/no static for like a minute. I cussed again "Ghost ***** why don't go up in the attic? No one is up there." A few secs later i hear heavy stomping up in the attic.{everyone else was asleep at time.] I then said "You better stop before i beat your ghost ass!" The stomping stops. I am a see to believe it kind of guy when it comes to ghosts. Lastly we didn't handy at the time. what are suppose to put cammeras all over our house to prove. Plus we were a proud family and was not going to be chased out of our house. If a ghost came to us threatening us, we would be like."Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of my house!" We was not scared in the least.
"Parnomal things had happened at different times of day and night. A lot this happen during my highschool years. My family lived in a haughted house. My grandma saw a kitchen raised off the stove by itself. Most of my family saw a ghost of a 11 to 13 year old girl. At first my grandma saw it and thought my little brothers {13 and 14 at the time] snuck a girl in the house.[they honestly didn't.] We ripped the house apart looking for the girl but found nothing.plus the outside doors were still locked.{only the adults had a key to the house.] My family all but me saw ghosts in that house. To this day i never saw a ghost in person. I saw signs of a ghost."

"Peduncular means pertaining to the peduncle, which is a neural tract running to and from the pons on the brain stem. These hallucinations usually occur in the evenings, but not during drowsiness, as in the case of hypnagogic hallucination. The subject is usually fully conscious and can interact with the hallucinatory characters for extended periods of time. As in the case of hypnagogic hallucinations, insight into the nature of the images remains intact. The false images can occur in any part of the visual field, and are rarely polymodal."

"I came back from 12 hour shift at work,got some food from sonic's. I turned on the tv while i eat like i always do. Then the cable started to mess up.{You remember on old tvs where you didnt have the cable plug in it turn to static. It was like someone was pulling the cable out. My cable wire was hard to unplug. You manully had to turn the turn the wire a special way then pull it out. I lost it and started to cuss." You motherfucking ghost ***** better leave my cable alone before i beat your ghost ass!"

You ever thinked for a second that there might have been a problem with the cable itself and not a ghost?

"The cable starts going crazy. static/no static for like a minute. I cussed again "Ghost ***** why don't go up in the attic? No one is up there." A few secs later i hear heavy stomping up in the attic.{everyone else was asleep at time.] I then said "You better stop before i beat your ghost ass!" The stomping stops. I am a see to believe it kind of guy when it comes to ghosts. Lastly we didn't handy at the time. what are suppose to put cammeras all over our house to prove. Plus we were a proud family and was not going to be chased out of our house. If a ghost came to us threatening us, we would be like."Shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of my house!" We was not scared in the least"

Again, there might have been a problem with the cable and the attic disturbances might have been rats.

Shit that happened to me:
The closet's door above the kitchen ,where we keep forks and such, is not exactly "good". It always opens. Sometimes when it oppens forks fall out of it. Does that mean a ghost did it? I sure did taught so until I saw it happen right before my eyes. Changed the door and never had a problem since.

I woke up one night suddently seeing 2 pairs of red eyes staring at me. Was that a ghost? No. Was that a night terror? Yes.

When I was at school me and my friends would usually hear noises coming from the bathroom. It turned out to be a broken pipe.

When I used to go to my grandparents I used to hear noises in the attic. I taught it was a ghost too and started screaming one day at it to stop and it actually did stop. My grandfather came in the room and asked me what the fuck was I doing. I told him I was trying to scare the ghost away. 1 hour later me and him were comming down from the attic having just killed 3 rats.

I used to hear fainth voices and taught it was a ghost. When I went to the doctor about a bad cut I had at my hand and I told him about what me hearing shit. It turned out that it was a mild form of hallucination known as a disturbance.

Has a kid I used to see images form in the dark right before I fell asleep. Told the doctor about those too and apparently they are very common and are called hypnagogic hallucination.

All of these stopped by the time I was aged 17.
how do you explain that a a kitchen pan raised clean off a stove by itself. Plus how do explain that 100 plus people see the same thing but have never spoke to each other privously.
Either an illusion or a hallucination.

100 people see the same thing but have never spoken to each other?...what? See what?